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One additional factor, regardless of who the Democratic opponent was: The strong tendency to give each Party no more than two consecutive Presidential terms in office. The Democrats' two terms had ended, giving an advantage to a Republican.

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Adam Schiff hit a grand slam yesterday while tRump lost his perfect game and maybe he won't even get a no hitter. I don't think he will even get a complete game. YOU MIGHT THINK IT'S OK.
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Since only about one-third of voters polled believe the Mueller report actually cleared this Administration of wrongdoing, the Trumpublican attacks on Schiff are understandable.
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Adam Schiff hit a grand slam yesterday while tRump lost his perfect game and maybe he won't even get a no hitter. I don't think he will even get a complete game. YOU MIGHT THINK IT'S OK.
Nope my friend, you are wrong. You can fly in your sky and believe you are looking down on those republicans not realizing that Trump is sitting at the second cloud above looking right back at ya!

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Nope my friend, you are wrong. You can fly in your sky and believe you are looking down on those republicans not realizing that Trump is sitting at the second cloud above looking right back at ya!

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Like a floating blimp!
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Funny ey! Ynnest sees the joke and responds to it, a miracle indeed!

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Long Ball Hitter Indeed!

Senator Schiff hit it out of the park and tRump just struck out... . Again.
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Senator Schiff hit it out of the park and tRump just struck out... . Again.
Lol!!

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Get him under oath! It ain't over until the fat President sings!

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Why haven't Adam Schiff been investigated for being a Russian agent now when we All see that it was all a big hoax and that he was lying all the way through it? What interests do he truly serve and what is he hiding!?

There needs to be an independent investigation into Schiff, the Mueller investigation and everyone who was involved with it NOW!

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Why haven't Adam Schiff been investigated for being a Russian agent now when we All see that it was all a big hoax and that he was lying all the way through it? What interests do he truly serve and what is he hiding!?

There needs to be an independent investigation into Schiff, the Mueller investigation and everyone who was involved with it NOW!

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Including the Obama administration and the Clintons!

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turns out barr and Mueller go way back. they knew each other in Vietnam and were both GIs and cia operatives working on the phoenix operation in the early 70's. this was a cia driven program that selected Vietnamese to kidnap and interrogate... but no one ever survived the interrogations and over 70,000 Vietnamese were murdered under this operation. so the whole trump investigation is a farce from the beginning.

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I read an article this mornig about barr and Mueller but now I can't find it. here is another story bout the trump investigation

https://www.veteranstoday.com/2019/0...ehind-mueller/
NEO – NothingGate, the Real Story Behind Mueller (updated/videos)

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Gordon Duff, Senior Editor -

March 30, 2019 14
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by Gordon Duff, … with New Eastern Outlook, Moscow
[ Editor’s note: The investigation is over, so Gordon can now talk a bit more about what was exchanged over three visits. In the beginning, the FBI thought we were a $30-million per year operation, hence we must be paid by some nefarious influence, other than Israel, in which case it would have been fine.
But that changed quickly. They were astounded when shown that the webmaster has a modest ad revenue stream, but everyone else works for free. Not taking money has saved us over and over when someone comes gunning for you for being on the take.
Investigating Israel’s election interference was not on the to do list that Mueller had been given to investigate, but he had brought many charges unrelated to his original task that he “discovered” during the investigation.
So VT had a chance to officially put the massive Israeli espionage election interference on the table, as we knew we would probably never have a chance like this again. Was it used? No. The Mueller team now is dispersed back to their various positions, and are not on the Israeli career hit list.
Maybe one of two of them will have an opportunity to do something. Lightning can strike. People have come to VT, some after hard digging looking for them and sometimes falling out of the sky and landing on us; Mike Dick of the FBI and Able Danger NY team, and Jeff Smith who was also an AD member.
Clinton Bastin was one of the greatest Americans I have ever met Clinton Bastin, was our top nuclear expert before he died. I bumped into him in Atlanta when someone sent me one of his articles. With our both having chemical engineering backgrounds, we clicked, and he became a huge background briefing source for us.
His criticism of the DOE was intense, and he had been blackballed by his former colleagues. One of his big shockers was telling me that all the real nuclear waste we had ever produced would fit on a football field six to seven feet high.
The volume in storage is greatly enhanced due to the stabilizers included. He told me that the engineers push toward recycling waste, but using it over and over was bitterly fought by the uranium contractors and the storage and safety folks, as disturbing their annuity gravy train.
He was a patriotic and beautiful man, and was punished for it. And that is a part of America’s “non-greatness”, a trap that we need to be sure to teach our children to avoid Jim W. Dean ]

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Why haven't Adam Schiff been investigated for being a Russian agent now when we All see that it was all a big hoax and that he was lying all the way through it? What interests do he truly serve and what is he hiding!?

There needs to be an independent investigation into Schiff, the Mueller investigation and everyone who was involved with it NOW!

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That would be like the fox "investigating" the chicken coop.
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https://www.veteranstoday.com/2019/0...den-and-bezos/

and guess who gets to cover it all up like they have so many times before....almost 4 decades of it....
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Introduction: It isn’t that we all got played it is just that everything “we” are fed or allowed to see is a total lie. Our sources, quite surprisingly, tell us that the Deep State using their “dynamic duo” of Barr and Mueller, CIA operatives for 40 plus years, we are told, to keep Trump in power long enough to allow America and Russia to be brought to their knees.
Our story began with an operation by Saudi intelligence against former Vice President Joe Biden and Jeff Bezos of Amazon. We now find it is much wider, like that was a surprise.
Best friends for 30 years, Mueller and Barr, the CoverUp Twins




…by Gordon Duff, VT Senior Editor
Introduction: It isn’t that we all got played it is just that everything “we” are fed or allowed to see is a total lie. Our sources, quite surprisingly, tell us that the Deep State using their “dynamic duo” of Barr and Mueller, CIA operatives for 40 plus years, we are told, to keep Trump in power long enough to allow America and Russia to be brought to their knees.
Our story began with an operation by Saudi intelligence against former Vice President Joe Biden and Jeff Bezos of Amazon. We now find it is much wider, like that was a surprise.
Russiagate was cooked up by former (and current) AG, Bob Barr and his oldest and dearest friend of 40 years, former FBI Director, Robert Mueller, a prep school brat and son of very old money who, we are now told, “went to Vietnam” as a CV enhancer for a career as a “useful tool” of the Deep State.”





https://youtu.be/yOmQoADOQWs
When I was told Robert Mueller worked on the Phoenix Program in Vietnam, I was skeptical. The information came with no evidence though Mueller’s history was a strange one, pure “stealth.”
We thank Gene “Chip” Tatum who phoned from Ecuador to warn me that Mueller was working for Barr all along and that both had been CIA assets since the 1970s and Chip would know.
I worked with Phoenix personnel when the CIA and Pentagon tried to send them to Nicaragua to kill off “Sandinista infrastructure, nurses and teachers mostly and later when they were reassigned to train Gladio operatives from Libya at secret camps there, pretending to be “IRA terrorists.”
Chip warned me that Russiagate was an “op” and only that and that Mueller and Barr had cooked this up as they had when they had gone after Noriega, a CIA drug asset who had to be silenced to save the Bush family, or later in using the DOJ and FBI to coverup the 9/11 conspiracy and silence those who would have asked for a congressional inquiry on the fake war in Iraq, such as was done in the UK against Tony Blair, “W’s” partner in that criminal effort.
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Barr and Mueller but not so different
“Mueller was working as the U.S. Attorney for Massachusetts when he got the call and according to a Princeton alumni report, was on the next plane.

  • Mueller and Barr became friends in the early to mid 70’s as both assets of the CIA.” …excerpted from “The Mule,” a new book by Gene “Chip” Tatum
    This is coming in from multiple sources. First we learn that Bob Barr, now Attorney General, pushed for the nomination of Robert Mueller to investigate RussiaGate, a GOP fake story to cover Trump’s KosherNostra ties.

  • You see, Mueller, the alleged head of the 9/11 coverup and “silencer” of all who would have blocked the illegal war in Iraq, is “besties’ with Bob Barr, former CIA fixer.
    “RussiaGate,” from day one was a Barr/CIA/Mossad op against the press, buying Trump two years to give away the US to Israel.
    Now Trump is fighting a fake war on the press while the real enforcers are doing their “magic” with Saudi intelligence, the same folks who murdered Jamal Khashoggi, a major Trump critic working at the Washington Post, owned by Jeff Bezos of Amazon, someone who can buy and sell pretty much everyone with his small change. More from Chip Tatum on spoiled “son of wealth” Robert Mueller:
    “The son of wealth, brought up in a family accustomed to power. The great-grandson of the railroad executive William Truesdale, Robert Swann Mueller III was raised to show and demand respect and he was raised to lead.”
    From Princeton to the Marines
    Mueller was born to a social rank that barely exists anymore. He is a closeted WASP elite of the northeastern families who sent their sons to New England prep schools built with generations of inherited wealth.
    Mueller’s father was an executive at DuPont, part of a family firmly planted in the country’s plutocracy. Mueller, who grew up in Princeton, N.J., and the Philadelphia Main Line, was sent to St. Paul’s School in New Hampshire, where the Astor, Vanderbilt and Mellon families educated their boys.
    At the Episcopal school, Mueller became captain of the soccer, hockey and lacrosse teams. he played hockey with classmate John F. Kerry, a future secretary of state and one of the three St. Paul’s alumni who would run for president.”
    Now we find that what began as a smear campaign against Bezos may well now become a potential hit. Trump’s primary enemies are turning out to be, of all things Joe Biden and Jeff Bezos.
    What the public isn’t seeing is that this pair is behind the split in the Democratic Party that is leading progressives away from blind support of Israel. The ability to stand behind Israel’s history of brutality and their new “legalized” apartheid state, including the planned ethnic cleansing of the oil rich Golan Heights (violating a 1981 UNSC resolution), is at an end for millions of Americans.
    Only days ago, we saw Israel’s man on the “fringe,” Alex Jones confess to being a conspiracy monger and “getting it wrong.” We love Alex and enjoy the fact that, not only is he a conspiracy monger but he is also a big supporter of apartheid Israel and everything “KosherNostra.”
    Seeing him “brought down” in what we believe is a fake lawsuit well serves the Kosher Nostra ADL lobby in silencing legitimate alternative news sites, although I am not sure I can name one of those right now off the top of my head. SouthFront? Press TV? VT? More…?
    The stealth guy here is Biden. Obama, for 8 years, fought a war against the Israel lobby in Washington, working to limit their seizure of Palestinian land in the Occupied Territories and failing to support their military action against their neighbors.
    The Israeli “Iron Dome” air defense system is a fake. It is supported by American AEGIS ships that Obama and Byden took “off station” to keep Israel from repeating their nuclear attack on Syria made on May 4, 2013 after Syria sunk an Israeli-German (DVD according to Shrimpton) submarine, with cruise missile launcher (Pentagon?). The video below is retaliation.





    https://youtu.be/kekEk5ZJIl0
    Jeff Smith of the IAEA, a nuclear weapons designer/particle physicist, identified this as a nuclear attack. Most obvious is the “ball lightning” at the end of the explosion, within the mushroom cloud.
Harvard Study on Nuclear Explosion-Induced Lighting

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Mueller and Barr: The Memorandum that Saved Trump

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Best friends for 30 years, Mueller and Barr, the CoverUp Twins

By Gordon Duff, Senior Editor
Reading the memorandum today, full aware after stupidly failing to look into the 40 year partnership between Mueller and Barr, it is important that prettymuch everyone know how America was “set up” over RussiaGate and how complicit Trump and his cronies were is staging the whole thing, like a DC version of Sandy Hook.
Very much like a DC version of Sandy Hook, if you get what I am not saying…
MEMORANDUM 8 June 2018
To: Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein Assistant Attorney General Steve Engel
From: Bill Barr
Mueller’s “Obstruction” Theory
I am writing as a former official deeply concerned with the institutions of the Presidency and the Department of Justice. I realize that I am in the dark about many facts, but I hope my views may be useful.
It appears Mueller’s team is investigating a possible case of “obstruction” by the President predicated substantially on his expression of hope that the Comey could eventually “let.. .go” of its investigation of Flynn and his action in firing Comey. In pursuit of this obstruction theory, it appears that Mueller’s team is demanding that the President submit to interrogation about these incidents, using the threat of subpoenas to coerce his submission.



