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Re: can astrology predict death?

This puts the issue in a new perspective. For an Indian like me astrology is a serious business and many competent astrologers can be found in this country even today. It is not a frivolous business and it is certainly not for titillation.
To say that predictions of death have failed in the past is like saying that the doctor had failed to diagnose the disease correctly. Failure covers all professions so does success. The argument that some aspects of human life are ‘predictable’ and others are not only shows lacunae in our knowledge.

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Personally, I want to forecast when my own death comes, not tell others who may be uncomfortable with exploration of such a dark, morbid or taboo topic. Americans are very uneasy about the subject matter of death and dying, and globally, humans have a natural instinct in wanting to be alive for a long time. The developed world's average life span is in our 70s and 80s in this millennia.

The crisis cycles in astrology are the "cycle Moon" 4th and 10th, "Pluto" 1st and 8th and "Saturn" 7th and 11th houses, based on the 7 traditional or observable planets, then comes the addition of the darkest and most malefic planet Pluto. Each house in the life cycle on our natal chart is 6 or alternatively, 7 years long. The 5th house or ruled by Leo (our 20s like the 4th) is oddly our peak of youth.

The Moon rules Cancer and influences Leo and Capricorn; Pluto and Mars rules Scorpio and Aries; and Pluto influences Capricorn with Mars for Leo; and Saturn rules Capricorn and Aquarius, and influences Libra. Many humans in this age can live to the age 72-84 or the 12th house or cycles Neptune or Jupiter in the sign Pisces. It's obvious just as many humans' life spans are up to ages 66-78.

Throughout world history, infant mortality and childhood diseases claimed many young lives, the 1st house signifies of the then high risk of death before ages 6-7 before vaccinations and medical advancements in the 20th and now, early 21st centuries. And many males fought, were killed or survived with injury in numerous wars, as well women had a risk of death and injury during childbirth.

And finally, the 8th house is the most cursed and deadliest on our natal charts. Both the 7th and 8th houses represents middle age (ages 40-60) in our life cycles. Stress from work or careers can take a toll on many of us physically and psychology. The risk of death is lower in 9th after we voluntarily retire. And a lower risk of death in 2nd, 3rd, 6th and even 12th is based on many life factors.
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Re: can astrology predict death?

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This puts the issue in a new perspective.

For an Indian like me astrology is a serious business
and many competent astrologers can be found in this country even today.

It is not a frivolous business and it is certainly not for titillation.
To say that predictions of death have failed in the past is like saying that the doctor had failed to diagnose the disease correctly. Failure covers all professions so does success. The argument that some aspects of human life are ‘predictable’ and others are not only shows lacunae in our knowledge.
Astrology is serious - in past times westerners were astrologers as well as herbalists
today westerners embrace modern allopathic "magic bullet medicine"
consigning astrology to the dustbin of western History
and thus
unsurprisingly
priceless artefacts are thrown out as trash

today
practitioners of the ancient art of astrology
so far as Westerners are concerned
are regarded by the public mind
as superstitious/unscientific/misguided ignoramuses
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It's all come from Middle East though, just saying.
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I don't think it is something in the water or something in the air or something attached to the motherland of one patriot or another. In the end, it's got to pass the test.
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It's all come from Middle East though, just saying.
Hyleg and Alcocoden Medieval astrology
OMNISPHERICUS thread discussion on this topic
is at https://www.astrologyweekly.com/foru...ad.php?t=46808


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Hyleg and Alcocoden
This conversation here
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ad.php?t=46232
inspired me to open a thread were I/we would try to say more about this medieval technique of the "Giver of Life" (Hyleg) and the "Giver of Years" (Alcocoden), which according to the medieavls should give the amount of years of life to the native.

I will try firstly to give the example of the Hyleg and Alcocoden in the chart of the recently died pop diva Whitney Houston.

But first lets see what is Hyleg and Alcocoden.

