This is scary

conspiracy theorist

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I've been kicking around the amorphous intuition that corporations are going to usurp nation states as the primary means of organizing society. Just a feeling. The monopsonic Amazon showing one way to undermine a country.
 

Blaze

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I'm so glad our Amazon overlords will decide what we can't read. The glorious Aquarian Age is near. All hail Saturn.


Wait is hailing Saturn offensive? Sh!t.
 

Oddity

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When corporations become - arms of the state - isn't that a hallmark of fascism?



Or are our new overlords doing this for our own good?


Or both?
 

Blaze

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Once upon a time, I happened to ask a highly emotional man a question. It went like: How would a society, bias of its own, recognize it was practicing fascism with a facelift?

He told me it would be obvious and that we would never do such a thing. In this same discussion, he then said people who refused to take the corona vaccine should be locked away in camps for breaking the "New Normal."

Anecdotal though that is, it was enough for me to understand.
 

Cary2

Banned
War has begun. You have been fired upon. How will you respond? They know that you do not yet know how much power you have. If you will, you can destroy such entities. They know the real magnitude of the vote for Trump. Such threatening entities can be eliminated easily.

Treat upstart corporations as invading hordes of barbarians. Send the troops. Crush the moorings. These entities are evil and there is no doubt now. Kick the Left out of the way and wield the power of the people.

Remember what affronts these upstart corporations have advanced. Write your Congressperson and demand such affronts are illegal. Demand that threatening corporations be treated as enemy combatants.

That is what it will take, but it can be done.
 

Oddity

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My MP is a Marxist, so no luck there.



I'm thinking that even those of you in the US aren't going to find writing to Congressional representatives to do much of ... anything. But possibly I'm too pessimistic.



War has begun. You have been fired upon. How will you respond? They know that you do not yet know how much power you have. If you will, you can destroy such entities. They know the real magnitude of the vote for Trump. Such threatening entities can be eliminated easily.

Treat upstart corporations as invading hordes of barbarians. Send the troops. Crush the moorings. These entities are evil and there is no doubt now. Kick the Left out of the way and wield the power of the people.

Remember what affronts these upstart corporations have advanced. Write your Congressperson and demand such affronts are illegal. Demand that threatening corporations be treated as enemy combatants.

That is what it will take, but it can be done.
 

waybread

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Oddity, I think you're behind the times.

1. Books are disappearing as a major means of communication. This is true of paper print media in general. Hello Internet, social media, and YouTube.

2. Multi-national and trans-national corporations superseded old loyalties to nation states for a couple of decades now. A major corporation draws upon an international pool of talent, has multiple international subsidiaries, and can base its headquarters location on low tax rates, profit shelters, or amenities for senior management. Manufacturing usually takes place where wages are cheapest.

This is basic economics.

3. Are you familiar with the writings of Antonio Gramsci (1891-1937) on hegemony?

"Gramsci is best known for his theory of cultural hegemony, which describes how the state and ruling capitalist class – the bourgeoisie – use cultural institutions to maintain power in capitalist societies. The bourgeoisie, in Gramsci's view, develops a hegemonic culture using ideology rather than violence, economic force, or coercion. Hegemonic culture propagates its own values and norms so that they become the "common sense" values of all and thus maintain the status quo. Cultural hegemony is therefore used to maintain consent to the capitalist order, rather than the use of force to maintain order. This cultural hegemony is produced and reproduced by the dominant class through the institutions that form the superstructure."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Gramsci

There's nothing new here.
 
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waybread

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War has begun. You have been fired upon. How will you respond? They know that you do not yet know how much power you have. If you will, you can destroy such entities. They know the real magnitude of the vote for Trump. Such threatening entities can be eliminated easily.

Treat upstart corporations as invading hordes of barbarians. Send the troops. Crush the moorings. These entities are evil and there is no doubt now. Kick the Left out of the way and wield the power of the people.

Remember what affronts these upstart corporations have advanced. Write your Congressperson and demand such affronts are illegal. Demand that threatening corporations be treated as enemy combatants.

That is what it will take, but it can be done.

Cary2, I love it that you're talking like a Marxist.

Workers of the world, unite! You have nothing to lose but your chains!

Yeh, who needs those bleeding-heart liberals, anyway; when Karl Marx expressed your anti-capitalist views first and best.

But I warn you: the ruling class will protect its interests. :devil:
 

Oddity

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I know Gramsci.


But I say - huh?


Amazon isn't selling books (even e-books) that they find offensive (read: conservative). And that's okay because they're nearly the only game in town, which means that a publisher isn't going to take a chance on a book because if Amazon won't sell it it's not worth it?