Mueller should not be permitted to demand that the President submit to interrogation about alleged obstruction. Apart from whether Mueller a strong enough factual basis for doing so, Mueller’s obstruction theory is fatally misconceived. As I understand it, his theory is premised on a novel and legally insupportable reading of the law. Moreover, in my view, if credited by the Department, it would have grave consequences far beyond the immediate confines of this case and would do lasting damage to the Presidency and to the administration of law within the Executive branch.
As things stand, obstruction laws do not criminalize just any act that can influence a “proceeding.” Rather they are concerned with acts intended to have a particular kind of impact. A “proceeding” is a formalized process for finding the truth. In general, obstruction laws are meant to protect proceedings from actions designed subvert the integrity of their truth-finding function through compromising the honesty of decision-makers (e.g., judge, jury) or impairing the integrity or availability ofevidence — testimonial, documentary, or physical. Thus, obstruction laws prohibit a range of “bad acts” — such as tampering with a witness or juror; or destroying, altering, or falsifying evidence — all of which are inherently wrongful because, by their very nature, they are directed at depriving the proceeding of honest decision-makers or access to full and accurate evidence. In general, then, the actus reus of an obstruction offense is the inherently subversive “bad act” of impairing the integrity of a decision-maker or evidence. The requisite mens rea is simply intending the wrongful impairment that inexorably flows from the act.
Obviously, the President and any other official can commit obstruction in this classic sense of sabotaging a proceeding’s truth-finding function. Thus, for example, if a President knowingly destroys or alters evidence, suborns perjury, or induces a witness to change testimony, or commits any act deliberately impairing the integrity or availability of evidence, then he, like anyone else, commits the crime of obstruction. Indeed, the acts of obstruction alleged against Presidents Nixon and Clinton in their respective impeachments were all such “bad acts” involving the impairment of evidence. Enforcing these laws against the President in no way infringes on the President’s plenary power over law enforcement because exercising this discretion — such as his complete authority to start or stop a law enforcement proceeding does not involve commission of any of these inherently wrongful, subversive acts.
The President, as far as I know, is not being accused of engaging in any wrongful act of evidence impairment. Instead, Mueller is proposing an unprecedented expansion of obstruction laws so as to reach facially-lawful actions taken by the President in exercising the discretion vested in him by the Constitution. It appears Mueller is relying on 18 U.S.C. 51512, which generally prohibits acts undermining the integrity of evidence or preventing its production. Section 1512 is relevant here because, unlike other obstruction statutes, it does not require that a proceeding be actually “pending” at the time of an obstruction, but only that a defendant have in mind an anticipated proceeding. Because there were seemingly no relevant proceedings pending when the President allegedly engaged in the alleged obstruction, I believe that Mueller’s team is considering the “residual clause” in Section 1512 — subsection (c)(2) —as the potential basis for an obstruction case. Subsection (c) reads:
(c) Whoever corruptly– (I) alters, destroys, mutilates, or conceals a record, document, or other object, or attempts to do so, with the intent to impair the object’s integrity or availability for use in an official proceeding; or (2) otherwise obstructs, influences, or impedes any official proceeding, or attempts to do so [is guilty of the crime of obstruction]. [emphasis added].
As I understand the theory, Mueller proposes to give clause (c)(2), which previously has been exclusively confined to acts of evidence impairment, a new unbounded interpretation. First, by reading clause (c)(2) in isolation, and glossing over key terms, he construes the clause as a freestanding, all-encompassing provision prohibiting any act influencing a proceeding if done With an improper motive. Second, in a further unprecedented step, Mueller would apply this sweeping prohibition to facially-lawful acts taken by public officials exercising of their discretionary powers if those acts influence a proceeding. Thus, under this theory, simply by exercising his Constitutional discretion in a facially-lawful way — for example, by removing or appointing an official; using his prosecutorial discretion to give direction on a case; or using his pardoning power — a President can be accused of committing a crime based solely on his subjective state of mind. As a result, any discretionary act by a President that influences a proceeding can become the subject of a criminal grand jury investigation, probing whether the President acted with an improper motive.
If embraced by the Department, this theory would have potentially disastrous implications, not just for the Presidency, but for the Executive branch as a whole and for the Department in particular. While Mueller’s focus is the President’s discretionary actions, his theory would apply to all exercises of prosecutorial discretion by the President’s subordinates, from the Attorney General down to the most junior line prosecutor. Simply by giving direction on a case, or class of cases, an official opens himself to the charge that he has acted with an “improper” motive and thus becomes subject to a criminal investigation. Moreover, the challenge to Comey’s removal shows that not just prosecutorial decisions are at issue. Any personnel or management decisions taken by an official charged with supervising and conducting litigation and enforcement matters in the Executive branch can become grist for the criminal mill based solely on the official’s subjective state of mind. All that is needed is a claim that a supervisor is acting with an improper purpose and any act arguably constraining a case — such as removing a U.S. Attorney — could be cast as a crime of obstruction.
It is inconceivable to me that the Department could accept Mueller’s interpretation of It is untenable as a matter of law and cannot provide a legitimate basis for interrogating the President. I know you will agree that, if a DOJ investigation is going to take down a democratically-elected President, it is imperative to the health of our system and to our national cohesion that any claim of wrongdoing is solidly based on evidence of a real crime — not a
debatable one. It is time to travel well-worn paths; not to veer into novel, unsettled or contested areas of the law; and not to indulge the fancies by overly-zealous prosecutors.
As elaborated on below, Mueller’s theory should be rejected for the following reasons:
First; the sweeping interpretation being proposed for 1512’s residual clause is contrary to the statute’s plain meaning and would directly contravene the Department’s longstanding and consistent position that generally-worded statutes like 1512 cannot be applied to the President’s exercise of his constitutional powers in the absence of a “clear statement” in the statute that such an application was intended.
Second, Mueller’s premise that, whenever an investigation touches on the President’s own conduct, it is inherently “corrupt” under 1512 for the President to influence that matter is insupportable. In granting plenary law enforcement powers to the President, the Constitution places no such limit on the President’s supervisory authority. Moreover, such a limitation cannot be reconciled with the Department’s longstanding position that the “conflict of interest” laws do not, and cannot, apply to the President, since to apply them would impermissibly “disempower” the President from supervising a class of cases that the Constitution grants him the authority to supervise.
Third, defining facially-lawful exercises of Executive discretion as potential crimes, based solely on subjective motive, would violate Article Il of the Constitution by impermissibly burdening the exercise of core discretionary powers within the Executive branch.
Fourth, even if one were to indulge Mueller’s obstruction theory, in the particular circumstances here, the President’s motive in removing Comey and commenting on Flynn could not have been “corrupt” unless the President and his campaign were actually guilty of illegal collusion. Because the obstruction claim is entirely dependent on first finding collusion, Mueller should not be permitted to interrogate the President about obstruction until has enough evidence to establish collusion.
  1. The Statute’s Plain Meaning, and “the Clear Statement” Rule Long Adhered To By the Department, Preclude Its Application to Facially-Lawful Exercises of the President’s Constitutional Discretion.
The unbounded construction Mueller would give *1512 ‘s residual clause is contrary to the provision’s text, structure, and legislative history. By its terms, 51512 focuses exclusively on actions that subvert the truth-finding function of a proceeding by impairing the availability or integrity of evidence — testimonial, documentary, or physical. Thus, 51512 proscribes a litany of specifically-defined acts of obstruction, including killing a witness, threatening a witness to prevent or alter testimony, destroying or altering documentary or physical evidence, and harassing a witness to hinder testimony. All of these enumerated acts are “obstructive” in precisely the same way — they interfere with a proceeding’s ability to gather complete and reliable evidence.
The question here is whether the phrase — “or corruptly otherwise obstructs” — in clause (c)(2) is divorced from the litany of the specific prohibitions in 1512, and is thus a free-standing, all-encompassing prohibition reaching any act that influences a proceeding, or whether the clause’ s prohibition against “otherwise” obstructing is somehow tied to, and limited by, the character of all the other forms of obstruction listed in the statute. I think it is clear that use of the word “otherwise” in the residual clause expressly links the clause to the forms of obstruction specifically defined elsewhere in the provision. Unless it serves that pumose, the word “otherwise” does no work at all and is mere surplusage. Mueller’s interpretation of the residual clause as covering any and all acts that influence a proceeding reads the word “otherwise” out of the statute altogether. But any proper interpretation of the clause must give effect to the word “otherwise;” it must do some work.
As the Supreme Court has suggested, Begay v. United States, 553 U.S. 137, 142-143 (2008), when Congress enumerates various specific acts constituting a crime and then follows that enumeration with a residual clause, introduced with the words “or otherwise,” then the more general action referred to immediately after the word “otherwise” is most naturally understood to cover acts that cause a similar kind of result as the preceding listed examples, but cause those results in a different manner. In other words, the specific examples enumerated prior to the residual clause are typically read as refining or limiting in some way the broader catch-all tenn used in the residual clause. See also Yates v. United States, 135 S.Ct. 1074, 1085-87 (2015). As the Begay Court observed, if Congress meant the residual clause to be so all-encompassing that it subsumes all the preceding enumerated examples, “it is hard to see why it would have needed to include the examples at all.” 553 U.S. at 142; see McDonnellv. United States, 136 s.ct. 2355, 2369 (2016). An example suffices to make the point: If a statute prohibits “slapping, punching, kicking, biting, gouging eyes, or otherwise hurting” another person, the word “hurting” in the residual clause would naturally be understood as referring to the same kind of physical injury inflicted by the enumerated acts, but inflicted in a different way — i.e., pulling hair. It normally would not be understood as referring to any kind of “hurting,” such as hurting another’s feelings, or hurting another’s economic interests.
Consequently, under the statute’s plain language and structure, the most natural and plausible reading of is that it covers acts that have the same kind of obstructive impact as the listed forms of obstruction — i.e., impairing the availability or integrity of evidence — but cause this impairment in a different way than the enumerated actions do. Under this construction, then, the “catch all” language in clause (c)(2) encompasses any conduct, even if not specifically described in 1512, that is directed at undermining a proceeding’s truth-finding function through actions impairing the integrity and availability of evidence. Indeed, this is how the residual clause has been applied. From a quick review of the cases, it appears all the cases have involved attempts to interfere with, or render false, the evidence that would become available to a proceeding. Even the more esoteric applications of clause (c)(2) have been directed against attempts to prevent the flow of evidence to a proceeding. E.g., United States v. Volpendesto, 746 F.3d 273 (7th Cir. tips from corrupt cops to evade surveillance); United States v. Phillips, 583 F.3d 1261 (10th Cir. 2009)(disclosing identity of undercover agent to subject of grand jury drug investigation). As far as I can tell, no case has ever treated as an “obstruction” an official’s exercise of prosecutorial discretion or an official’s management or personnel actions collaterally affecting a proceeding.
Further, reading the residual clause as an all-encompassing proscription cannot be reconciled either with the other subsections of S 1512, or with the other obstruction provisions in Title 18 that must be read in pari passu with those in 1512. Given Mueller’s sweeping interpretation, clause (c)(2) would render all the specific terms in clause (c)(l) surplusage; moreover, it would swallow up all the specific prohibitions in the remainder of S 1512 — subsections (a), (b), and (d). More than that, it would subsume virtually all other obstruction provisions in Title 18. For example, it would supervene the omnibus clause in 1503, applicable to pending judicial proceedings, as well as the omnibus clause in 1505, applicable to pending proceedings before agencies and Congress. Construing the residual clause in 1512(c)(2) as supplanting these provisions would eliminate the restrictions Congress built into those provisions — i.e., the requirement that a proceeding be “pending” — and would supplant the lower penalties in those provisions with the substantially higher penalties in 1512(c). It is not too much of an exaggeration to say that, if S 1512(c)(2) can be read as broadly as being proposed, then virtually all Federal obstruction law could be reduced to this single clause.
Needless to say, it is highly implausible that such a revolution in obstruction law was intended, or would have gone uncommented upon, when (c)(2) was enacted. On the contrary, the legislative history makes plain that Congress had a more focused purpose when it enacted (c)(2). That subsection was enacted in 2002 as part of the Sarbanes-Oxley Act. That statute was prompted by Enron’s massive accounting fraud and revelations that the company’s outside auditor, Arthur Andersen, had systematically destroyed potentially incriminating documents. Subsection (c) was added to Section 1512 explicitly as a “loophole” closer meant to address the fact that the existing section 1512(b) covers document destruction only where a defendant has induced another person to do it and does not address document destruction carried out by a defendant directly.
As reported to the Senate, the Corporate Fraud Accountability Act was expressly designed to “clarify and close loopholes in the existing criminal laws relating to the destruction or fabrication of evidence and the preservation of financial and audit records.” S. Rep. No. 107-146, at 14-15. Section 1512(c) did not exist as part of the original proposal. See S. 2010, 107th Cong. (2002). Instead, it was later introduced as an amendment by Senator Trent Lott in July 2002. 148 Cong. Rec. S6542 (daily ed. July 10, 2002). Senator Lott explained that, by adding new 1512(c), his proposed amendment:
would enact stronger laws against document shredding. Current law prohibits obstruction ofjustice by a defendant acting alone, but only if a proceeding is pending and a subpoena has been issued for the evidence that has been destroyed or altered …. [T]his section would allow the Government to charge obstruction against individuals who acted alone, even if the tampering took place prior to the issuance of a grand jury subpoena. I think this is something we need to make clear so we do not have a repeat of what we saw with the Enron matter earlier this year.
Id. at S6545 (statement of Sen. Lott) (emphasis supplied). Senator Offin Hatch, in support of Senator Lott’s amendment, explained that it would “close [] [the] loophole” created by the available obstruction statutes and hold criminally liable a person who, acting alone, destroys documents. Id. at S6550 (statement of Sen. Hatch). The legislative history thus confirms that 1512(c) was not intended as a sweeping provision supplanting wide swathes of obstruction law, but rather as a targeted gap-filler designed to strengthen prohibitions on the impairment of evidence.
Not only is an all-encompassing reading of contrary to the language and manifest purpose ofthe statute, but it is precluded by a fundamental canon of statutory construction applicable to statutes of this sort. Statutes must be construed with reference to the constitutional framework within which they operate. E.g., Gregory v. Ashcroft, 501 U.S. 452, 460 (1991). Reading 1512(c)(2) broadly to criminalize the President’s facially-lawful exercises of his removal authority and his prosecutorial discretion, based on probing his subjective state of mind for evidence of an “improper” motive, would obviously intrude deeply into core areas of the President’s constitutional powers. It is well-settled that statutes that do not expressly apply to the President must be construed as not applying to the President if such application would involve a
possible conflict with the President’s constitutional prerogatives. See, e.g., Franklin v. Massachusetts, 505 U.S. 788, 801 (1992). OLC has long rigorously enforced this “clear statement’S rule to limit the reach of broadly worded statutes so as to prevent undue intrusion into the President’s exercise of his Constitutional discretion.
