Does Hillary Clinton have multiple sclerosis?

JUPITERASC · Aug 10, 2016

A bombshell study released by Stanford University
confirms evidence of election fraud during the 2016 Democratic Party primaries

According to a paper released this week entitled,
“Are we witnessing a dishonest election?,”
a state comparison based on the voting procedures used during the election reveals endemic election fraud within the system.

Given the stakes in the outcome of the American presidential elections,
ensuring the integrity of the electoral process is of the utmost importance.

Are the results we are witnessing in the 2016 primary elections trustworthy?

ElenaJ · Aug 10, 2016

Well this explains why they are all helping her up the stairs in the February video. Interesting explanation about the ice on the steps. The lady behind Hillary, wearing 6 inch heels, has no one helping her and she isn't even holding on to the banister. Hmmm.
At any rate, I was still hoping for more astrological analysis than youtube videos or cartoons, fun as they might be.

JUPITERASC · Aug 10, 2016

ElenaJ said:
Well this explains why they are all helping her up the stairs in the February video.

Interesting explanation about the ice on the steps.
The lady behind Hillary, wearing 6 inch heels,
has no one helping her
and
she isn't even holding on to the banister.

Hmmm.

Good point - we can see that Hillary requires strong support from multiple individuals
yet the lady behind Hillary is walking easily up the same steps in February 2016
without holding onto the bannister & in high stiletto heels
and with no assistance
curiouser and curiouser indeed :smile:

JUPITERASC · Aug 10, 2016

ElenaJ said:
At any rate, I was still hoping for more astrological analysis
than youtube videos or cartoons, fun as they might be.

The fact is that there is no reliable time of birth for Hillary Clinton
therefore astrological analysis based on horoscopic natal chart is simply speculation
and astrologers are working on charts that they rectified themselves
and obviously
these charts are all different

Kitchy · Aug 10, 2016

Maybe Putin poisoned her after she bailed on something important.

Harry Reid and Hillary both got popped in the eye by somebody - though we were told they were just 'domestic incidents'.

If anyone ever wants to study two birds of a feather - they might look into Harry Reid - patriarch of Nevada politics in DC and Hillary. They are both so much alike it's awe inspiring. Teflon Don's.

Word on the mean streets of Nevada is that Harry Reid's drunk brother got into a square-up with Harry and a left hook to the eye and right jab to the ribs knocked him out and out of office.

If Hillary didn't get 'knocked out' by Putin then it was someone in her family who wants to do her in while taking over America. She's actually an easy mark when you look at her history.

M.S. = multiple scenarios in this case.

waybread · Aug 10, 2016

theV said:
They don't, but they must have a personal planet in contact an important point or planet in Isreal chart. In case of Hillary, she has the Sun conjunct Dsc, makes her fascinated with it and builds cooperation there. For another, it could be Isreal Sun conjunct the Moon, person feels they have roots there or something. Isreal Sun conjunct DSC is not the only indicator to determine the fascination or the support to the country, but in case of Hillary it is.

Rectification is truly the scientific/mathematical/logical method. However, sometimes we can examine person's life, make hypotheses and investigate them. Another way to be sure of person's birth time is by examining the connection in his life. It happened Bill has his moon in Taurus in Hillary's Dsc. and not mention of of US harmonic sun is in 23 DEGREE taurus conjunct Hillary's sun. Astrologer also uses their intuition, their psychic beacon to reveal truth as it seems illogical not based on facts or calculation I trust my guts and intuition.

6th house has always been the house that is concerned with person's physical health, whereas the 12th house is concerned with the mental state.

This isn't the way most astrologers would rectify charts. Or engage mundane and natal astrology. And why focus on Israel? Donald Trump has a particular connection with Scotland and his birth time is known. That might be one place to start.

Rectification generally involves timing events in the person's life: the more solid, timed events the better. Once you've derived a working chart, you can then go back and check it against additional known timed events.

Mundane astrological houses and planets are comparable to natal chart planets and houses, but on a larger scale. Here is a primer:

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/ingresses.html

It is fairly common to consider a political leader's chart as a mundane chart, but it still follows these rules.

