waybread
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Let's do a fact-check. Please refer back to my previous posts. I don't think you actually read my links, although I live in hope.
Wrong. Most participants were peaceful.
Correct. In fact most of them were peaceful.
Three Pinocchios. This is the "what we believe" section from the "official" Black Lives Matter website. https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/ There is nothing about Marxism in it or elsewhere on their website.
Individual leaders apparently expressed Marxist beliefs in 2015. The platforms of individual chapters may vary.
I think it is fair to call the parent organization's platform radical-- but then radical compared to what?
The First Amendment guarantees Americans' freedom of expression, even when you dislike that expression. Frankly a lot of American university professors in the social sciences and history professed Marxism in the 1970s and 80s. Somehow the nation survived them. And where are they today?
I hope you will read up on McCarthyism in the USA. The country sort of lost its taste for political witch hunts at that point.
Moreover, as you well know, Dirius, the Black Lives Matter movement is far bigger than the trade-marked organization. Regardless of the central organization's claims, they don't control the far larger movement. Many Americans support the principle of Justice For All without agreeing with the need to overthrow capitalism or some such.
False. I also couldn't find this statement on the "official" website. But of course, there is also an argument to be made against the systemic violence that many African Americans have experienced.
Most people would argue that a police officer handcuffing a man and then kneeling on his neck for 9 minutes until he died is a form of violence. Are you familiar with the concept of "structural violence"? What about the shooting of Breonna Taylor by police as she lay in bed-- when they got the wrong house?
Correct. Maybe today's "political landscape" is unjust for minorities and deserves to be fixed.
Umm, no. You have more false statements than correct ones.
Maybe you deserve a prize for your use of Straw Man debate fallacies, though.
The entire argument over this thread can be reduced to something very simple:
- A large portion of the people who participated in the demostrations, where violent rioters.
Wrong. Most participants were peaceful.
- Not all of the people who took part in the protests were violent though.
Correct. In fact most of them were peaceful.
- BLM is a marxists movement. They say so in their website. They don't try to hide it.
- Their leaders promote marxists views, and openly admit the movement is marxists.
Three Pinocchios. This is the "what we believe" section from the "official" Black Lives Matter website. https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/ There is nothing about Marxism in it or elsewhere on their website.
Individual leaders apparently expressed Marxist beliefs in 2015. The platforms of individual chapters may vary.
I think it is fair to call the parent organization's platform radical-- but then radical compared to what?
The First Amendment guarantees Americans' freedom of expression, even when you dislike that expression. Frankly a lot of American university professors in the social sciences and history professed Marxism in the 1970s and 80s. Somehow the nation survived them. And where are they today?
I hope you will read up on McCarthyism in the USA. The country sort of lost its taste for political witch hunts at that point.
Moreover, as you well know, Dirius, the Black Lives Matter movement is far bigger than the trade-marked organization. Regardless of the central organization's claims, they don't control the far larger movement. Many Americans support the principle of Justice For All without agreeing with the need to overthrow capitalism or some such.
- BLM leadership justify violence to promote the movement. They openly admit this.
False. I also couldn't find this statement on the "official" website. But of course, there is also an argument to be made against the systemic violence that many African Americans have experienced.
Most people would argue that a police officer handcuffing a man and then kneeling on his neck for 9 minutes until he died is a form of violence. Are you familiar with the concept of "structural violence"? What about the shooting of Breonna Taylor by police as she lay in bed-- when they got the wrong house?
- Their objective, is to change the political landscape, not only of the U.S. but also of other countries (even Japan has a BLM chapter).
Correct. Maybe today's "political landscape" is unjust for minorities and deserves to be fixed.
These are facts. Denying this is pure nonesense.
Umm, no. You have more false statements than correct ones.
Maybe you deserve a prize for your use of Straw Man debate fallacies, though.
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