As OLC has explained, the “clear statement” rule has two sources. First, it arises from the long-recognized “cardinal principle” of statut01Y interpretation that statutes be construed to avoid raising serious constitutional questions. Second, the rule exists to protect the “usual constitutional balance” between the branches contemplated by the Framers by “requir[ing] an express statement by Congress before assuming it intended” to impinge upon Presidential authority. Franklin, 505 U.S. at 801; see, e.g., Application of 28 U.S.C. 5458 to Presidential Appointments of Federal Judges, 19 op. O.L.C. 350 (1995).
This clear statement rule has been applied frequently by the Supreme Court as well as the Executive branch with respect to statutes that might otherwise, if one were to ignore the constitutional context, be susceptible of an application that would affect the President’s constitutional prerogatives. For instance, in Franklin the Court was called upon to determine whether the Administrative Procedure Act (“APA”), 5 U.S.C 701-706, authorized “abuse of discretion” review of final actions by the President. Even though the statute defined reviewable action in a way that facially could include the President, and did not list the President among the express exceptions to the APA, Justice O’Connor wrote for the Court:
[t]he President is not [expressly] excluded from the APA’s purview, but he is not explicitly included, either. Out of respect for the separation of powers and the unique constitutional position of the President, we find that textual silence is not enough to subject the President to the provisions of the APA. We would require an express statement by Congress before assuming it intended the President’s performance of his statutory duties to be reviewed for abuse of discretion.
505 U.S. at 800-01. To amplify, she continued, “[a]s the APA does not expressly allow review of the President’s actions, we must presume that his actions are not subject to its requirements. ” Id. at 801.
Similarly, in Public Citizen v. United States Dep’t of Justice, 491 U.S. 440 (1989), the Court held that the Federal Advisory Committee Act (“FACA”), 5 U.S.C. app. 2, does not apply to the judicial recommendation panels of the American Bar Association because interpreting the statute as applying to them would raise serious constitutional questions relating to the President’s constitutional appointment power. By its terms, FACA applied to any advisory committee used by an agency “in the interest of obtaining advice or recommendations for the President.” 5 U.S.C. app. 3(2(c). While acknowledging that a “straightforward reading” of the statute’s language would seem to require its application to the ABA committee, Public Citizen, 491 U.S. at 453, the Court held that such a reading was precluded by the “cardinal principle” that a statute be interpreted to avoid serious constitutional question.” Id. at 465-67. Notably, the majority stated, “[o]ur reluctance to decide constitutional issues is especially great where, as here, they concern the relative powers of coordinate branches of government,” and “[t]hat construing FACA to apply to the Justice Department’s consultations with the ABA Committee would present formidable constitutional difficulties is undeniable.” Id. at 466.
The Office of Legal Counsel has consistently “adhered to a plain statement rule: statutes that do not expressly apply to the President must be construed as not applying to the President, where applying the statute to the President would pose a significant question regarding the President’s constitutional prerogatives.” E.g, The Constitutional Separation of Powers Between the President and Congress, op. O.L.C. 124, 178 (1996); Application of 28 U.S.C. ‘458 to Presidential Appointments of Federal Judges, 19 Op. O.L.C. 350 (1995).
The Department has applied this principle to broadly-worded criminal statutes, like the one at issue here. Thus, in a closely analogous context, the Department has long held that the conflictof-interest statute, 18 U.S.C 208, does not apply to the President. That statute prohibits any “officer or employee of the executive branch” from “participat[ing] personally and substantially” in any particular matter in which he or she has a personal financial interest. Id In the leading opinion on the matter, then-Deputy Attorney General Laurence Silberman determined that the legislative history disclosed no intention to cover the President and doing so would raise “serious questions as to the constitutionality” of the statute, because the effect of applying the statute to the President would “disempower” the President from performing his constitutionally-prescribed functions as to certain matters . See Memorandum for Richard T. Burress, Office of the President, from Laurence H Silberman, Deputy Attorney General, Re: Conflict ofInterest Problems Arising out of the President’s Nomination ofNelson A. Rockefeller to be Vice President under the TwentyFifth Amendment to the Constitution at 2, 5 (Aug. 28, 1974).
Similarly, OLC opined that the Anti-Lobbying Act, 18 U.S.C. 1913, does not apply fully against the President. See Constraints Imposed by 18 U.S. C. 1913 on Lobbying Efforts, 13 Op. O.L.C. 300, 304-06 (1989). The Anti-Lobbying Act prohibits any appropriated funds from being “used directly or indirectly to pay for any personal service, advertisement, telegram, telephone, letter, printed or written matter, or other device, intended or designed to influence in any manner a Member of Congress.” 18 U.S.C. 1913. The statute provided an exception for communications by executive branch officers and employees if the communication was made pursuant to a request by a member of Congress or was a request to Congress for legislation or appropriations. OLC concluded that applying the Act as broadly as its terms would otherwise allow would raise serious constitutional questions as an infringement of the President’s Recommendations Clause power.
In addition to the “clear statement” rule, other canons of statutory construction preclude giving the residual clause in S the unbounded scope proposed by Mueller’s obstruction theory. As elaborated on in the ensuing section, to read the residual clause as extending beyond evidence impairment, and to apply it to any that “corruptly” affects a proceeding, would raise serious Due Process issues. Once divorced from the concrete standard of evidence impairment, the residual clause defines neither the crime’s actus reus (what conduct amounts to obstruction) nor its mens rea (what state of mind is “corrupt”) “with sufficient definiteness that ordinary people can understand what conduct is prohibited,” or “in a manner that does not encourage arbitrary and discriminatory enforcement.” See e.g. McDonnell v. United States, 136 S.Ct. at 2373. This vagueness defect becomes even more pronounced when the statute is applied to a wide range of public officials whose normal duties involve the exercise of prosecutorial discretion and the conduct and management of official proceedings. The “cardinal rule” that a statute be interpreted to avoid serious constitutional questions mandates rejection of the sweeping interpretation of the residual clause proposed by Mueller.
Even if the statute’s plain meaning, fortified by the “clear statement” rule, were not dispositive, the fact that 1512 is a criminal statute dictates a narrower reading than Mueller’s allencompassing interpretation. Even if the scope of 1512(c)(2) were ambiguous, under the “rule of lenity,” that ambiguity must be resolved against the Government’s broader reading. See, e.g., United States v. Granderson, 511 U.S. 39, 54 (1994) (“In these circumstances where text,
structure, and history fail to establish that the Government’s position is unambiguously correct we apply the rule of lenity and resolve the ambiguity in [the defendant’s] favor.”)
In sum, the sweeping construction of residual clause posited by Mueller’s obstruction theory is novel and extravagant. It is contrary to the statute’s plain language, structure, and legislative history. Such a broad reading would contravene the “clear statement” rule of statutory construction, which the Department has rigorously adhered to in interpreting statutes, like this one, that would otherwise intrude on Executive authority. By it terms, 1512 is intended to protect the truth-finding function of a proceeding by prohibiting acts that would impair the availability or integrity of evidence. The cases applying the fresidual clause” have fallen within this scope. The clause has never before been applied to facially-lawful discretionary acts of Executive branch official. Mueller’s overly-aggressive use of the obstruction laws should not be embraced by the Department and cannot support interrogation of the President to evaluate his subjective state of mind.
Il. Applying to Review Facially-Lawful Exercises of the President’s Removal Authority and Prosecutorial Discretion Would Impermissibly Infringe on the President’s Constitutional Authority and the Functioning of the Executive Branch.
This case implicates at least two broad discretionary powers vested by the Constitution exclusively in the President. First, in removing Comey as director of the FBI there is no question that the President was exercising one of his core authorities under the Constitution. Because the President has Constitutional responsibility for seeing that the laws are faithfully executed, it is settled that he has “illimitable” discretion to remove principal officers carrying out his Executive functions. See Free Enterprise Fund v. Public Company Accounting Oversight Board, 130 S.Ct. 3138, 3152 (2010); Myers v. United states, 272 U.s. 52 (1926). Similarly, in commenting to Comey about Flynn’s situation — to the extent it is taken as the President having placed his thumb on the scale in favor of lenity — the President was plainly within his plenary discretion over the prosecution function. The Constitution vests all Federal law enforcement power, and hence prosecutorial discretion, in the President. The President’s discretion in these areas has long been considered “absolute,” and his decisions exercising this discretion are presumed to be regular and are generally deemed non-reviewable. See, e.g., United States v. Armstrong, 517 U.S. 456, 464 (1996); United States v. Nixon, 418 U.S. 683, 693 (1974); see generally S. Prakash, The Chief Prosecutor, 73 Geo. Wash. L. Rev. 521 (2005)
The central problem with Mueller’s interpretation of is that, instead of applying the statute to inherently wrongful acts of evidence impairment, he would now define the actus reus of obstruction as any act, including facially lawful acts, that influence a proceeding. However, the Constitution vests plenary authority over law enforcement proceedings in the President, and therefore one of the President’s core constitutional authorities is precisely to make decisions “influencing” proceedings. In addition, the Constitution vests other discretionary powers in the President that can have a collateral influence on proceedings — including the power of appointment, removal, and pardon. The crux of Mueller’s position is that, whenever the President exercises any of these discretionary powers and thereby “influences” a proceeding, he has completed the actus reus of the crime of obstruction. To establish guilt, all that remains is evaluation of the President’s state of mind to divine whether he acted with a “corrupt” motive.
Construed in this manner, would violate Article Il of the Constitution in at least two respects:
First, Mueller’s premise appears to be that, when a proceeding is looking into the President’s own conduct, it would be “corrupt” within the meaning of for the President to attempt to influence that proceeding. In other words, Mueller seems to be claiming that the obstruction statute effectively walls off the President from exercising Constitutional powers over cases in which his own conduct is being scrutinized. This premise is clearly wrong constitutionally. Nor can it be
reconciled with the Department’s longstanding position that the “conflict of interest” laws do not,
and cannot, apply to the President, since to apply them would impermissibly “disempower” the President from supervising a class of cases that the Constitution grants him the authority to supervise. Under the Constitution, the President’s authority over law enforcement matters is necessarily all-encompassing, and Congress may not exscind certain matters from the scope of his responsibilities. The Framers’ plan contemplates that the President’s law enforcement powers
extend to all matters, including those in which he had a personal stake, and that the proper mechanism for policing the President’s faithful exercise of that discretion is the political process — that is, the People, acting either directly, or through their elected representatives in Congress.
Second, quite apart from this misbegotten effort to “disempower” the President from acting on matters in which he has an interest, defining facially-lawful exercises of Executive discretion as potential crimes, based solely on the President’s subjective motive, would violate Article Il of the Constitution by impermissibly burdening the exercise of core discretionary powers within the Executive branch. The prospect of criminal liability based solely on the official’s state of mind, coupled with the indefinite standards of “improper motive” and “obstruction,” would cast a pall over a wide range of Executive decision-making, chill the exercise of discretion, and expose to intrusive and free-ranging examination of the President’s (and his subordinate’s) subjective state of mind in exercising that discretion.
  1. Section May Not “Disempower” the Presidentfrom Exercising His Law Enforcement Authority Over a Particular Class ofMatters.
As discussed further below, a fatal flaw in Mueller’s interpretation of is that, while defining obstruction solely as acting “corruptly,” Mueller offers no definition of what “corruptly” means. It appears, however, that Mueller has in mind particular circumstances that he feels may give rise to possible “corruptness” in the current matter. His tacit premise appears to be that, when an investigation is looking into the President’s own conduct, it would be “corrupt” for the President to attempt to influence that investigation.
On a superficial level, this outlook is unsurprising: at first blush it accords with the old Roman maxim that a man should not be the judge in his own case and, because “conflict-ofinterest” laws apply to all the President’s subordinates, DOJ prosecutors are steeped in the notion that it is illegal for an official to touch a case in which he has a personal stake. But constitutionally,
as applied to the President, this mindset is entirely misconceived: there is no legal prohibition — as opposed a political constraint against the President’s acting on a matter in which he has a personal stake.
The Constitution itself places no limit on the President’s authority to act on matters which concern him or his own conduct. On the contrary, the Constitution’s grant of law enforcement power to the President is plenary. Constitutionally, it is wrong to conceive of the President as simply the highest officer within the Executive branch hierarchy. He alone is the Executive branch. As such, he is the sole repository of all Executive powers conferred by the Constitution. Thus, the full measure of law enforcement authority is placed in the President’s hands, and no limit is placed on the kinds of cases subject to his control and supervision. While the President has subordinates –the Attorney General and DOJ lawyers who exercise prosecutorial discretion on his behalf, they are merely “his hand,” Ponzi v. Fessenden, 258 U.S. 254, 262 (1922) — the discretion they exercise is the President’s discretion, and their decisions are legitimate precisely because they remain under his supervision, and he is still responsible and politically accountable for them.
Nor does any statute purport to restrict the President’s authority over matters in which he has an interest. On the contrary, in 1974, the Department concluded that the conflict-of interestlaws cannot be construed as applying to the President, expressing “serious doubt as to the constitutionality” of a statute that sought “to disempower” the President from acting over particular matters. Letter to Honorable Howard W. Cannon from Acting Attorney General Laurence H. Silberman, dated September 20, 1974; and Memorandum for Richard T. Burress, Office of the President, from Laurence H. Silberman, Deputy Attorney General, Re: Conflict of Interest Problems Arising out of the President’s Nomination ofNelson A. Rockefeller to be Vice President under the Twenty-Fifth Amendment to the Constitution at 2, 5 (Aug. 28, 1974). As far as I am aware, this is the only instance in which it has previously been suggested that a statute places a class of law enforcement cases “off limits” to the President’s supervision based on his personal interest in the matters. The Department rejected that suggestion on the ground that Congress could not “disempower” the President from exercising his supervisory authority over such matters. For all the same reasons, Congress could not make it a crime for the President to exercise supervisory authority over cases in which his own conduct might be at issue.
The illimitable nature ofthe President’s law enforcement discretion stems not just from the Constitution’s plenary grant of those powers to the President, but also from the “unitary” character of the Executive branch itself. Because the President alone constitutes the Executive branch, the President cannot “recuse” himself. Just as Congress could not en masse recuse itself, leaving no source of the Legislative power, the President cannot take a holiday from his responsibilities. It is in the very nature of discretionary power that ultimate authority for making the choice must be vested in some final decision-maker. At the end of the day, there frilly must be a desk at which “the buck stops.” In the Executive, final responsibility must rest with the President. Thus, the President, “though able to delegate duties to others, cannot delegate ultimate responsibility or the active obligation to supervise that goes with it.” Free Enterprise Fund v. Public Co. Acctg. Oversight Bd., 130 S. ct. 3138, 3154 (2010) (quoting Clinton v. Jones, 520 U.s. 681, 712-713 (1997) (Breyer, J., concurring in judgment)) (emphasis added).
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Mueller and Barr: The Memorandum that Saved Trump

