Inside the true motives of Scorpio.

ardentika

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What if someone relates to you without having those placements? It would seem the forer effect is the likely cause

I relate to you. I don't have those placements at all

You always have to dig deeper. Nothing said is relevant without some deeper foundation. You'd think a Scorpionic individual would be on that wave, but it doesn't seem that that stereotype holds water
What if yours are somehow similair ?
I haven't seen your chart but I'm sure I will find something that might explain it. Well not sure 100% , I'm open to be wrong .
 

Lykanized

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What if yours are somehow similair ?
I haven't seen your chart but I'm sure I will find something that might explain it. Well not sure 100% , I'm open to be wrong .
Maybe, but I'm not an 8th house individual and my Venus is the only planet my Pluto doesn't interact with. The only possible explanation I could think of right off the bat is that my 8th house is in Aries and I am a Mars individual with Mars in my 1st house
 

ardentika

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Maybe, but I'm not an 8th house individual and my Venus is the only planet my Pluto doesn't interact with. The only possible explanation I could think of right off the bat is that my 8th house is in Aries and I am a Mars individual with Mars in my 1st house

So you bring forth 8th house in an Aries way. That makes sense. I think it's normal everyone can relate somehow because we all have Scorpio in our charts ,we all have 8rh house as well. And the rulers and their positions and aspects play a huge role. So maybe both is true . That Scorpio is too praised and yet there is some true to that cos we all have that energy, just to different extent.
 

Osamenor

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This site drives me...mad. Since asterisked words are now suspect I can't say it drives me bat----. Everyone is so sensitive
Whether asterisked words really are suspect or not depends on the context. That's not a new thing.

In this context, there was some rude back-and-forth going on, and your comment looked like more of that to me. I don't know if it actually was intended that way, because it wasn't entirely clear who you were referring to. But if I thought it was part of that repartee, others might also have interpreted it that way, and retaliated. This was a "put out the spark so the fire doesn't reignite" decision.

If you can restate it in a clearly non-attacking way, I won't delete it even if there's an asterisked word involved. And you're perfectly free to say this site drives you bat****. ;)
 

Osamenor

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But you have to use astrological asterisked words. :tongue:

Seriously, this is an astrology thread. Back to astrology only, everyone. If you want to go off topic, take it to Chat.
 

Lykanized

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So you bring forth 8th house in an Aries way. That makes sense. I think it's normal everyone can relate somehow because we all have Scorpio in our charts ,we all have 8rh house as well. And the rulers and their positions and aspects play a huge role. So maybe both is true . That Scorpio is too praised and yet there is some true to that cos we all have that energy, just to different extent.
Maybe
My Mars has hard aspects to my moon and Venus, sextile to Pluto, and easy aspects to Uranus and Neptune so it's emphasized. And my Pluto is in my Scorpio ruled 3rd house and aspect almost everything so I suppose it becomes emphasized that way
 

ardentika

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Maybe
My Mars has hard aspects to my moon and Venus, sextile to Pluto, and easy aspects to Uranus and Neptune so it's emphasized. And my Pluto is in my Scorpio ruled 3rd house and aspect almost everything so I suppose it becomes emphasized that way

I think the Scorpio energy becomes "stereotype" as you call it mostly when there are planets or axis in the sign. Also let's not forget it's not only Pluto that rules Scorpio but Mars as well, being it's lower octave.

Aries just like Scorpio can be very very pushy and dominant.
I suppose you are Virgo rising?

Generally all Pluto Scorpio generation will have that energy very prominent and emphasized. That's the point of generational planets.

Also I've noticed Scorpio in less developed people manifests as obsessive and irrational fears. Much like Virgos hipohondria, however it comes directly from fear of the unknown , the lack of ability to control it, and fear of death. That's esp true if the rising is Scorpio .

If it gets developed, it tends to produce very spiritual people who learned how to surrender into the unknown and enjoy it.
 

Lykanized

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I think the Scorpio energy becomes "stereotype" as you call it mostly when there are planets or axis in the sign. Also let's not forget it's not only Pluto that rules Scorpio but Mars as well, being it's lower octave.

Aries just like Scorpio can be very very pushy and dominant.
I suppose you are Virgo rising?