Here is what Bernadettte Brady says about H & A:
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The Hyleg is a planet in the chart that fulfils certain conditions. Once found, it
signifies that life is present. Generally the planet’s individual nature does not reflect
on the quality of this life force, but the presence of a Hyleg tells the astrologer that life
is granted to the horoscope. The astrologer will then look for the planet, which has a
certain relationship to the Hyleg, and this planet is called the Alcoccoden. The duty of
the Alcoccoden is to allocate the years or length of life. If there is no Hyleg in a chart,
there can be no Alcoccoden.
So, Hyleg and Alcocoden are showing the Vital Life Force of the native. They show how much years in life do you have according to the 'Esse' or the condition of your body and soul. With the modern medicine it seems out that this Esse is prolonged, but we will see how in the case of Whitney Houston this is almost exact.
If the nativity dies from a serial killer, or a car accident H & A does not count, they do not show the accidents, they show the condition of the body and soul and accordingly how much years one have.

Here is the summary of the planets and points which can be potential Hylegs:

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In Day charts, we’re looking for the:
• Sun above the horizon in a masculine quarter (11th or 10th), or
• Sun above the horizon in a feminine quarter (7th, 9th) in a masculine sign, or
• Moon below the horizon in a feminine quarter (4th, 5th), or
• Moon below the horizon in a masculine quarter (1st, 2nd, 3rd) in a feminine sign

In Night charts, we’re looking for the:
• Moon above the horizon in a feminine quarter (9th, 7th), or
• Moon above the horizon in a masculine quarter (10th, 11th) in a feminine sign, or
• Sun below the horizon in a masculine quarter (1st, 2nd), or
• Sun below the horizon in a feminine quarter (4th or 5th) in a masculine sign


Potential hylegs are the Sun, Moon, Part of Fortune, Asc and SAN. Or instead of using
the PoF, Asc and SAN itself, you are to take the Lord of the place or the Almuten of the
place. Some instructions advise you to look for the Almuten of all these places.
As a general rule, the potential Hyleg must aspect at least one of its dignity rulers.
Ptolemy appears to be the only exception in this, preferring a planet with two or more
dignities and no aspect over a planet in aspect with only one dignity.
Alchabitius rejected the Moon as hyleg if she was under the Sun’s beams. Heliodorus
rejected any planet as hyleg if it was USB (under the sun beams)

The Hyleg is the giver of life. Once it is found, we need to look for the Alcochoden
or giver of years.

(taken from the group Angelicus Merlin).


Lets take the example of Whitney Houston.


Her chart is a night chart so we first look for a potential Hyleg in the Moon.
Moon is under the Horizon in a night chart, so it can not be Hyleg.
Then we go to the Sun (in a day chart we first go with the Sun), the Sun is in cadent 6th house so it can not be Hyleg too.
Than we look at the Syzygy, or the last lunation prior the birth. In the Whitney's chart it was a Full Moon prior the birth so the chart is so called Preventional and we take the Pars Fortuna as potential Hyleg.
It is in 4th in Cancer.
We now look at the dispositors to see which dispositor takes the most dignity points at the degree in which the PoF is.
For that reason we take the dignity table, I will use here a table with triplicities according to Dorotheus and terms according to the egiptians.
Domicil ruler takes 5 points, exaltation ruler 4, triplicity ruler 3, term ruler 2 and face ruler 1 point.
Moon, domicil ruler = 5 points
Jupiter exaltation ruler 4 points
Mars, triplicity ruler 3 points
Venus, term ruler 2 points
Venus, face ruler 1 point.

Next we look if the Moon (as having the most points in that degree in which PoF is) is making some classical (conjunction, sextile, square, trine, opposition) aspect to the PoF. She is making a square to the Fortuna but it is in wide orbs (although in the moiety). Jupiter is out of orb. Venus is not in aspect. Mars is making a partile (exact) aspect to the PoF and we will take him instead of the Moon (because it is in partile aspect).

So, Part Of Fortune is a Hyleg in Whitney's chart and Mars is Alcocoden.