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Best friends for 30 years, Mueller and Barr, the CoverUp Twins

continuation from previous post
In framing a Constitution that entrusts broad discretion to the President, the Framers chose the means they thought best to police the exercise of that discretion. The Framers’ idea was that, by placing all discretionary law enforcement authority in the hands of a single “Chief Magistrate” elected by all the People, and by making him politically accountable for all exercises of that discretion by himself or his agents, they were providing the best way of ensuring the “faithful exercise” of these powers. Every four years the people as a whole make a solemn national decision as to the person whom they frust to make these prudential judgments. In the interim, the people’s representatives stand watch and have the tools to oversee, discipline, and, if they deem appropriate, remove the President from office. Thus, under the Framers’ plan, the determination whether the President is making decisions based on “improper” motives or whether he is “faithfully” discharging his responsibilities is left to the People, through the election process, and the Congress, through the Impeachment process.
The Framers’ idea of political accountability has proven remarkably successful, far more so than the disastrous experimentation with an “independent” counsel statute, which both parties agreed to purge from our system. By and large, fear of political retribution has ensured that, when confronted with serious allegations of misconduct within an Administration, Presidents have felt it necessary to take practical steps to assure the people that matters will be pursued with integrity. But the measures that Presidents have adopted are voluntary, dictated by political prudence, and adapted to the situation; they are not legally compelled. Moreover, Congress has usually been quick to respond to allegations of wrongdoing in the Executive and has shown itself more than willing to conduct investigations into such allegations. The fact that President is answerable for any abuses of discretion and is ultimately subject to the judgment of Congress through the impeachment process means that the President is not the judge in his own cause. See Nixon v. Harlow, 457 U.S. 731, 757-58 n.41 The remedy of impeachment demonstrates that the President remains accountable under law for his misdeeds in office.”)
Mueller’s core premise — that the President acts “corruptly” if he attempts to influence a proceeding in which his own conduct is being scrutinized — is untenable. Because the Constitution, and the Department’s own rulings, envision that the President may exercise his supervisory authority over cases dealing with his own interests, the President transgresses no legal limitation when he does so. For that reason, the President’s exercise of supervisory authority over such a case does not amount to “corruption.” It may be in some cases politically unwise; but it is not a crime. Moreover, it cannot be presumed that any decision the President reaches in a case in which he is interested is “improperly” affected by that personal interest. Implicit in the Constitution’s grant of authority over such cases, and in the Department’s position that the President cannot be “disempowered” from acting in such cases, is the recognition that Presidents have the capacity to decide such matters based on the public’s long-term interest.
In today’s world, Presidents are frequently accused of wrongdoing. Let us say that an outgoing administration — say, an incumbent U.S. Attorney — launches a “investigation” of an incoming President. The new President knows it is bogus, is being conducted by political opponents, and is damaging his ability to establish his new Administration and to address urgent matters on behalf of the Nation. It would neither be “corrupt” nor a crime for the new President to terminate the matter and leave any further investigation to Congress. There is no legal principle that would insulate the matter from the President’s supervisory authority and mandate that he passively submit while a bogus investigation runs its course.
At the end of the day, I believe Mueller’s team would have to concede that a President does not act “corruptly” simply by acting on — even terminating — a matter that relates to his own conduct. But I suspect they would take the only logical fallback position from that — namely, that it would be “corrupt” if the President had actually engaged in unlawful conduct and then blocked an investigation to “cover up” the wrongdoing. In other words, the notion would be that, if an investigation was bogus, the President ultimately had legitimate grounds for exercising his supervisory powers to stop the matter. Conversely, if the President had really engaged in wrongdoing, a decision to stop the case would have been a corrupt cover up. But, in the latter case,
the predicate for finding any corruption would be first finding that the President had engaged in the wrongdoing he was allegedly u•ying to cover up. Under the particular circumstances here, the issue of obstruction only becomes ripe after the alleged collusion by the President or his campaign is established first. While the distinct crime ofobstruction can frequently be committed even if the underlying crime under investigation is never established, that is true only where the obstruction is an act that is wrongful in itself such as threatening a witness, or destroying evidence. But here, the only basis for ascribing “wrongfulness” (i.e., an improper motive) to the President’s actions is the claim that he was attempting to block the uncovering Of wrongdoing by himself or his campaign. Until Mueller can show that there was unlawful collusion, he cannot show that the President had an improper “cover up” motive.
For reasons discussed below, I do not subscribe to this notion. But here it is largely an academic question. Either the President and his campaign engaged in illegal collusion or they did not. If they did, then the issue of “obstruction” is a sideshow. However, if they did not, then the cover up theory is untenable. And, at a practical level, in the absence of some wrongful act of evidence destruction, the Department would have no business pursuing the President where it cannot show any collusion. Mueller should get on with the task at hand and reach a conclusion on collusion. In the meantime, pursuing a novel obstruction theory against the President is not only premature but — because it forces resolution of numerous constitutional issues — grossly irresponsible,

Using Obstruction Laws to Review the President’s Motives for Making FaciallyLawful Discretionary Decisions Impermissibly Infringes on the President’s Constitutional Powers.
The crux of Mueller’s claim here is that, when the President performs a facially-lawful discretionary action that influences a proceeding, he may be criminally investigated to determine whether he acted with an improper motive. It is hard to imagine a more invasive encroachment on Executive authority.

The Constitution Vests Discretion in the President To Decide Whether To Prosecute Cases or To Remove Principal Executive Officers, and Those Decisions are Not Reviewable.
The authority to decide whether or not to bring prosecutions, as well as the authority to appoint and remove principal Executive officers, and to grant pardons, are quintessentially Executive in character and among the discretionary powers vested exclusively in the President by the Constitution. When the President exercises these discretionary powers, it is presumed he does so lawfully, and his decisions are generally non-reviewable.
The principle of non-reviewability inheres in the very reason for vesting these powers in the President in the first place. In governing any society certain choices must be made that cannot be determined by tidy legal standards but requrre prudential judgment. The imperative is that there must be some ultimate decision-maker who has the final, authoritative say at whose desk the “buck” truly does stop. Any system whereby other officials, not empowered to make the decision themselves, are permitted to review the “final” decision for “improper motives” is antithetical both to the exercise of discretion and its finality: And, even if review can censor a particular choice, it leaves unaddressed the fact that a choice still remains to be made, and the reviewers have no power to make it. The prospect of review itself undermines discretion. Wayte v. United States, 470 U. S. 598, 607-608 (1985); cf Franklin v. Massachusetts, 505 U.S. at 801. But any regime that proposes to review and punish decision-makers for “improper motives” ends up doing more harm than good by chilling the exercise of discretion, “dampen[ing] the ardor of all but the most resolute ,. .in the unflinching discharge of their duties.” Gregoire v, Biddle, 177 F. 2d 579, 581 (2d Cir. 1949)(Learned Hand). In the end, the prospect of punishment chills the exercise of discretion over a far broader range of decisions than the supposedly improper decision being remedied. McDonnell, 136 s.ct, at 2373.
For these reasons, the law has erected an array of protections designed to prevent, or strictly limit, review of the exercise of the Executive discretionary powers. See, e.g., Nixon v. Fitzgerald, 457 US 731 ,749 (1982) (the President’s unique discretionary powers require that he have absolute immunity from civil suit for his official acts). An especially strong set of rules has been put in place to insulate those who exercise prosecutorial discretion from second-guessing and the possibility of punishment. See. e.g., Imbler v. Pachtman, 424 U. S. 409 (1976); Yaselli v. Goff 275 U. S. 503 (1927), affg 12 F. 2d 396 (2d Cir. 1926). Thus, “it is entirely clear that the refusal to prosecute cannot be the subject of judicial review.” See, e.g., ICC v. Brotherhood ofLocomotive Engineers, 482 U.S. 270, 283 (1987); United States v. Cox, 342 F.2d 167, 171-72 (5th Cir. 1965) (The U.S. Attorney’s decision not to prosecute even where there is probable cause is “a matter of executive discretion which cannot be coerced or reviewed by the courts.”); see also Heckler v. Chaney, 470 U.s. 821, 831 (1985).
Even when there is a prosecutorial decision to proceed with a case, the law generally precludes review or, in the narrow circumstances where review is permitted, limits the extent to which the decision-makers’ subjective motivations may be examined. Thus, a prosecutor’s decision to bring a case is generally protected from civil liability by absolute immunity, even if the prosecutor had a malicious motive. Yaselli v. Goff, 275 U. S. 503 (1927), affg 12 F. 2d 396 (2d Cir. 1926). Even where some review is permitted, absent a claim of selective prosecution based on an impermissible classification, a court ordinarily will not look into the prosecutor’s real motivations for bringing the case as long as probable cause existed to support prosecution. See Bordenkircher V. Hayes, 434 U.S. 357, 364 (1978). Further, even when there is a claim of selective prosecution based on an impermissible classification, courts do not permit the probing of the prosecutor’s subjective state of mind until the plaintiff has first produced objective evidence that the policy under which he has been prosecuted had a discriminatory effect. United States v. Armstrong, 517 U.S. 456 (1996). The same considerations undergird the Department’s current position in Hawaii v. Trump, where the Solicitor General is arguing that, in reviewing the President’s travel ban, a court may not look into the President’s subjective motivations when the government has stated a facially legitimate basis for the decision. (SG ‘s Merits Brief at 61).
In short, the President’s exercise of its Constitutional discretion is not subject to review for “improper motivations” by lesser officials or by the courts. The judiciary has no authority ”to enquire how the executive, or executive officers, perform duties in which they have a discretion. Questions, in their nature political, or which are, by the constitution and laws, submitted to the executive, can never be made” in the courts. Marbury v. Madison, I Cranch (5 U.S.) 137, 170 (1803).

