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I have sun in Aquarius.
I don't view it as a big debility.
Aquarians can come across as somewhat aloof
or not fully present to the other person, but on planet Aquarius
we are the normal ones.
"normal planet Aquarius people" such as the following

Very Idham Henyansyah AQUARIUS serial killer born February 1st 1978
Jombang, Jawa Timur, Indonesia received a college degree, married Eny Wijaya
had no children, was homosexual
aka the Singing Serial Killer
aka Ryan, the artistic name he adopted while awaiting his execution in prison.
Henyansyah recorded an album and wrote his autobiography while in prison.
Seven pieces of a human body found in bags hidden in two locations
near Ragunan Zoo in South Jakarta on Saturday 12 July 2008.
He was arrested 15 July 2008 Age 30
convicted on 6 April 2009 Age 31
sentenced to death by firing squad at Kesambi Penitentiary, Cirebon, Indonesia.
Henyansyah confessed to murdering 11 people including a toddler.
Henyansyah buried 10 of his victims at his parents' home in the backyard
while the last one was butchered and hidden at the zoo.
He was known to rob, mutilate his victims whom he killed at both his home
and the home of the victim.
He would keep personal items from the victim after the crime.
His autobiography is listed on google books
although there is no way to purchase or preview the book.

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Re: Sun in Essential Detriment in Tropical Aquarius

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"normal planet Aquarius people" such as the following
Hi JUIPTERASC.

My Kepler database does not have a large number of serial killers and none had Aquarian Suns.

You keep listing serial killers with Aquarian Suns, but not once have you attempted or even show that the Aquarian Sun is the causal factor.

Statistically, you will find serial killers with Leo Suns, and here are some in all signs:

ARIES
1. Wayne “The Vampire Rapist” Boden … 3 victims
2. Joseph “The Racist Killer” Franklin … 7-22 victims
3. Donald Harvey … 37-57 victims
4. Keith “The Happy Face Killer” Jespersen … 8 victims
5. Paul “The Casanova Killer” Knowles … 18-35+ victims
6. Herbert Mullin … 13 victims
7. Charles “The Serpent” Sobhraj … 12+ victims
8. Christopher “The Beauty Queen Killer” Wilder … 8-9+ victims
TAURUS
1. Martha “The Lonely Hearts Killer” Beck … 3-17 victims
2. Albert “The Moon Maniac” Fish … 3-9+victims
3. Amy Archer-Gilligan … 10-50 victims
4. H. H. “The Torture Doctor” Holmes … 9-200 victims
5. Earle “The Gorilla Killer” Nelson … 22+ victims
GEMINI
1. David “Son of Sam” Berkowitz … 6 victims
2. Kenneth “The Hillside Strangler” Bianchi … 12 victims
3. Richard “The Dracula Killer” Chase … 7 victims
4. John “The Michigan Co-Ed Killer” Collins … 1-7+ victims
5. Jeffrey “The Milwaukee Cannibal” Dahmer … 17 victims
6. Peter “The Monster of Dusseldorf” Kurten … 9+ victims
7. Leonard Lake … 11-25 victims