Then the 6th house in an individual's chart indicates illness/health only in a general way. You really have to get specific in tracking down a particular type of illness, surgery, or injury. Otherwise it's like taking bulldozer to the task of weeding the flower bed. "Health" is simply too general a category to track a degerative nervous disorder or broken elbow.

In astrology there is a way things work. If you wish to make up your own rules, you need to have a lot of evidence to support them.

JUPITERASC · Aug 10, 2016

waybread said:
This isn't the way most astrologers would rectify charts. Or engage mundane and natal astrology. And why focus on Israel? Donald Trump has a particular connection with Scotland and his birth time is known. That might be one place to start.

Rectification generally involves timing events in the person's life: the more solid, timed events the better. Once you've derived a working chart, you can then go back and check it against additional known timed events.

RECTIFICATION TIPS thread with discussion at http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51626

waybread said:
Mundane astrological houses and planets are comparable to natal chart planets and houses, but on a larger scale. Here is a primer:

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/ingresses.html

It is fairly common to consider a political leader's chart as a mundane chart, but it still follows these rules.

Then the 6th house in an individual's chart indicates illness/health only in a general way. You really have to get specific in tracking down a particular type of illness, surgery, or injury. Otherwise it's like taking bulldozer to the task of weeding the flower bed. "Health" is simply too general a category to track a degerative nervous disorder or broken elbow.

In astrology there is a way things work.
If you wish to make up your own rules,
you need to have a lot of evidence to support them.

On our forum members make up rules continually, in fact we have a board for that very purpose
dedicated to RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=91
for
'.....cooperative formulation and testing of new ideas
re-examination of known methods of delineation and interpretation
and the exploration of new astrological methods of all kinds....'

JUPITERASC · Aug 10, 2016

waybread said:
I suppose it's not essential to stick to the OP, but just a reminder.

1. There is no evidence in either Clinton's health records or her horoscope that she suffers from MS.

There is no reliable horoscope for Hillary Clinton as all are based on speculative rectified times of birth
and unsurprisingly Hillary Clintons medical records are not a matter of public knowledge

waybread said:
2. Her 2009 broken elbow is easily explained by transits conducive to sudden accidents. (See my post from yesterday.)

3. Franklin Delano Roosevelt got the US through the Great Depression and most of WW II despite having serious health problems caused by polio.

4. Clinton's health scares are promoted by right-wing(nut) bloggers, aka Hillary Haters. They are not based on any medical diagnoses.

5. Sensible patients and doctors noting debilitating side effects from medications will normally change the medication or the dosage, or closely monitor the side effects. Big duh-uh here. Blood clots, if they form, need treatment-- and are treatable.

6. Nobody here has presented a serious astrological analysis purporting to show Clinton's health. A picture of her being helped up a set of icy stairs is not evidence of serious health problems. Posting the picture more frequently does not equate to additional evidence.

7. If you don't accept any of the commonly adopted rectification times for Clinton, that's fine. You can do medical astrology looking at planetary aspects and signs. Just recognize that the moon changed signs later at night on Clinton's birthday. The rest of the planets will sustain their aspect and sign relationships, notwithstanding.

8. These political threads on the 2016 election generally devolve into the same people posting the same Hillary-hating right-wing boiler plate. Which is why I stop responding to most of them.

If anyone is interested in a serious discussion of Clinton's health based on actual (vs. "let's pretend") astrology, let me know.

Hillary Clintons health has been a matter of concern for almost two decades
nothing to do with this particular election
and no one is forcing anyone to participate on this thread
if they disapprove of it
clearly
those who do wish to discuss Hillary Clintons health issues on this thread are not precluded from doing so

waybread · Aug 10, 2016

More boilerplate, JA?

How would you read Clinton's chart for health issues? Or would you simply respond that nobody is required to read charts here? No, nobody is so required. But some people try to put their money where their mouths are, rather than simply posting the same tired Hillary hating devoid of astrological content that they glean from Youtube.