Threatening criminal liability forfacially-lawful exercises of discretion, based solely on the subjective motive, would impermissibly burden the exercise of core Constitutional powers within the Executive branch..
Mueller is effectively proposing to use the criminal obstruction law as a means of reviewing discretionary acts taken by the President when those acts influence a proceeding. Mueller gets to this point in three steps. First, instead of confining to inherently wrongful acts of evidence impairment, he would now define the actus reus of obstruction as any act that influences a proceeding. Second, he would include within that category the official discretionary actions taken by the President or other public officials carrying out their Constitutional duties, including their authority to control all law enforcement matters, The net effect of this is that, once the President or any subordinate takes any action that influences a proceeding, he has completed the actus reus of the crime of obstruction. To establish guilt, all that remains is evaluation of the President’s or official ‘s subjective state of mind to divine whether he acted with an improper motive.
Wielding in this way preempts the Framers’ plan of political accountability and violate Article Il of the Constitution by impermissibly burdening the exercise of the core discretionary powers within the Executive branch. The prospect of criminal prosecution based solely on the President’s state of mind, coupled with the indefinite standards of “improper motive” and “obstruction,” would cast a pall over a wide range of Executive decision-making, chill the exercise of discretion, and expose to intrusive and free-ranging examination the President’s (or his subordinate’s) subjective state of mind in exercising that discretion
Any system that threatens to punish discretionary actions based on subjective motivation naturally has a substantial chilling effect on the exercise of discretion. But Mueller’s proposed regime would mount an especially onerous and unprecedented intrusion on Executive authority. The sanction that is being threatened for improperly-motivated actions is the most severe possible — personal criminal liability. Inevitably, the prospect of being accused of criminal conduct, and possibly being investigated for such, would cause officials “to shrink” from making potentially controversial decisions and sap the vigor with which they perform their duties. McDonnell v. United States, 136 s.ct. at 2372-73.
Further, the, chilling effect is especially powerful where, as here, liability turns solely on the official’s subjective state of mind. Because charges of official misconduct based on improper motive are “easy to allege and hard to disprove,” Hartman v. Moore, 547 U.S. 250, 257-58 (2006), Mueller’s regime substantially increases the likelihood of meritless claims, accompanied by the all the risks of defending against them. Moreover, the review contemplated here would be far more intrusive since it does not turn on an objective standard — such as the presence in the record of a reasonable basis for the decision — but rather requires probing to determine the President’s actual subjective state of mind in reaching a decision. As the Supreme Court has observed, Harlow v. Fitzgerald, 457 U.S. 800, 816-17 (1982), even when faced only with civil liability, such an inquiry is especially disruptive:
[I]t now is clear that substantial costs attend the litigation of the subjective good faith of government officials. Not only are there the general costs of
subjecting officials to the risks of trial — distraction of officials from their governmental duties, inhibition of discretionary action, and deterrence of able people from public service. There are special costs to “subjective” inquiries of this kind. . [T]he judgments surrounding discretionary action almost inevitably are influenced by the decisionmaker’s experiences, values, and emotions. These variables …frame a background in which there often is no clear end to the relevant evidence. Judicial inqurry into subjective motivation therefore may entail broad-ranging discovery Inquiries of this kind can be peculiarly disruptive of effective government.
Moreover, the encroachment on the Executive function is especially broad due to the wide range of actors and actions potentially covered. Because Mueller defines the actus reus of obstruction as any act that influences a proceeding, he is including not just exercises of prosecutorial discretion directly deciding whether a case will proceed or not, but also exercises of any other Presidential power that might collaterally affect a proceeding, such as a removal, appointment, or grant of pardon. And, while Mueller’s immediate target is the President’s exercise of his discretionary powers, his obstruction theory reaches all exercises of prosecutorial discretion by the President’s subordinates, from the Attorney General, down the most junior line prosecutor. It also necessarily applies to all personnel, management, and operational decision by those who are responsible for supervising and conducting litigation and enforcement matters — civil, criminal or administrative on the President’s behalf.
A fatal flaw with Mueller’s regime — and one that greatly exacerbates its chilling effect -is that, while Mueller would criminalize any act “corruptly” influencing a proceeding, Mueller can offer no definition of “corruptly,” What is the circumstance that would make an attempt by the President to influence a proceeding “corrupt?” Mueller would construe “corruptly” as referring to one’s purpose in seeking to influence a proceeding. But Mueller provides no standard for determining what motives are legal and what motives are illegal. Is an attempt to influence a proceeding based on political motivations “corrupt?” Is an attempt based on self-interest? Based on personal career considerations? Based on partisan considerations? On friendship or personal affinity? Due process requires that the elements ofa crime be defined “with sufficient definiteness that ordinary people can understand what conduct is prohibited,” or “in a manner that does not encourage arbitrary and discriminatory enforcement.” See McDonnell, 136 S.Ct. at 2373. This, Mueller’s construction of 1512(c)(2) utterly fails to do.
It is worth pausing on the word “corruptly,” because courts have evinced a lot of confusion over it. It is an adverb, modifying the verbs “influence,” “impede,” etc. But few courts have deigned to analyze its precise adverbial mission. Does it refer to “how” the influence is accomplished — i.e., the means used to influence? Or does it refer to the ultimate purpose behind the attempt to influence? As an original matter, I think it was clearly used to described the means used to influence. As the D.C. Circuit persuasively suggested, the word was likely used in its 19th century transitive sense, connoting the turning (or corrupting) of something from good and fit for its purpose into something bad and unfit for its purpose — hence, ‘ ‘corrupting” a magistrate; or “corrupting” evidence. United States v. Poindexter, 951 F.2d 369 (D.C. Cir. 1991). Understood this way, the ideas behind the obstruction laws come more clearly into focus. The thing that is corrupt is the means being used to influence the proceeding. They are inherently wrong because they involve the corruption of decision-makers or evidence. The culpable intent does not relate to the actor’s ultimate motive for using the corrupt means. The culpable state of mind is merely the intent that the corrupt means bring about their immediate putpose, which is to sabotage the proceeding’s fruth-finding function. The actor’s ultimate purpose is irrelevant because the means, and their immediate purpose, are dishonest and malign. Further, if the actor uses lawful means of influencing a proceeding — such as asserting an evidentiary privilege, or bringing public opinion pressure to bear on the prosecutors — then his ultimate motives are likewise irrelevant. See Arthur Anderson, 544 U.S. at 703-707. Even if the actor is guilty of a crime and his only reason for acting is to escape justice, his use of lawful means to impede or influence a proceeding are perfectly legitimate.
Courts have gotten themselves into a box whenever they have suggested that “corruptly” is not confined to the use of wrongful means, but can also refer to someone’s ultimate motive for using lawful means to influence a proceeding. The problem, however, is that, as the courts have consistently recognized, there is nothing inherently wrong with attempting to influence or impede a proceeding. Both the guilty and innocent have the right to use lawful means to do that. What is the motive that would make the use of lawful means to influence a proceeding “corrupt?” Courts have been thrown back on listing “synonyms” like “depraved, wicked, or bad.” But that begs the question. What is depraved — the means or the motive? If the latter, what makes the motive depraved if the means are within one’s legal rights? Fortunately for the courts, the cases invariably involve evidence impairment, and so, after stumbling around, they get to a workable conclusion. Congress has also taken this route. Poindexter struck down the omnibus clause of \1505 on the grounds that, as the sole definition of obstruction, the word “corruptly” was unconstitutionally vague. 951 F.2d at 377-86. Tellingly, when Congress sought to “clarify” the meaning of “corruptly” in the wake of Poindexter, it settled on even more vague language — “acting with an improper motive” — and then proceeded to qualify this definition further by adding, “including making a false or misleading statement, or withholding, concealing, altering, or destroying a document or other information.” 18 U.S.C. *15150). The fact that Congress could not define “corruptly” except through a laundry list of acts of evidence impairment strongly confirms that, in the obstruction context, the word has no intrinsic meaning apart from its transitive sense of compromising the honesty of a decision-maker or impairing evidence.
At the end of the day then, as long as S 1512 is read as it was intended to be read — i.e., as prohibiting actions designed to sabotage a proceeding’s access to complete and accurate evidence the term “corruptly” derives meaning from that context. But once the word “corruptly” is deracinated from that context, it becomes essentially meaningless as a standard. While Mueller’s failure to define “corruptly” would be a Due Process violation in itself, his application of that “shapeless” prohibition on public officials engaged in the discharge of their duties impermissibly encroach on the Executive function by “cast[ing] the pall of potential prosecution” over a broad range of lawful exercises of Executive discretion. McDonnell, 136 S.Ct. at 2373-74.
The chilling effect is magnified still further because Mueller’s approach fails to define the kind of impact an action must have to be considered an “obstruction.” As long as the concept of obstruction is tied to evidence impairment, the nature of the actions being prohibited is discernable. But once taken out of this context, how does one differentiate between an unobjectionable “influence” and an illegal “obstruction?” The actions being alleged as obstructions in this case illustrate the point. Assuming arguendo that the President had motives such that, under Mueller’s theory, any direct order by him to terminate the investigation would be considered an obstruction, what action short of that would be impermissible? The removal of Comey is presumably being investigated as “obstructive” due to some collateral impact it could have on a proceeding. But removing an agency head does not have the natural and foreseeable consequence of obstructing any proceeding being handled by that agency. How does one gauge whether the collateral effects of one’s actions could impermissibly affect a proceeding?
The same problem exists regarding the President’s comments about Flynn. Even if the President’s motives were such that, under Mueller’s theory, he could not have ordered termination of an investigation, to what extent do comments short of that constitute obstruction? On their face, the President’s comments to Comey about Flynn seem unobjectionable. He made the accurate observation that Flynn’s call with the Russian Ambassador was perfectly proper and made the point that Flynn, who had now suffered public humiliation from losing his job, was a good man. Based on this, he expressed the “hope” that Comey could “see his way clear” to let the matter go. The formulation that Comey “see his way clear,” explicitly leaves the decision with Comey. Most normal subordinates would not have found these comments obstructive. Would a superior’s questioning the legal merit of a case be obstructive? Would pointing out some consequences of the subordinate’s position be obstructive? Is something really an “obstruction” if it merely is pressure acting upon a prosecutor’s psyche? Is the obstructiveness of pressure gauged objectively or by how a subordinate subjectively apprehends it?
The practical implications of Mueller’s approach, especially in light of its “shapeless” concept of obstruction, are astounding. DOJ lawyers are always making decisions that invite the allegation that they are improperly concluding or constraining an investigation. And these allegations are frequently accompanied by a claim that the official is acting based on some nefarious motive. Under the theory now being advanced, any claim that an exercise of prosecutorial discretion was improperly motived could legitimately be presented as a potential criminal obstruction. The claim would be made that, unless the subjective motivations of the decision maker are thoroughly explored through a grand jury investigation, the putative “improper motive” could not be ruled out.
In an increasingly partisan environment, these concerns are by no means trivial. For decades, the Department has been routinely attacked both for its failure to pursue certain matters and for its decisions to move forward on others. Especially when a house of Congress is held by an opposing party, the Department is almost constantly being accused of deliberately scuttling enforcement in a particular class of cases, usually involving the environmental laws. There are claims that cases are not being brought, or are being brought, to appease an Administration’s political constituency, or that the Department is failing to investigate a matter in order to cover up its own wrongdoing, or to protect the Administration. Department is bombarded with requests to name a special counsel to pursue this or that matter, and it is frequently claimed that his reluctance to do so is based on an improper motive. When a supervisor intervenes in a case, directing a course of action different from the one preferred by the subordinate, not infrequently there is a tendency for the subordinate to ascribe some nefarious motive. And when personnel changes are made — as
for example, removing a U.S. Attorney — there are sometimes claims that the move was intended to truncate some investigation,
While these controversies have heretofore been waged largely on the field of political combat, Mueller’s sweeping obstruction theory would now open the way for the “criminalization” of these disputes. Predictably, challenges to the Department’s decisions will be accompanied by claims that the Attorney General, or other supervisory officials, are “obstructing” justice because their directions are improperly motivated. Whenever the slightest colorable claim of a possible “improper motive” is advanced, there will be calls for a criminal investigation into possible “obstruction.” The prospect ofbeing accused of criminal conduct, and possibly being investigated for such, would inevitably cause officials “to shrink” from making potentially controversial decision
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Mueller and Barr: The Memorandum that Saved Trump