Next we look at the years table of the planets potential Alcocodens:


We see that the minor years of Mars are 15, Middle Years 40,5 and major years 66.
Mars is angular but in very week sign position (in Exile) so we will take its Middle years (40.5).
Next, we look at the aspects which Mars receives from the benefics and malefics.
If benefic aspects the Alcocoden with Con, sextile or trine adds its minor years as years and its middle years as months, weeks or days (according to the position in which lies).
If Malefic aspects the Alcocoden, subtract from the Alcocoden with its minor years and middle years as months, weeks or days.

Mars is aspecting the other malefic Saturn, but with trine (so this not subtract years because it is benevolent aspect).
Mars is making opposition with Jupiter but out of orb, and with opposition so this does not add to the years.
Mars is making a sextile to Venus and she can add her minor years.
So we add Venus' minor years (8), and her middle years as days (45), because she is cadent and combust. If she was in good position we would add her middle eyars as months.

So we have,
40.5years + 8years + 45 days = 48 years 7 months and 15 days.
Whitney lived 48 years 6 months and 2 days.

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No, I mean Iraq aka Babylonian.

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No, I mean Iraq aka Babylonian.

peace!
Tragically even today in the Middle East

we are bombing museums holding priceless irreplaceable ancient artefacts
such as ancient Babylonian cuneiform astrological texts
while bewailing the savage destruction of

the great library of Alexandria

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I don't think it is something in the water or something in the air

or something attached to the motherland of one patriot or another.
In the end, it's got to pass the test.
Exactly
consider the ANTITHYKERA MECHANISM




evidence persuaded Drs Carman and Evans that
the ANTITHYKERA mechanism was designed according to Babylonian arithmetic principles

rather than Greek trigonometry, which had not been invented in 205BC.
But while the principle used was imported
it remains likely that the mechanism was built in Greece
the lettering on it is Greek
it has a dial that predicts when the Olympic Games will be held
and
bears an inscription mentioning an athletic event on Rhodes.

NEVERTHELESS

The markings on the face of the device
show both Babylonian and Egyptian dates translated into Greek.

The new dating adds an additional twist to arguments
over which of the early Greek scientists, Hipparchus, Posidonius
or
according to the Roman scholar Cicero
Archimedes, might have been involved in its manufacture.
because
It is just seven years after Archimedes died

at the hands of a Roman soldier during the sacking of Syracuse
though whether this makes a direct link more or less likely
depends on whom you ask.

Although it is possible
that the device was configured

to start at a point in time earlier than its date of manufacture
that would make it less accurate
hence less useful
as tiny errors accumulate over time
And accuracy was clearly a primary concern of the maker
since the device gets its astronomy spot on.
Drs Carman and Evans research only became possible
after the discovery by Tony Freeth and his colleagues

that the dial on the lower back of the device corresponded to the Saros cycle of eclipses.


according to James Evans, professor of physics at University of Puget Sound
and Christián Carman, history of science professor at University of Quilmes, Argentina
bothof whom suggest that the Mechanism's workings point to Babylonian maths informing its construction.

That's not in the slightest remarkable:
even the doggrel version of history
knows there was contact between the two regions well before the 200 BC date
at which the Mechanism is thought to have been made.
By 200BC much of the Mediterranean and what we now call the Middle East
was ruled by Hellenic monarchs claiming connection to Alexander the Great's empire.
Those ancient nations shared a language and thought of themselves as fellow Greeks
or Macedonians
even when at war.
Cultural - exchange in the region was therefore normal
Antithykera Mechanism is now a little more mysterious

its origins may be even more complex than first imagined








by the way
3700-year old Babylonian Tablet
Confirms
Pythagoras DID NOT INVENT the Theorem Bearing His Name

http://www.ancient-origins.net/news-...theorem-021581

Old Babylonian mathematics and Plimpton 322:
A new understanding of the OB tablet Plimpton 322

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L24GzTaOll0
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