I had so hoped that this would be an astrological thread.

JUPITERASC · Aug 10, 2016

waybread said:
Incidentally, asteroid Hillary conjuncts Bill Clinton's moon.

Incidentally, asteroid Hillary is arguably conjunct millions of peoples moons
and none are married to Bill Clinton - except Hillary - unless bigamy is involved :smile:

FOX NEWS MEDICAL TEAM UPDATE ON
WHAT DO HILLARY CLINTONS MEDICAL RECORDS SHOW http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/08/08/fox_news_medical_team_what_do_hillary_clintons_neurological_records_show.html

waybread · Aug 10, 2016

I just Googled Hillary Clinton's health, and the only sites with anything to say about it are (surprise, surprise) Hillary hater sites, like Fox News, Breitbart, and WND. And these are among the saner of the bunch. In fact, most of the right wing sites are more fussed about Clinton's emails than they are about her (apparently) immanent demise from MS, brain cancer, HIV-AIDS, blood clots, blood thinners, or what-have-you.

These people are getting desperate.

Google Hillary Clinton's health and pretty soon you find sites talking about her proposed health care plans. Sounds much more promising to rational people.

katydid · Aug 10, 2016

waybread said:
I just Googled Hillary Clinton's health, and the only sites with anything to say about it are (surprise, surprise) Hillary hater sites, like Fox News, Breitbart, and WND. And these are among the saner of the bunch. In fact, most of the right wing sites are more fussed about Clinton's emails than they are about her (apparently) immanent demise from MS, brain cancer, HIV-AIDS, blood clots, blood thinners, or what-have-you.

These people are getting desperate.

Google Hillary Clinton's health and pretty soon you find sites talking about her proposed health care plans. Sounds much more promising to rational people.

Speaking of Hilary's emails:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/09/politics/hillary-clinton-emails-judicial-watch/

Newly released Clinton emails shed light on relationship between State Dept. and Clinton Foundation

Washington (CNN)Newly released emails from Hillary Clinton's tenure as secretary of state raise questions about the nature of the department's relationship with the Clinton Foundation.

Judicial Watch, a conservative watchdog group, released 296 pages of emails from the Democratic presidential nominee, including 44 that Judicial Watch says were not previously handed over to the State Department by Clinton. The emails, many of which are heavily redacted, raise questions about the Clinton Foundation's influence on the State Department and its relations during her tenure....

"No wonder Hillary Clinton and Huma Abedin hid emails from the American people, the courts and Congress," he said in a press release. "They show the Clinton Foundation, Clinton donors, and operatives worked with Hillary Clinton in potential violation of the law."
===============================================

So what do you think about these hidden emails, in which contacts from the Clinton Foundation wealthy donors reach out to Hilary for special favors? Does that bother you?

I love the excuse put forth by the Clinton campaign:

"Clinton's campaign said the emails didn't relate to her work at the Clinton Foundation....

"Neither of these emails involve the secretary or relate to the Foundation's work," said an emailed statement from Clinton campaign spokesman Josh Schwerin. "They are communications between her aides and the President's personal aide, and indeed the recommendation was for one of the Secretary's former staffers who was not employed by the Foundation."

So they pretend that these emails have nothing to do with Hilary, even though they were sent to her top aide, from a wealthy donor form the Clinton foundation, and they even discuss the amount of money he donated.. . Of course they have to do with Hilary. He was reaching out to her for a favor.

waybread · Aug 10, 2016

and the relationship to whether Clinton has MS is....... ??

Let it go, Katydid. Trump isn't going to bring back your old LA. He's currently imploding.

ElenaJ · Aug 11, 2016

Yes and no. Yes these discussions should be based more on astrology and not just gossip, no, anyone inquiring about Hillary's health is not necessarily in a right-wing conspiracy. Here is a link to an analysis about her birth time. Apparently the two most likely times are either 8pm or 8am.
http://www.patrickwatsonastrologer.com/2015/07/23/hillary-clintons-real-birth-time/
One places her sun on the ascendent, therefore scorpio rising, the other gemini.

