Mostly Saturnine
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Hello everyone,
I've been pondering on my natal chart for a while already.
There are some things which puzzle me, and therefore I ask for advice: my job is connected with both art and managing people. This often requires struggling with power issues. And my question is, where should I "put a leverage" to unblock everything (and not beat anyone in the process)? I often feel blocked by, or rather as if I were just a step, two close to the solution and unable to grasp something very important.
Well, and some propositions about my chart:
1st house stellium: Mars detriment, Saturn exalted but retrograde, Pluto retrograde... (all in Libra) This alone gives me a headache. Well, Libra should mean expression, arts, Mars & Pluto - power, and Saturn some kind of slow but steady moving towards something (but if it is exalted retrograde? got lost already!). And then there's Pallas, just one degree off Saturn.
Therefore this alone should require some kind solution. So I should look towards the opposite 7th house then? it's empty, in Aries (not counting Proserpine in conjunct with Vertex and Eris, but these don't count). OK, so I look for the ruler of Aries - Mars. but Mars is already in the 1st house, opposite Aries! So the solution to the power & lifewide maturing struggle should be in waekened power. Going in circles? How do one solve that?
And then, there's the Sun which is in Aquarius on the cusp of the 5th house (again, detrimented!). So perhaps it is artistic expression. Well, but the Sun itself (albeit conjunct with Mercury) forms a T-square with Jupiter as the left arm and Moon conjunct Chiron as the second. Therefore the solution to this should lie on the cusp of 11th house, which is in Leo. The ruler of Leo is Sun, which is the very center of the T-square... hm... another unsolvable mystery for me.
Accidentally, there's some hypothetical object opposing Sun. Nibiru, it is called. And there's both North Node and Part of Fortune in the same (10th) house, but both in Cancer.
And then there is the bucket/funnel formation, contained between the first and beginning of fifth houses, with almost conj (2 degrees in between) Moon/Chiron as singleton in 8th house in Taurus (so exalted Moon). And these are the only planet above the horizon. Even bunch of small objects, as Ceres, Pallas, Vesta, Juno, Lilith, Davida, Cybele is somewhere between my Mars and Sun. So I should somehow focus my inner energy on Moon/Chiron, but how do I do it and most importantly what happens with those two when they are, again, an arm of the T-square mentioned previously? Should the energy of the funnel be redirected through T-square, but where if so?
And then take f.e. the rulership of the first house, which is in Libra; so the ruler - Venus - I find in fourth house, in Capricorn - so detrimented, but not only so, it's also retrograde. And to top it all, the ruler of Capricorn (Saturn) is in Libra, so they have again exchanged their places and make another strong thingy in my horoscope. Oh well.
Then there's Jupiter by virtue of being the only Water sign. It seems to me it is badly aspected (opposes Moon/Chiron and squares Sun/Mercury), is it so? It has three negative aspects and only one minor positive - with Neptune.
Neptune and Uranus are at the same time only Fire and only Mutable signs. They both even are not in retrograde, nor detrimented or exalted (yay!). Neptune seems even to be not aspected badly, wow. But Uranus is completely! unaspected (not even inconjunt, semisquare or sesquiquadrate), it's only sextile to Ascendant and exact septile to Venus (but does the latter really count?). Nothing more.
I've also played with minor minor objects - even with such minor things as Interamnia, Pholus, Nessus, and even Nibiru, Bacchus and Selena the chart looks unbalanced, no objects in 9th and 12th houses, and almost none in 5th and 6th (Sun at the cusp of 5th although counts markedly, I think).
Returning to Moon/Chiron: I'm NOT trying to control others, I even resent directorial positions. I had a quite good relations with my mother. But as I've read, I would find the key to Moon-Chiron conjunction in Saturn , which is in stellium in 1st house... do you also have this impression of going in cricles and not going anywhere?
So there. Lost ten times over and unable to pick what's more important, seems that each planet is either exalted (moon, sat and perhaps merc in aquarius?), detrimented (Venus, mars), retrograde (merc, ven, sat, pluto), singleton (moon because of bucket and Jupiter because of only watery sign). Sometimes they falls in several categories, the only sooo casual planet is Neptune, and Uranus without any aspects whatsover.
Btw, chart makes me desperate: "killer instinct" (Mars & Pluto), sex affairs (Moon in Taurus in 8th just like Clinton ouch! and with Chiron also!), no luck in life (Jupiter squared and opposed), energies without solution, four planets in so-called "via combusta"... ouch, ouch, ouch.
And with Venus retrograde and detrimented AND almost unaspected Uranus should I be in arts at all?
Or perhaps I am totally delusional? (Chiron squares Sun, opposes Jupiter)
All this struggling is not really helped by my first Saturn return...
So, I do not ask for the detailed interpretation of this chart (though it would be nice). All I ask is, how do I solve the tri-aspect combo. Where do I put the leverage? How do I unblock all energies?
Many thanks for help for the solution to that eludes me. And I know it's not out of the reach.
Yours truly,
Mostly
[Thread named changed to "Chiron" at OP's request - Moderator]
I've been pondering on my natal chart for a while already.