Generally all Pluto Scorpio generation will have that energy very prominent and emphasized. That's the point of generational planets.

Also I've noticed Scorpio in less developed people manifests as obsessive and irrational fears. Much like Virgos hipohondria, however it comes directly from fear of the unknown , the lack of ability to control it, and fear of death. That's esp true if the rising is Scorpio .

If it gets developed, it tends to produce very spiritual people who learned how to surrender into the unknown and enjoy it.
I'm more the type of person who's learned to surrender which I think is hard for Scorpios even tho it's the only way to move toward real evolution and transformation. It's the heavily Scorpionic individuals I've noticed being more scared but they just try very very hard to hide it, sometimes behind denial, sometimes behind cruelty, sometimes behind gaslighting. In other words, Scorpio tends to project it's deep fear, but it's there behind the most cruel of them
I actually think Scorpios tend to deny the truth and take a very very long time to reckon with it. The ones who've learned to surrender are less common since that's the evolution of Scorpio. Although I don't think that surrender necessarily leads to anything spiritual. Not in the common sense anyway. Spiritual in their personal sense which to others may still seem to be skimming the surface



I guess I'm more martian and then Plutonic than I am Scorpionic
I go first with classical rulers so I believe they're primarily Mars ruled and then Pluto ruled
 
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Lykanized

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Oh yeah, I believe Scorpio is about transformation and intimacy, but I believe these are only attained after much pain and heartache. Scorpio finds it hard to surrender and thus find liberation. It'll tend toward projection much more than it will tend toward facing the darkness within and without and thus toward transformation. Scorpio is then about not so much transformation and intimacy, but the act of surrender that is required to reach such states

It's a fixed water sign. Fixed is more practical and of course stubborn. It doesn't want to move toward that sense of liberation, that transformation. That's the very case of the Scorpio

Scorpio isn't so much about death and transformation or obsession or any of the stereotypes, it's about that journey, one on which we must all traverse

as an example my sister's heavily Scorpionic and instead of facing her fears, she would always deny things existed. I on the other hand was the one who was heavily indulged in the occult and could easily face the facts she couldn't even if at first they scared me. So I carried out what I call the Plutonic journey earlier than she did, or at least began it far earlier than she did

Her method was denial and slight gaslighting of others. it's not they who isn't seeing what is, but others who are seeing what isn't. And it'll take them much time to be able to reckon with this new understanding since they're fixed signs. Others I've met are gonna make others feel bad for what they see as the Scorpio doesn't want to see or admit to the truth the deeper part of them knows is true. Others will register in very extreme cases cruelty and abuse and it's still more of the same. It's at the core a denial of a truth they can't deal with and so they turn it outward


It's for these reasons a very very Scorpionic individual can be the most superficial person you'll ever meet
And in fact, the Scorpionic individual risks never reaching a point of truly looking fearlessly within without defense, they risk never reaching a point of surrender whereas other signs may be better able to to deal with these aspects of life Scorpio wants to deny

I suppose my argument is that Scorpio is actually less inclined to truth seeking, depth, death, occult, transformation, surrender, and the whole lot. Or if they are involved in these things, they're not finding what they're meant to find. In fact, at the base, they're less inclined to those. It's their path of growth that gets them there whereas other signs are already there because they don't have that fear or need for control. Yet unfortunately as I've observed, most people don't follow their paths of transformation the Scorpion gets stuck and dies in a state of constant and unrelenting projection
 
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Lykanized

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So the true motives of a Scorpio?
Well everything in the Scorpion is begging them to leave behind their claws and stinger, begging them for surrender, but they resist with every fibre of their being because at the core, the Scorpion is afraid. More afraid than anyone around them even if their fear externalizes and intimidates others


their motives are control of self and others until they reach a state of liberation via surrender and giving up all defense as they traverse the unknown. They seek to control because they are afraid. They seek to control because they don't want to admit that there are things they can't control
 
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Andrea_

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So much bias in this topic, so much hate :lol:

I think their motives tend to be individual rather than for a group of people, and personally I feel much more secure around people who think you can help them and will treat you as such rather than who try to take advantage of you for some obscure group benefit.