8. Danny “The Gainesville Ripper” Rolling … 8 victims
9. Arthur “The Monster of the Rivers” Shawcross … 14 victims
10. Peter “The Yorkshire Ripper” Sutcliffe … 9+ victims
11. Wayne “The Atlanta Child Killer” Williams … 23-29 victims
12. Robert Lee Yates … 16 victims
CANCER
1. John Reginald “The Monster of Rillington Place” Christie … 8 victims
2. Gary Heidnik … 2+ victims
3. Genene Jones … 2-60 victims
4. Carl Panzram … 5-22 victims
LEO
1. John “The Acid Bath Killer” Haigh … 6-9 victims
2. Myra “The Moors Murderer” Hindley … 5 victims
3. Anthony “The Cleveland Strangler” Sowell … 11 victims
VIRGO
1. Rodney “The Dating Game Killer” Alcala … 8-130 victims
2. Richard “The Angel of Death” Angelo … 8 victims
3. Paul “The Schoolgirl Killer” Bernardo … 3-4 victims
4. Richard “The Thrill Killer” Biegenwald … 6-9+ victims
5. Albert “The Boston Strangler” DeSalvo … 13 victims
6. Ed “Psycho” Gein … 2+ victims
7. Harrison Graham … 7 victims
8. Henry Lee Lucas … 157+ victims
9. Gerald Stano … 22-41+ victims
10. Marybeth “The Bad Mom” Tinning … 1-9 victims
LIBRA
1. Angelo “The Hillside Strangler” Buono, Jr. … 12 victims
2. Gerald “The Love Slave Killer” Gallego … 10 victims
3. Patrick “The Freeway Killer” Kearney … 21-43 victims
4. Bobby Joe “The Classified Ad Rapist” Long … 10+ victims
SCORPIO
1. Alton Coleman … 8 victims
2. Nannie “The Giggling Granny” Doss … 11 victims
3. Belle “Hell’s Belle” Gunness … 40+ victims
4. William “The Lipstick Killer” Heirens … 3 victims
5. Charles Manson … 7 victims
6. Carl Eugene “The Sunday Morning Slasher” Watts … 22-100 victims
SAGITTARIUS
1. Ted Bundy … 30-36+ victims
2. Alton Coleman … 8 victims
3. Richard “The Torso Killer” Cottingham … 6+ victims
4. Carlton “The Stocking Strangler” Gary … 7 victims
5. Edmund “The Co-Ed Butcher” Kemper … 10 victims
6. Dennis “The Monochrome Man” Nilsen … 12-15 victims
CAPRICORN
1. Joe “The Alligator Man” Ball … 2-20 victims
2. William Bonin … 21-36+ victims
3. Ian “The Moors Murderer” Brady … 5 victims
4. Dean “The Candy Man” Corll … 28+ victims
5. Vincent “The Brooklyn Strangler” Johnson … 5 victims
6. Charles Ng … 11-25 victims
AQUARIUS
1. Jerry “The Lust Killer” Brudos … 4 victims
2. Robert “The Butcher Baker” Hansen … 17-21+ victims
3. Derrick Todd “The Baton Rouge Serial Killer” Lee … 7+ victims
4. Joel Rifkin … 9-17+ victims
PISCES
1. John Wayne “The Clown Killer” Gacy … 33-34 victims
2. Donald Henry “The Meanest Man in America” Gaskins … 9+ victims
3. Randy Steven “The Scorecard Killer” Kraft … 16-67 victims
4. Richard “The Night Stalker” Ramirez … 14 victims
5 Ottis Toole … 6+ victims
6. Gary “The Green River Killer” Ridgway … 49-90+ victims
7. Dennis “The BTK Killer” Rader … 10 victims
8. Dorothea “The Death House Landlady” Puente … 3-9 victims
9. Douglas “The Sunset Slayer” Clark … 7 victims
10. Raymond “The Lonely Hearts Killer” Fernandez … 3-17 victims
11. Christopher “The Beauty Queen Killer” Wilder … 8-9+ victims
12. Aileen Wuornos … 7 victims