There are some things which puzzle me, and therefore I ask for advice: my job is connected with both art and managing people. This often requires struggling with power issues. And my question is, where should I "put a leverage" to unblock everything (and not beat anyone in the process)? I often feel blocked by, or rather as if I were just a step, two close to the solution and unable to grasp something very important.
Well, and some propositions about my chart:
1st house stellium: Mars detriment, Saturn exalted but retrograde, Pluto retrograde... (all in Libra) This alone gives me a headache. Well, Libra should mean expression, arts, Mars & Pluto - power, and Saturn some kind of slow but steady moving towards something (but if it is exalted retrograde? got lost already!). And then there's Pallas, just one degree off Saturn.
Therefore this alone should require some kind solution. So I should look towards the opposite 7th house then? it's empty, in Aries (not counting Proserpine in conjunct with Vertex and Eris, but these don't count). OK, so I look for the ruler of Aries - Mars. but Mars is already in the 1st house, opposite Aries! So the solution to the power & lifewide maturing struggle should be in waekened power. Going in circles? How do one solve that?
And then, there's the Sun which is in Aquarius on the cusp of the 5th house (again, detrimented!). So perhaps it is artistic expression. Well, but the Sun itself (albeit conjunct with Mercury) forms a T-square with Jupiter as the left arm and Moon conjunct Chiron as the second. Therefore the solution to this should lie on the cusp of 11th house, which is in Leo. The ruler of Leo is Sun, which is the very center of the T-square... hm... another unsolvable mystery for me.
Accidentally, there's some hypothetical object opposing Sun. Nibiru, it is called. And there's both North Node and Part of Fortune in the same (10th) house, but both in Cancer.
And then there is the bucket/funnel formation, contained between the first and beginning of fifth houses, with almost conj (2 degrees in between) Moon/Chiron as singleton in 8th house in Taurus (so exalted Moon). And these are the only planet above the horizon. Even bunch of small objects, as Ceres, Pallas, Vesta, Juno, Lilith, Davida, Cybele is somewhere between my Mars and Sun. So I should somehow focus my inner energy on Moon/Chiron, but how do I do it and most importantly what happens with those two when they are, again, an arm of the T-square mentioned previously? Should the energy of the funnel be redirected through T-square, but where if so?
And then take f.e. the rulership of the first house, which is in Libra; so the ruler - Venus - I find in fourth house, in Capricorn - so detrimented, but not only so, it's also retrograde. And to top it all, the ruler of Capricorn (Saturn) is in Libra, so they have again exchanged their places and make another strong thingy in my horoscope. Oh well.
Then there's Jupiter by virtue of being the only Water sign. It seems to me it is badly aspected (opposes Moon/Chiron and squares Sun/Mercury), is it so? It has three negative aspects and only one minor positive - with Neptune.
Neptune and Uranus are at the same time only Fire and only Mutable signs. They both even are not in retrograde, nor detrimented or exalted (yay!). Neptune seems even to be not aspected badly, wow. But Uranus is completely! unaspected (not even inconjunt, semisquare or sesquiquadrate), it's only sextile to Ascendant and exact septile to Venus (but does the latter really count?). Nothing more.
I've also played with minor minor objects - even with such minor things as Interamnia, Pholus, Nessus, and even Nibiru, Bacchus and Selena the chart looks unbalanced, no objects in 9th and 12th houses, and almost none in 5th and 6th (Sun at the cusp of 5th although counts markedly, I think).
Returning to Moon/Chiron: I'm NOT trying to control others, I even resent directorial positions. I had a quite good relations with my mother. But as I've read, I would find the key to Moon-Chiron conjunction in Saturn , which is in stellium in 1st house... do you also have this impression of going in cricles and not going anywhere?
So there. Lost ten times over and unable to pick what's more important, seems that each planet is either exalted (moon, sat and perhaps merc in aquarius?), detrimented (Venus, mars), retrograde (merc, ven, sat, pluto), singleton (moon because of bucket and Jupiter because of only watery sign). Sometimes they falls in several categories, the only sooo casual planet is Neptune, and Uranus without any aspects whatsover.
Btw, chart makes me desperate: "killer instinct" (Mars & Pluto), sex affairs (Moon in Taurus in 8th just like Clinton ouch! and with Chiron also!), no luck in life (Jupiter squared and opposed), energies without solution, four planets in so-called "via combusta"... ouch, ouch, ouch.
And with Venus retrograde and detrimented AND almost unaspected Uranus should I be in arts at all?
Or perhaps I am totally delusional? (Chiron squares Sun, opposes Jupiter)
All this struggling is not really helped by my first Saturn return...
So, I do not ask for the detailed interpretation of this chart (though it would be nice). All I ask is, how do I solve the tri-aspect combo. Where do I put the leverage? How do I unblock all energies?
Many thanks for help for the solution to that eludes me. And I know it's not out of the reach.
Yours truly,
Mostly
[Thread named changed to "Chiron" at OP's request - Moderator]
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