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Best friends for 30 years, Mueller and Barr, the CoverUp Twins

By Gordon Duff, Senior Editor
Reading the memorandum today, full aware after stupidly failing to look into the 40 year partnership between Mueller and Barr, it is important that prettymuch everyone know how America was “set up” over RussiaGate and how complicit Trump and his cronies were is staging the whole thing, like a DC version of Sandy Hook.
Very much like a DC version of Sandy Hook, if you get what I am not saying…
MEMORANDUM 8 June 2018
To: Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein Assistant Attorney General Steve Engel
From: Bill Barr
Mueller’s “Obstruction” Theory
I am writing as a former official deeply concerned with the institutions of the Presidency and the Department of Justice. I realize that I am in the dark about many facts, but I hope my views may be useful.
It appears Mueller’s team is investigating a possible case of “obstruction” by the President predicated substantially on his expression of hope that the Comey could eventually “let.. .go” of its investigation of Flynn and his action in firing Comey. In pursuit of this obstruction theory, it appears that Mueller’s team is demanding that the President submit to interrogation about these incidents, using the threat of subpoenas to coerce his submission.



Mueller should not be permitted to demand that the President submit to interrogation about alleged obstruction. Apart from whether Mueller a strong enough factual basis for doing so, Mueller’s obstruction theory is fatally misconceived. As I understand it, his theory is premised on a novel and legally insupportable reading of the law. Moreover, in my view, if credited by the Department, it would have grave consequences far beyond the immediate confines of this case and would do lasting damage to the Presidency and to the administration of law within the Executive branch.
As things stand, obstruction laws do not criminalize just any act that can influence a “proceeding.” Rather they are concerned with acts intended to have a particular kind of impact. A “proceeding” is a formalized process for finding the truth. In general, obstruction laws are meant to protect proceedings from actions designed subvert the integrity of their truth-finding function through compromising the honesty of decision-makers (e.g., judge, jury) or impairing the integrity or availability ofevidence — testimonial, documentary, or physical. Thus, obstruction laws prohibit a range of “bad acts” — such as tampering with a witness or juror; or destroying, altering, or falsifying evidence — all of which are inherently wrongful because, by their very nature, they are directed at depriving the proceeding of honest decision-makers or access to full and accurate evidence. In general, then, the actus reus of an obstruction offense is the inherently subversive “bad act” of impairing the integrity of a decision-maker or evidence. The requisite mens rea is simply intending the wrongful impairment that inexorably flows from the act.
Obviously, the President and any other official can commit obstruction in this classic sense of sabotaging a proceeding’s truth-finding function. Thus, for example, if a President knowingly destroys or alters evidence, suborns perjury, or induces a witness to change testimony, or commits any act deliberately impairing the integrity or availability of evidence, then he, like anyone else, commits the crime of obstruction. Indeed, the acts of obstruction alleged against Presidents Nixon and Clinton in their respective impeachments were all such “bad acts” involving the impairment of evidence. Enforcing these laws against the President in no way infringes on the President’s plenary power over law enforcement because exercising this discretion — such as his complete authority to start or stop a law enforcement proceeding does not involve commission of any of these inherently wrongful, subversive acts.
The President, as far as I know, is not being accused of engaging in any wrongful act of evidence impairment. Instead, Mueller is proposing an unprecedented expansion of obstruction laws so as to reach facially-lawful actions taken by the President in exercising the discretion vested in him by the Constitution. It appears Mueller is relying on 18 U.S.C. 51512, which generally prohibits acts undermining the integrity of evidence or preventing its production. Section 1512 is relevant here because, unlike other obstruction statutes, it does not require that a proceeding be actually “pending” at the time of an obstruction, but only that a defendant have in mind an anticipated proceeding. Because there were seemingly no relevant proceedings pending when the President allegedly engaged in the alleged obstruction, I believe that Mueller’s team is considering the “residual clause” in Section 1512 — subsection (c)(2) —as the potential basis for an obstruction case. Subsection (c) reads:
(c) Whoever corruptly– (I) alters, destroys, mutilates, or conceals a record, document, or other object, or attempts to do so, with the intent to impair the object’s integrity or availability for use in an official proceeding; or (2) otherwise obstructs, influences, or impedes any official proceeding, or attempts to do so [is guilty of the crime of obstruction]. [emphasis added].
As I understand the theory, Mueller proposes to give clause (c)(2), which previously has been exclusively confined to acts of evidence impairment, a new unbounded interpretation. First, by reading clause (c)(2) in isolation, and glossing over key terms, he construes the clause as a freestanding, all-encompassing provision prohibiting any act influencing a proceeding if done With an improper motive. Second, in a further unprecedented step, Mueller would apply this sweeping prohibition to facially-lawful acts taken by public officials exercising of their discretionary powers if those acts influence a proceeding. Thus, under this theory, simply by exercising his Constitutional discretion in a facially-lawful way — for example, by removing or appointing an official; using his prosecutorial discretion to give direction on a case; or using his pardoning power — a President can be accused of committing a crime based solely on his subjective state of mind. As a result, any discretionary act by a President that influences a proceeding can become the subject of a criminal grand jury investigation, probing whether the President acted with an improper motive.
If embraced by the Department, this theory would have potentially disastrous implications, not just for the Presidency, but for the Executive branch as a whole and for the Department in particular. While Mueller’s focus is the President’s discretionary actions, his theory would apply to all exercises of prosecutorial discretion by the President’s subordinates, from the Attorney General down to the most junior line prosecutor. Simply by giving direction on a case, or class of cases, an official opens himself to the charge that he has acted with an “improper” motive and thus becomes subject to a criminal investigation. Moreover, the challenge to Comey’s removal shows that not just prosecutorial decisions are at issue. Any personnel or management decisions taken by an official charged with supervising and conducting litigation and enforcement matters in the Executive branch can become grist for the criminal mill based solely on the official’s subjective state of mind. All that is needed is a claim that a supervisor is acting with an improper purpose and any act arguably constraining a case — such as removing a U.S. Attorney — could be cast as a crime of obstruction.
It is inconceivable to me that the Department could accept Mueller’s interpretation of It is untenable as a matter of law and cannot provide a legitimate basis for interrogating the President. I know you will agree that, if a DOJ investigation is going to take down a democratically-elected President, it is imperative to the health of our system and to our national cohesion that any claim of wrongdoing is solidly based on evidence of a real crime — not a
debatable one. It is time to travel well-worn paths; not to veer into novel, unsettled or contested areas of the law; and not to indulge the fancies by overly-zealous prosecutors.
As elaborated on below, Mueller’s theory should be rejected for the following reasons:
First; the sweeping interpretation being proposed for 1512’s residual clause is contrary to the statute’s plain meaning and would directly contravene the Department’s longstanding and consistent position that generally-worded statutes like 1512 cannot be applied to the President’s exercise of his constitutional powers in the absence of a “clear statement” in the statute that such an application was intended.
Second, Mueller’s premise that, whenever an investigation touches on the President’s own conduct, it is inherently “corrupt” under 1512 for the President to influence that matter is insupportable. In granting plenary law enforcement powers to the President, the Constitution places no such limit on the President’s supervisory authority. Moreover, such a limitation cannot be reconciled with the Department’s longstanding position that the “conflict of interest” laws do not, and cannot, apply to the President, since to apply them would impermissibly “disempower” the President from supervising a class of cases that the Constitution grants him the authority to supervise.
Third, defining facially-lawful exercises of Executive discretion as potential crimes, based solely on subjective motive, would violate Article Il of the Constitution by impermissibly burdening the exercise of core discretionary powers within the Executive branch.
Fourth, even if one were to indulge Mueller’s obstruction theory, in the particular circumstances here, the President’s motive in removing Comey and commenting on Flynn could not have been “corrupt” unless the President and his campaign were actually guilty of illegal collusion. Because the obstruction claim is entirely dependent on first finding collusion, Mueller should not be permitted to interrogate the President about obstruction until has enough evidence to establish collusion.
  1. The Statute’s Plain Meaning, and “the Clear Statement” Rule Long Adhered To By the Department, Preclude Its Application to Facially-Lawful Exercises of the President’s Constitutional Discretion.
The unbounded construction Mueller would give *1512 ‘s residual clause is contrary to the provision’s text, structure, and legislative history. By its terms, 51512 focuses exclusively on actions that subvert the truth-finding function of a proceeding by impairing the availability or integrity of evidence — testimonial, documentary, or physical. Thus, 51512 proscribes a litany of specifically-defined acts of obstruction, including killing a witness, threatening a witness to prevent or alter testimony, destroying or altering documentary or physical evidence, and harassing a witness to hinder testimony. All of these enumerated acts are “obstructive” in precisely the same way — they interfere with a proceeding’s ability to gather complete and reliable evidence.
The question here is whether the phrase — “or corruptly otherwise obstructs” — in clause (c)(2) is divorced from the litany of the specific prohibitions in 1512, and is thus a free-standing, all-encompassing prohibition reaching any act that influences a proceeding, or whether the clause’ s prohibition against “otherwise” obstructing is somehow tied to, and limited by, the character of all the other forms of obstruction listed in the statute. I think it is clear that use of the word “otherwise” in the residual clause expressly links the clause to the forms of obstruction specifically defined elsewhere in the provision. Unless it serves that pumose, the word “otherwise” does no work at all and is mere surplusage. Mueller’s interpretation of the residual clause as covering any and all acts that influence a proceeding reads the word “otherwise” out of the statute altogether. But any proper interpretation of the clause must give effect to the word “otherwise;” it must do some work.
As the Supreme Court has suggested, Begay v. United States, 553 U.S. 137, 142-143 (2008), when Congress enumerates various specific acts constituting a crime and then follows that enumeration with a residual clause, introduced with the words “or otherwise,” then the more general action referred to immediately after the word “otherwise” is most naturally understood to cover acts that cause a similar kind of result as the preceding listed examples, but cause those results in a different manner. In other words, the specific examples enumerated prior to the residual clause are typically read as refining or limiting in some way the broader catch-all tenn used in the residual clause. See also Yates v. United States, 135 S.Ct. 1074, 1085-87 (2015). As the Begay Court observed, if Congress meant the residual clause to be so all-encompassing that it subsumes all the preceding enumerated examples, “it is hard to see why it would have needed to include the examples at all.” 553 U.S. at 142; see McDonnellv. United States, 136 s.ct. 2355, 2369 (2016). An example suffices to make the point: If a statute prohibits “slapping, punching, kicking, biting, gouging eyes, or otherwise hurting” another person, the word “hurting” in the residual clause would naturally be understood as referring to the same kind of physical injury inflicted by the enumerated acts, but inflicted in a different way — i.e., pulling hair. It normally would not be understood as referring to any kind of “hurting,” such as hurting another’s feelings, or hurting another’s economic interests.
Consequently, under the statute’s plain language and structure, the most natural and plausible reading of is that it covers acts that have the same kind of obstructive impact as the listed forms of obstruction — i.e., impairing the availability or integrity of evidence — but cause this impairment in a different way than the enumerated actions do. Under this construction, then, the “catch all” language in clause (c)(2) encompasses any conduct, even if not specifically described in 1512, that is directed at undermining a proceeding’s truth-finding function through actions impairing the integrity and availability of evidence. Indeed, this is how the residual clause has been applied. From a quick review of the cases, it appears all the cases have involved attempts to interfere with, or render false, the evidence that would become available to a proceeding. Even the more esoteric applications of clause (c)(2) have been directed against attempts to prevent the flow of evidence to a proceeding. E.g., United States v. Volpendesto, 746 F.3d 273 (7th Cir. tips from corrupt cops to evade surveillance); United States v. Phillips, 583 F.3d 1261 (10th Cir. 2009)(disclosing identity of undercover agent to subject of grand jury drug investigation). As far as I can tell, no case has ever treated as an “obstruction” an official’s exercise of prosecutorial discretion or an official’s management or personnel actions collaterally affecting a proceeding.
Further, reading the residual clause as an all-encompassing proscription cannot be reconciled either with the other subsections of S 1512, or with the other obstruction provisions in Title 18 that must be read in pari passu with those in 1512. Given Mueller’s sweeping interpretation, clause (c)(2) would render all the specific terms in clause (c)(l) surplusage; moreover, it would swallow up all the specific prohibitions in the remainder of S 1512 — subsections (a), (b), and (d). More than that, it would subsume virtually all other obstruction provisions in Title 18. For example, it would supervene the omnibus clause in 1503, applicable to pending judicial proceedings, as well as the omnibus clause in 1505, applicable to pending proceedings before agencies and Congress. Construing the residual clause in 1512(c)(2) as supplanting these provisions would eliminate the restrictions Congress built into those provisions — i.e., the requirement that a proceeding be “pending” — and would supplant the lower penalties in those provisions with the substantially higher penalties in 1512(c). It is not too much of an exaggeration to say that, if S 1512(c)(2) can be read as broadly as being proposed, then virtually all Federal obstruction law could be reduced to this single clause.
Needless to say, it is highly implausible that such a revolution in obstruction law was intended, or would have gone uncommented upon, when (c)(2) was enacted. On the contrary, the legislative history makes plain that Congress had a more focused purpose when it enacted (c)(2). That subsection was enacted in 2002 as part of the Sarbanes-Oxley Act. That statute was prompted by Enron’s massive accounting fraud and revelations that the company’s outside auditor, Arthur Andersen, had systematically destroyed potentially incriminating documents. Subsection (c) was added to Section 1512 explicitly as a “loophole” closer meant to address the fact that the existing section 1512(b) covers document destruction only where a defendant has induced another person to do it and does not address document destruction carried out by a defendant directly.
As reported to the Senate, the Corporate Fraud Accountability Act was expressly designed to “clarify and close loopholes in the existing criminal laws relating to the destruction or fabrication of evidence and the preservation of financial and audit records.” S. Rep. No. 107-146, at 14-15. Section 1512(c) did not exist as part of the original proposal. See S. 2010, 107th Cong. (2002). Instead, it was later introduced as an amendment by Senator Trent Lott in July 2002. 148 Cong. Rec. S6542 (daily ed. July 10, 2002). Senator Lott explained that, by adding new 1512(c), his proposed amendment:
would enact stronger laws against document shredding. Current law prohibits obstruction ofjustice by a defendant acting alone, but only if a proceeding is pending and a subpoena has been issued for the evidence that has been destroyed or altered …. [T]his section would allow the Government to charge obstruction against individuals who acted alone, even if the tampering took place prior to the issuance of a grand jury subpoena. I think this is something we need to make clear so we do not have a repeat of what we saw with the Enron matter earlier this year.
Id. at S6545 (statement of Sen. Lott) (emphasis supplied). Senator Offin Hatch, in support of Senator Lott’s amendment, explained that it would “close [] [the] loophole” created by the available obstruction statutes and hold criminally liable a person who, acting alone, destroys documents. Id. at S6550 (statement of Sen. Hatch). The legislative history thus confirms that 1512(c) was not intended as a sweeping provision supplanting wide swathes of obstruction law, but rather as a targeted gap-filler designed to strengthen prohibitions on the impairment of evidence.