I get that monopolies are more acceptable in the US since Microsoft sponsored a whole lot of law conferences in the US saying it was, but this isn't right.


I didn't realise you were anti-book. But hey, we all have our quirks.



Oddity, I think you're behind the times.

1. Books are disappearing as a major means of communication. This is true of paper print media in general. Hello Internet, social media, and YouTube.

2. Multi-national and trans-national corporations superseded old loyalties to nation states for a couple of decades now. A major corporation draws upon an international pool of talent, has multiple international subsidiaries, and can base its headquarters location on low tax rates, profit shelters, or amenities for senior management. Manufacturing usually takes place where wages are cheapest.

This is basic economics.

3. Are you familiar with the writings of Antonio Gramsci (1891-1937) on hegemony?

"Gramsci is best known for his theory of cultural hegemony, which describes how the state and ruling capitalist class – the bourgeoisie – use cultural institutions to maintain power in capitalist societies. The bourgeoisie, in Gramsci's view, develops a hegemonic culture using ideology rather than violence, economic force, or coercion. Hegemonic culture propagates its own values and norms so that they become the "common sense" values of all and thus maintain the status quo. Cultural hegemony is therefore used to maintain consent to the capitalist order, rather than the use of force to maintain order. This cultural hegemony is produced and reproduced by the dominant class through the institutions that form the superstructure."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Gramsci

There's nothing new here.
 
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conspiracy theorist

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Actually, there's a lot of young and not so young YouTubers who recommend people to read books on the topics that they cover on their channels. Especially the self-help guru types. Proof on request. Books aren't going anywhere.
 

david starling

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I'm so glad our Amazon overlords will decide what we can't read. The glorious Aquarian Age is near. All hail Saturn.


Wait is hailing Saturn offensive? Sh!t.


All hail the Uranian rulership to come. The Age of Aquarius has yet to change the past and still current, might-makes-right paradigm.

Saturn is still Age-ruler of this amazing yet tragic Age of tropical Capricorn.

Zoller was perplexed that a Jupiter-ruled Age of Pisces would be so ambitious, combative, and destructive. The tropical Ages explain why--not Pisces the Fishes, but Capricorn, the Goatfish. Not Jupiter or Neptune as foreground Age-ruler, but Malefic Saturn, sole ruler of this foreground tropical Age of Capricorn.

And, Saturn's not giving up without a fight. THAT'S what's scary!
 
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david starling

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[Attempt to convince.....]

All right, if an indicator of any kind, be it planetary longitude, or measured points like the Angles or Nodes, etc., does not change positions along the Zodiac, then it doesn't act on the Chart.

The indicator currently and originally used by nearly everyone to determine the Age-sign, is the measured point known as the Vernal Point (VP), which slooowly transits retrograde through a sidereal Chart, due to Earth's "wobble" as it rotates. So, sidereal astrology does have a way to track what degree of what Age-sign is currently imparting qualities to Earth's Age, and what its ruling planet is.

However, the VP does not transit a tropical Chart, because it's already occupied with anchoring tropical Aries--it permanently locates 0 degrees Aries, also known as the First Point of Aries.

Which apparently leaves tropical astrology without a way to determine its own Age-sign.

And, followup question: Is there ANY reason you can think of as to why tropical astrology shouldn't have a way to determine its own Ages, Ages that do impact a tropical Chart?


[Attempt to convince made....]
 
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Cary2

Banned
Cary2, I love it that you're talking like a Marxist.

Workers of the world, unite! You have nothing to lose but your chains!

Yeh, who needs those bleeding-heart liberals, anyway; when Karl Marx expressed your anti-capitalist views first and best.

But I warn you: the ruling class will protect its interests. :devil:


Wrong. I say, Voters unite. The American Constitution was founded on government for the people and by the people. It is older than Marx. You see Marx because of your impairment. We are in a rut caused by the current crop of authoritarian Marxists in Washington who are depriving the people the power that the constitution promises.

Even corporations today can advance Marxist ploys as we see with the current crop of Silicon Valley monoliths. I do not believe for a moment that they are idealistic corporations. They serve their own agenda in mysterious ways that is not in the public interests.

In your list mind, you have parked me there on your list titled, "Capitalist", because you assume yourself so far above any capitalist, and your crystallized thought suggests "will always support corporations no matter how evil" or "will always support corporations no matter how they back an authoritarian government". Your logic has failed you because it is really a collection of lists in your mind.

Republicans and Democrats and capitalists and socialists are not really categories that matter much if evil abounds in the halls of government. Such things are for list minds and reciters.
 
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