A Scorpio will be oriented towards the inner life and emotions. That in itself is where true power resides as per the rules of our Universe. DNA. If there is no individual development, there is no community development. The sooner people understand that, the better. Now, of course, there are multiple things and elements to achieve, or aspects of consciousness to deal with in one's lifetime and not everyone can afford to be self-absorbed, or have a scorpionic self-absorbed type of attitude.

I like sexuality and it is a nice thing when dealt with normally, without the xyz-pathic or obsessive/self-harming nuances, which again might characterise them (or make them refuse it).

About the Plutonic journey, it just so happens that my chart is a train line of planets/asc kinda conjuncting each other, and Pluto is on the handle (cutting planet). What happened is it first traversed my Sun Jupiter in the 12th, then asc, mars, merc and is due to pass over neptune, uranus, venus moon etc...

I'm in a continuous Pluto transit of conjunctions, all my life. I didn't necessarily want the occult, but it's been there and kept reappearing through others, through my family unfortunately or fortunately (God knows only), and my experiences, relentlessly, until I learned to deal with my fears. Hell of a journey. A lot of things to tell. I don't necessarily mind it myself anymore (I surely did when I was younger and hard to separate myself from family consciousness, school etc.), I think certain other people do mind though. It messes around with 'plans' that lack foundation. Remember and understand one thing.

The occult is alive and well in this world though unfortunately subdued. Or rather, true spirituality is. For what reason people think communicating through images on a mental level, or hearing thoughts is not real, I can' tell, but they are very, very much real, especially in relation to relatives, close friends, loved ones, animals and plants. Yet the quantity of insane people or going mad because of coming to know these is astounding as well, or misusing the sensibility/perceptiveness they've been given. Many things can be influenced or 'attracted' through thought alone, but one must be convinced of whatever they are doing for that to happen.

I'd say people are just children overall in most matters, occult or non-occult. That's my Scorpionic way of presenting things. Those who think we are the pinnacle of evolution are sadly mistaken, though we are in a nicer spot than some of our ancestors indeed. I always hated these ways of comparing things, using 'time' or number as an excuse rather than quality.

I love life and nature, but I believe people do not thread carefully at all, and destroy at all costs, for some reasons and hatred or fear unknown to me. What happens with these people I can't tell either... but what they help create is surely a void.
 
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Lykanized

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Just an fyi, none of what I wrote was hate. It was honest observations of all the Scorpionic individuals in my life and who I've met


Every sign gets some unsavory reviews. Scorpios should be able to put up with it too
 

Lykanized

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I'm also so puzzled as to why Scorpio is the one sign where people don't want to look beyond the stereotypes. Many people are involved with the occult these days. Most people are heavily sexual beings. Everyone goes through heavy transformations in life unless they're unlucky. Many people are spiritual. Many people are 'dark'

I always try so hard to look deeper and untether the stereotypes, but Scorpio is the one where everyone just wants to hold onto them since their stereotypes tend to be less unsavory

that's the bias-- the irony I've already noted is that a stereotype of Scorpio is to want to dig deep and deep and deep, but stereotypes run along the surface. Should be a little clue there that something's amiss


But asked, what are the motives of the Scorpio? We're not talking about people, we're talking about the sign and the motives involve fear and projection of that fear as it wants to do anything but face that fear.
 
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Andrea_

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But asked, what are the motives of the Scorpio? We're not talking about people, we're talking about the sign and the motives involve fear and projection of that fear as it wants to do anything but face that fear.

That last bit made me wonder if it isn't the tendency to identify with your problems (or Scorpios identifying with them rather than treating it as a transformative journey) or fears and inability to see your higher self or separate it from the mundane happenings that sometimes go bad against your will. I use 'your' but i mean generally.

Maybe it is easier for me to tell such since in my case it's the Pluto transit whereas my identity (sun-jup in the 12th) has a different color to it. Even I get put down by my own experiences quite a bit and observing certain people reminds me to go back to being myself and that others have experienced worse.

Today's society is having problems dealing with young people who identify with their problems and apparently you're either 'racist', if you try to tell them otherwise, or 'you're judging them'. Blocking those people who can really help others with advice (which sometimes needs to be direct and clear) is the worst a society can do. A form of self-regulated socialist political correctness.
 
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