Not only is an all-encompassing reading of contrary to the language and manifest purpose ofthe statute, but it is precluded by a fundamental canon of statutory construction applicable to statutes of this sort. Statutes must be construed with reference to the constitutional framework within which they operate. E.g., Gregory v. Ashcroft, 501 U.S. 452, 460 (1991). Reading 1512(c)(2) broadly to criminalize the President’s facially-lawful exercises of his removal authority and his prosecutorial discretion, based on probing his subjective state of mind for evidence of an “improper” motive, would obviously intrude deeply into core areas of the President’s constitutional powers. It is well-settled that statutes that do not expressly apply to the President must be construed as not applying to the President if such application would involve a
possible conflict with the President’s constitutional prerogatives. See, e.g., Franklin v. Massachusetts, 505 U.S. 788, 801 (1992). OLC has long rigorously enforced this “clear statement’S rule to limit the reach of broadly worded statutes so as to prevent undue intrusion into the President’s exercise of his Constitutional discretion.
As OLC has explained, the “clear statement” rule has two sources. First, it arises from the long-recognized “cardinal principle” of statut01Y interpretation that statutes be construed to avoid raising serious constitutional questions. Second, the rule exists to protect the “usual constitutional balance” between the branches contemplated by the Framers by “requir[ing] an express statement by Congress before assuming it intended” to impinge upon Presidential authority. Franklin, 505 U.S. at 801; see, e.g., Application of 28 U.S.C. 5458 to Presidential Appointments of Federal Judges, 19 op. O.L.C. 350 (1995).
This clear statement rule has been applied frequently by the Supreme Court as well as the Executive branch with respect to statutes that might otherwise, if one were to ignore the constitutional context, be susceptible of an application that would affect the President’s constitutional prerogatives. For instance, in Franklin the Court was called upon to determine whether the Administrative Procedure Act (“APA”), 5 U.S.C 701-706, authorized “abuse of discretion” review of final actions by the President. Even though the statute defined reviewable action in a way that facially could include the President, and did not list the President among the express exceptions to the APA, Justice O’Connor wrote for the Court:
[t]he President is not [expressly] excluded from the APA’s purview, but he is not explicitly included, either. Out of respect for the separation of powers and the unique constitutional position of the President, we find that textual silence is not enough to subject the President to the provisions of the APA. We would require an express statement by Congress before assuming it intended the President’s performance of his statutory duties to be reviewed for abuse of discretion.
505 U.S. at 800-01. To amplify, she continued, “[a]s the APA does not expressly allow review of the President’s actions, we must presume that his actions are not subject to its requirements. ” Id. at 801.
Similarly, in Public Citizen v. United States Dep’t of Justice, 491 U.S. 440 (1989), the Court held that the Federal Advisory Committee Act (“FACA”), 5 U.S.C. app. 2, does not apply to the judicial recommendation panels of the American Bar Association because interpreting the statute as applying to them would raise serious constitutional questions relating to the President’s constitutional appointment power. By its terms, FACA applied to any advisory committee used by an agency “in the interest of obtaining advice or recommendations for the President.” 5 U.S.C. app. 3(2(c). While acknowledging that a “straightforward reading” of the statute’s language would seem to require its application to the ABA committee, Public Citizen, 491 U.S. at 453, the Court held that such a reading was precluded by the “cardinal principle” that a statute be interpreted to avoid serious constitutional question.” Id. at 465-67. Notably, the majority stated, “[o]ur reluctance to decide constitutional issues is especially great where, as here, they concern the relative powers of coordinate branches of government,” and “[t]hat construing FACA to apply to the Justice Department’s consultations with the ABA Committee would present formidable constitutional difficulties is undeniable.” Id. at 466.
The Office of Legal Counsel has consistently “adhered to a plain statement rule: statutes that do not expressly apply to the President must be construed as not applying to the President, where applying the statute to the President would pose a significant question regarding the President’s constitutional prerogatives.” E.g, The Constitutional Separation of Powers Between the President and Congress, op. O.L.C. 124, 178 (1996); Application of 28 U.S.C. ‘458 to Presidential Appointments of Federal Judges, 19 Op. O.L.C. 350 (1995).
The Department has applied this principle to broadly-worded criminal statutes, like the one at issue here. Thus, in a closely analogous context, the Department has long held that the conflictof-interest statute, 18 U.S.C 208, does not apply to the President. That statute prohibits any “officer or employee of the executive branch” from “participat[ing] personally and substantially” in any particular matter in which he or she has a personal financial interest. Id In the leading opinion on the matter, then-Deputy Attorney General Laurence Silberman determined that the legislative history disclosed no intention to cover the President and doing so would raise “serious questions as to the constitutionality” of the statute, because the effect of applying the statute to the President would “disempower” the President from performing his constitutionally-prescribed functions as to certain matters . See Memorandum for Richard T. Burress, Office of the President, from Laurence H Silberman, Deputy Attorney General, Re: Conflict ofInterest Problems Arising out of the President’s Nomination ofNelson A. Rockefeller to be Vice President under the TwentyFifth Amendment to the Constitution at 2, 5 (Aug. 28, 1974).
Similarly, OLC opined that the Anti-Lobbying Act, 18 U.S.C. 1913, does not apply fully against the President. See Constraints Imposed by 18 U.S. C. 1913 on Lobbying Efforts, 13 Op. O.L.C. 300, 304-06 (1989). The Anti-Lobbying Act prohibits any appropriated funds from being “used directly or indirectly to pay for any personal service, advertisement, telegram, telephone, letter, printed or written matter, or other device, intended or designed to influence in any manner a Member of Congress.” 18 U.S.C. 1913. The statute provided an exception for communications by executive branch officers and employees if the communication was made pursuant to a request by a member of Congress or was a request to Congress for legislation or appropriations. OLC concluded that applying the Act as broadly as its terms would otherwise allow would raise serious constitutional questions as an infringement of the President’s Recommendations Clause power.
In addition to the “clear statement” rule, other canons of statutory construction preclude giving the residual clause in S the unbounded scope proposed by Mueller’s obstruction theory. As elaborated on in the ensuing section, to read the residual clause as extending beyond evidence impairment, and to apply it to any that “corruptly” affects a proceeding, would raise serious Due Process issues. Once divorced from the concrete standard of evidence impairment, the residual clause defines neither the crime’s actus reus (what conduct amounts to obstruction) nor its mens rea (what state of mind is “corrupt”) “with sufficient definiteness that ordinary people can understand what conduct is prohibited,” or “in a manner that does not encourage arbitrary and discriminatory enforcement.” See e.g. McDonnell v. United States, 136 S.Ct. at 2373. This vagueness defect becomes even more pronounced when the statute is applied to a wide range of public officials whose normal duties involve the exercise of prosecutorial discretion and the conduct and management of official proceedings. The “cardinal rule” that a statute be interpreted to avoid serious constitutional questions mandates rejection of the sweeping interpretation of the residual clause proposed by Mueller.
Even if the statute’s plain meaning, fortified by the “clear statement” rule, were not dispositive, the fact that 1512 is a criminal statute dictates a narrower reading than Mueller’s allencompassing interpretation. Even if the scope of 1512(c)(2) were ambiguous, under the “rule of lenity,” that ambiguity must be resolved against the Government’s broader reading. See, e.g., United States v. Granderson, 511 U.S. 39, 54 (1994) (“In these circumstances where text,
structure, and history fail to establish that the Government’s position is unambiguously correct we apply the rule of lenity and resolve the ambiguity in [the defendant’s] favor.”)
In sum, the sweeping construction of residual clause posited by Mueller’s obstruction theory is novel and extravagant. It is contrary to the statute’s plain language, structure, and legislative history. Such a broad reading would contravene the “clear statement” rule of statutory construction, which the Department has rigorously adhered to in interpreting statutes, like this one, that would otherwise intrude on Executive authority. By it terms, 1512 is intended to protect the truth-finding function of a proceeding by prohibiting acts that would impair the availability or integrity of evidence. The cases applying the fresidual clause” have fallen within this scope. The clause has never before been applied to facially-lawful discretionary acts of Executive branch official. Mueller’s overly-aggressive use of the obstruction laws should not be embraced by the Department and cannot support interrogation of the President to evaluate his subjective state of mind.
Il. Applying to Review Facially-Lawful Exercises of the President’s Removal Authority and Prosecutorial Discretion Would Impermissibly Infringe on the President’s Constitutional Authority and the Functioning of the Executive Branch.
This case implicates at least two broad discretionary powers vested by the Constitution exclusively in the President. First, in removing Comey as director of the FBI there is no question that the President was exercising one of his core authorities under the Constitution. Because the President has Constitutional responsibility for seeing that the laws are faithfully executed, it is settled that he has “illimitable” discretion to remove principal officers carrying out his Executive functions. See Free Enterprise Fund v. Public Company Accounting Oversight Board, 130 S.Ct. 3138, 3152 (2010); Myers v. United states, 272 U.s. 52 (1926). Similarly, in commenting to Comey about Flynn’s situation — to the extent it is taken as the President having placed his thumb on the scale in favor of lenity — the President was plainly within his plenary discretion over the prosecution function. The Constitution vests all Federal law enforcement power, and hence prosecutorial discretion, in the President. The President’s discretion in these areas has long been considered “absolute,” and his decisions exercising this discretion are presumed to be regular and are generally deemed non-reviewable. See, e.g., United States v. Armstrong, 517 U.S. 456, 464 (1996); United States v. Nixon, 418 U.S. 683, 693 (1974); see generally S. Prakash, The Chief Prosecutor, 73 Geo. Wash. L. Rev. 521 (2005)
The central problem with Mueller’s interpretation of is that, instead of applying the statute to inherently wrongful acts of evidence impairment, he would now define the actus reus of obstruction as any act, including facially lawful acts, that influence a proceeding. However, the Constitution vests plenary authority over law enforcement proceedings in the President, and therefore one of the President’s core constitutional authorities is precisely to make decisions “influencing” proceedings. In addition, the Constitution vests other discretionary powers in the President that can have a collateral influence on proceedings — including the power of appointment, removal, and pardon. The crux of Mueller’s position is that, whenever the President exercises any of these discretionary powers and thereby “influences” a proceeding, he has completed the actus reus of the crime of obstruction. To establish guilt, all that remains is evaluation of the President’s state of mind to divine whether he acted with a “corrupt” motive.
Construed in this manner, would violate Article Il of the Constitution in at least two respects:
First, Mueller’s premise appears to be that, when a proceeding is looking into the President’s own conduct, it would be “corrupt” within the meaning of for the President to attempt to influence that proceeding. In other words, Mueller seems to be claiming that the obstruction statute effectively walls off the President from exercising Constitutional powers over cases in which his own conduct is being scrutinized. This premise is clearly wrong constitutionally. Nor can it be
reconciled with the Department’s longstanding position that the “conflict of interest” laws do not,
and cannot, apply to the President, since to apply them would impermissibly “disempower” the President from supervising a class of cases that the Constitution grants him the authority to supervise. Under the Constitution, the President’s authority over law enforcement matters is necessarily all-encompassing, and Congress may not exscind certain matters from the scope of his responsibilities. The Framers’ plan contemplates that the President’s law enforcement powers
extend to all matters, including those in which he had a personal stake, and that the proper mechanism for policing the President’s faithful exercise of that discretion is the political process — that is, the People, acting either directly, or through their elected representatives in Congress.
Second, quite apart from this misbegotten effort to “disempower” the President from acting on matters in which he has an interest, defining facially-lawful exercises of Executive discretion as potential crimes, based solely on the President’s subjective motive, would violate Article Il of the Constitution by impermissibly burdening the exercise of core discretionary powers within the Executive branch. The prospect of criminal liability based solely on the official’s state of mind, coupled with the indefinite standards of “improper motive” and “obstruction,” would cast a pall over a wide range of Executive decision-making, chill the exercise of discretion, and expose to intrusive and free-ranging examination of the President’s (and his subordinate’s) subjective state of mind in exercising that discretion.
  1. Section May Not “Disempower” the Presidentfrom Exercising His Law Enforcement Authority Over a Particular Class ofMatters.
As discussed further below, a fatal flaw in Mueller’s interpretation of is that, while defining obstruction solely as acting “corruptly,” Mueller offers no definition of what “corruptly” means. It appears, however, that Mueller has in mind particular circumstances that he feels may give rise to possible “corruptness” in the current matter. His tacit premise appears to be that, when an investigation is looking into the President’s own conduct, it would be “corrupt” for the President to attempt to influence that investigation.
On a superficial level, this outlook is unsurprising: at first blush it accords with the old Roman maxim that a man should not be the judge in his own case and, because “conflict-ofinterest” laws apply to all the President’s subordinates, DOJ prosecutors are steeped in the notion that it is illegal for an official to touch a case in which he has a personal stake. But constitutionally,
as applied to the President, this mindset is entirely misconceived: there is no legal prohibition — as opposed a political constraint against the President’s acting on a matter in which he has a personal stake.
The Constitution itself places no limit on the President’s authority to act on matters which concern him or his own conduct. On the contrary, the Constitution’s grant of law enforcement power to the President is plenary. Constitutionally, it is wrong to conceive of the President as simply the highest officer within the Executive branch hierarchy. He alone is the Executive branch. As such, he is the sole repository of all Executive powers conferred by the Constitution. Thus, the full measure of law enforcement authority is placed in the President’s hands, and no limit is placed on the kinds of cases subject to his control and supervision. While the President has subordinates –the Attorney General and DOJ lawyers who exercise prosecutorial discretion on his behalf, they are merely “his hand,” Ponzi v. Fessenden, 258 U.S. 254, 262 (1922) — the discretion they exercise is the President’s discretion, and their decisions are legitimate precisely because they remain under his supervision, and he is still responsible and politically accountable for them.
Nor does any statute purport to restrict the President’s authority over matters in which he has an interest. On the contrary, in 1974, the Department concluded that the conflict-of interestlaws cannot be construed as applying to the President, expressing “serious doubt as to the constitutionality” of a statute that sought “to disempower” the President from acting over particular matters. Letter to Honorable Howard W. Cannon from Acting Attorney General Laurence H. Silberman, dated September 20, 1974; and Memorandum for Richard T. Burress, Office of the President, from Laurence H. Silberman, Deputy Attorney General, Re: Conflict of Interest Problems Arising out of the President’s Nomination ofNelson A. Rockefeller to be Vice President under the Twenty-Fifth Amendment to the Constitution at 2, 5 (Aug. 28, 1974). As far as I am aware, this is the only instance in which it has previously been suggested that a statute places a class of law enforcement cases “off limits” to the President’s supervision based on his personal interest in the matters. The Department rejected that suggestion on the ground that Congress could not “disempower” the President from exercising his supervisory authority over such matters. For all the same reasons, Congress could not make it a crime for the President to exercise supervisory authority over cases in which his own conduct might be at issue.
The illimitable nature ofthe President’s law enforcement discretion stems not just from the Constitution’s plenary grant of those powers to the President, but also from the “unitary” character of the Executive branch itself. Because the President alone constitutes the Executive branch, the President cannot “recuse” himself. Just as Congress could not en masse recuse itself, leaving no source of the Legislative power, the President cannot take a holiday from his responsibilities. It is in the very nature of discretionary power that ultimate authority for making the choice must be vested in some final decision-maker. At the end of the day, there frilly must be a desk at which “the buck stops.” In the Executive, final responsibility must rest with the President. Thus, the President, “though able to delegate duties to others, cannot delegate ultimate responsibility or the active obligation to supervise that goes with it.” Free Enterprise Fund v. Public Co. Acctg. Oversight Bd., 130 S. ct. 3138, 3154 (2010) (quoting Clinton v. Jones, 520 U.s. 681, 712-713 (1997) (Breyer, J., concurring in judgment)) (emphasis added).
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With all respect I am wondering how many take their time to burn through this text.