JUPITERASC · Aug 11, 2016

ElenaJ said:
Yes and no.
Yes these discussions should be based more on astrology

Not on this particular board
because this thread is posted on CHAT board

QUOTE FROM FORUM RULES FOR THIS BOARD
'....For posts that don't have to do with astrological chart interpretation,
but they're still important to you.
Gossip,
show off, hot topic, spiritual thoughts, Sun sign astrological discussions,
chit chat: come in and share!....'

ElenaJ said:
and not just gossip,

as the rules for this thread clearly state:
this board is specifically FOR "Gossip"
as well as "chit chat"
that DOES NOT HAVE TO DO WITH ASTROLOGICAL CHART INTERPRETATION

those are the rules of our forum

JUPITERASC · Aug 11, 2016

ElenaJ said:
no, anyone inquiring about Hillary's health is not necessarily in a right-wing conspiracy.

Particularly when there is clear video as well as photographic evidence
of a repeating pattern of health issues being exhibited by a presidential candidate

The photo above from an event Hillary held in February 2016
illustrates Hillary is the only person experiencing obvious difficultly
on a few steps while others are walking easily up the same few steps
a woman is even having no problems when in high stiletto heels
and she is literally behind Hillary on the same few steps

another photo the same day shows two largish objects
outlined clearly under Hillarys coat

maybe it's just a battery pack to pre-empt Hillary short-circuiting :smile:

WASHINGTON POST - One of the most unintentionally revealing moments of Hillary Clinton’s campaign so far
came during her recent, unconvincing explanation of the email affair:
“I may have short-circuited it and for that I, ah, you know, will try to clarify.”
Most of the resulting ridicule has focused on the “short-circuited” portion of the statement,
which seems a particularly gentle euphemism for prevarication.
But it is the latter portion of her quote that exposes a serious political disability:
an ingrained, almost automatic recourse to guile https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/hillary-clintons-short-circuited-apology/2016/08/08/6046563c-5d8b-11e6-9d2f-b1a3564181a1_story.html?utm_term=.07a3ef119ad5

JUPITERASC · Aug 11, 2016

ElenaJ said:
Here is a link to an analysis about her birth time.

Apparently the two most likely times are either 8pm or 8am.
http://www.patrickwatsonastrologer.com/2015/07/23/hillary-clintons-real-birth-time/
One places her sun on the ascendent, therefore scorpio rising, the other gemini.

These birth times are twelve hours apart
yet each has their adherents :smile:

ElenaJ · Aug 11, 2016

Thanks for pointing out the chat rules, I wasn't aware of that….

JUPITERASC · Aug 11, 2016

ElenaJ said:
Thanks for pointing out the chat rules,

I wasn't aware of that….

That's ok - the Chat forum IS SPECIFICALLY the place FOR forum gossip and chit chat
yet
one member continually attempts to derail the thread with suggestions that somehow Hillary Clinton is sacrosanct
the member makes it more than clear that anyone raising Hillarys obvious health issues
is "a vast right-wing conspiracy Hillary Hater"
and that is ridiculous
Trump is clearly in better physical health than Hillary
even Bernie Sanders is showing better physical health than Hillary
and the fact is
Hillary is 69 years of age in just two months time
so it's not so surprising that
given various falls on steps and stairs
as well as Hilarys doctors stating publicly that
she is on medication for a blood clot sustained after concussion following a previous fall
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-...r-seizure-allegations-raise-doubts-about-her-
AND
that medication has serious side-effects including confusion
so obviously Hillarys clear health issues are a major concern
keep in mind that past presidents have exhibited health issues AFTER being elected
so voters are wise to the possibility

JUPITERASC · Aug 11, 2016

We saw this first “doctor” during Hillary’s recent freeze-up.
As the following captures show
Hillary’s handler appears always ready to reassure Hillary
moving Secret Service Agents out of the way, urging her to "keep talking".
Further adding to the mystery the so called "handler" appears to carry a Diazepam pen

here’s a picture of Hillary’s handler before he joined Secret Service.
He’s in casual attire

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