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On July 2 there is a total solar eclipse on AOC's Jupiter.

The July eclipse to her secondary progressed natal in D.C. may be more active. It is also the month that a lunar
eclipse is right on tRump's natal Saturn (115°43') on July 16 and he has a progressed New Moon in right ascension (154°49') on
July 25. I don't think the combination bodes well for him.

It is July when I think the beginning of the end for tRump really starts. I think he will be gone in January 2020
(6 months later) when The Sun, Saturn, and Pluto conjunct the eclipse Moon and oppose the eclipse Sun and
his natal Saturn.

July is hot and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J91ti_MpdHA
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On July 2 there is a total solar eclipse on AOC's Jupiter.

The July eclipse to her secondary progressed natal in D.C. may be more active. It is also the month that a lunar
eclipse is right on tRump's natal Saturn (115°43') on July 16 and he has a progressed New Moon (115°57') on
July 25. I don't think the combination bodes well for him.

It is July when I think the beginning of the end for tRump really starts. I think he will be gone in January 2020
(6 months later) when The Sun, Saturn, and Pluto conjunct the eclipse Moon and oppose the eclipse Sun and
his natal Saturn.

July is hot and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J91ti_MpdHA
AOC is a pretty bimbo. I can understand your crush on her. I find her hilarious myself although that voice of hers is very grating. Like a teenage babysitter.

You and mainstream propaganda media have been predicting 'the end of Trump' for years! It's no wonder most people don't believe in astrology.
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All the Trump campaign has to do is make commercials showing clips at this event and black voters will flock to him.
I defy anyone to watch these people tell their stories and not get a bit teary-eyed.

Mainstream media never shows Trump like this which is a shame because it might explain to their confused viewers why our president is so beloved by his supporters and why he will be re-elected with even more votes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9K8...A&index=2&t=0s

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Not bad, for a condescending, smarmy talk-show host.
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Why did you try a right wing tactic of making something out to be something it is not?

My link to the song "Girl On Fire" was because of Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y.'s
meteoric political rise from a person recognized by only family and friends to one who is
now recognized around the world in less than a year. Media wise the woman is a 'girl
on fire' and it is because of her accomplishments, not her looks - unseating a ten-term
incumbent Congressman, (a prodigious accomplishment) being featured in media
articles and videos more than most members of Congress, incumbent or new, since
arriving in that body and to quite an extent because of right wing focus on her. But you
tried to twist my post into a sensual, therefore sexual, thing by posting that you
understood I had a crush on her because she is "pretty". I don't. Some of your noted,
shallow, 'alternative facts'.

My target date for tRump leaving office has been the same for 2 1/2 years and it is not
here yet. It may be 'in the park" close to the actual date as there are a slew of dates in
the last 3 weeks of January 2020 that are very negative for him. Another attempt to
twist the truth by not explaining about that fact regarding the date consistently
repeated in my forecast.

Thankfully, in less than a year, many of tRump's supporters will stop posting.

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AOC is a pretty bimbo. I can understand your crush on her. I find her hilarious myself although that voice of hers is very grating. Like a teenage babysitter.

You and mainstream propaganda media have been predicting 'the end of Trump' for years! It's no wonder most people don't believe in astrology.
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Ocasional-Cortex said the Republicans amended the Constitution to prevent FDR from running for a fifth term. FDR died in 1945. The 22nd Amendment was added in 1947.

She's a laugh a minute!
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Former bartender AOC railed against dark money in politics and called for transparency.

The complaint also alleges that Ocasio-Cortez was the beneficiary of a “subsidy scheme” operated by Justice Democrats, Brand New Congress PAC and Brand New Congress LLC, which enabled her to campaign to “evade contribution limits” and receive “heavily subsidized services at well below market value.”

Backer told TheDCNF: “No matter how they try to frame their scheme, the activities of [Justice Democrats] PAC and [Ocasio-Cortez] for Congress resulted in coordinated expenditures millions of dollars beyond the contribution limits that they failed to properly report, violating contribution limits, disclaimer requirements, and reporting requirements.”

She's a real DemocRat all right. Do as Dems say, not as they do.
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Ocasional-Cortex said the Republicans amended the Constitution to prevent FDR from running for a fifth term. FDR died in 1945. The 22nd Amendment was added in 1947.

She's a laugh a minute!
This anti-alternative energy, fossil fuel-loving "President" says the sound of energy-producing windmills causes cancer!!!
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