You may keep listing them if you wish, but you just look foolish.

You have failed to show Sun in Aquarius is in detriment, so let's dispense with the stupidity already.
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Hi JUIPTERASC.

My Kepler database does not have a large number of serial killers and none had Aquarian Suns.

You keep listing serial killers with Aquarian Suns, but not once have you attempted or even show that the Aquarian Sun is the causal factor.

Statistically, you will find serial killers with Leo Suns, and here are some in all signs:

ARIES
1. Wayne “The Vampire Rapist” Boden … 3 victims
2. Joseph “The Racist Killer” Franklin … 7-22 victims
3. Donald Harvey … 37-57 victims
4. Keith “The Happy Face Killer” Jespersen … 8 victims
5. Paul “The Casanova Killer” Knowles … 18-35+ victims
6. Herbert Mullin … 13 victims
7. Charles “The Serpent” Sobhraj … 12+ victims
8. Christopher “The Beauty Queen Killer” Wilder … 8-9+ victims
TAURUS
1. Martha “The Lonely Hearts Killer” Beck … 3-17 victims
2. Albert “The Moon Maniac” Fish … 3-9+victims
3. Amy Archer-Gilligan … 10-50 victims
4. H. H. “The Torture Doctor” Holmes … 9-200 victims
5. Earle “The Gorilla Killer” Nelson … 22+ victims
GEMINI
1. David “Son of Sam” Berkowitz … 6 victims
2. Kenneth “The Hillside Strangler” Bianchi … 12 victims
3. Richard “The Dracula Killer” Chase … 7 victims
4. John “The Michigan Co-Ed Killer” Collins … 1-7+ victims
5. Jeffrey “The Milwaukee Cannibal” Dahmer … 17 victims
6. Peter “The Monster of Dusseldorf” Kurten … 9+ victims
7. Leonard Lake … 11-25 victims
8. Danny “The Gainesville Ripper” Rolling … 8 victims
9. Arthur “The Monster of the Rivers” Shawcross … 14 victims
10. Peter “The Yorkshire Ripper” Sutcliffe … 9+ victims
11. Wayne “The Atlanta Child Killer” Williams … 23-29 victims
12. Robert Lee Yates … 16 victims
CANCER
1. John Reginald “The Monster of Rillington Place” Christie … 8 victims
2. Gary Heidnik … 2+ victims
3. Genene Jones … 2-60 victims
4. Carl Panzram … 5-22 victims
LEO
1. John “The Acid Bath Killer” Haigh … 6-9 victims
2. Myra “The Moors Murderer” Hindley … 5 victims
3. Anthony “The Cleveland Strangler” Sowell … 11 victims
VIRGO
1. Rodney “The Dating Game Killer” Alcala … 8-130 victims
2. Richard “The Angel of Death” Angelo … 8 victims
3. Paul “The Schoolgirl Killer” Bernardo … 3-4 victims
4. Richard “The Thrill Killer” Biegenwald … 6-9+ victims
5. Albert “The Boston Strangler” DeSalvo … 13 victims
6. Ed “Psycho” Gein … 2+ victims
7. Harrison Graham … 7 victims
8. Henry Lee Lucas … 157+ victims
9. Gerald Stano … 22-41+ victims
10. Marybeth “The Bad Mom” Tinning … 1-9 victims
LIBRA
1. Angelo “The Hillside Strangler” Buono, Jr. … 12 victims
2. Gerald “The Love Slave Killer” Gallego … 10 victims
3. Patrick “The Freeway Killer” Kearney … 21-43 victims
4. Bobby Joe “The Classified Ad Rapist” Long … 10+ victims
SCORPIO
1. Alton Coleman … 8 victims
2. Nannie “The Giggling Granny” Doss … 11 victims
3. Belle “Hell’s Belle” Gunness … 40+ victims
4. William “The Lipstick Killer” Heirens … 3 victims
5. Charles Manson … 7 victims
6. Carl Eugene “The Sunday Morning Slasher” Watts … 22-100 victims
SAGITTARIUS
1. Ted Bundy … 30-36+ victims
2. Alton Coleman … 8 victims
3. Richard “The Torso Killer” Cottingham … 6+ victims
4. Carlton “The Stocking Strangler” Gary … 7 victims
5. Edmund “The Co-Ed Butcher” Kemper … 10 victims
6. Dennis “The Monochrome Man” Nilsen … 12-15 victims
CAPRICORN
1. Joe “The Alligator Man” Ball … 2-20 victims
2. William Bonin … 21-36+ victims
3. Ian “The Moors Murderer” Brady … 5 victims
4. Dean “The Candy Man” Corll … 28+ victims
5. Vincent “The Brooklyn Strangler” Johnson … 5 victims
6. Charles Ng … 11-25 victims
AQUARIUS
1. Jerry “The Lust Killer” Brudos … 4 victims
2. Robert “The Butcher Baker” Hansen … 17-21+ victims
3. Derrick Todd “The Baton Rouge Serial Killer” Lee … 7+ victims
4. Joel Rifkin … 9-17+ victims
PISCES
1. John Wayne “The Clown Killer” Gacy … 33-34 victims
2. Donald Henry “The Meanest Man in America” Gaskins … 9+ victims
3. Randy Steven “The Scorecard Killer” Kraft … 16-67 victims
4. Richard “The Night Stalker” Ramirez … 14 victims
5 Ottis Toole … 6+ victims
6. Gary “The Green River Killer” Ridgway … 49-90+ victims
7. Dennis “The BTK Killer” Rader … 10 victims
8. Dorothea “The Death House Landlady” Puente … 3-9 victims
9. Douglas “The Sunset Slayer” Clark … 7 victims
10. Raymond “The Lonely Hearts Killer” Fernandez … 3-17 victims
11. Christopher “The Beauty Queen Killer” Wilder … 8-9+ victims
12. Aileen Wuornos … 7 victims

You may keep listing them if you wish, but you just look foolish.

You have failed to show Sun in Aquarius is in detriment, so let's dispense with the stupidity already.
you have failed to show that the sun is not in detriment in Aquarius

so by all means cease the stupidity
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Hi JUIPTERASC.

My Kepler database does not have a large number of serial killers and none had Aquarian Suns.
obviously a debility for Kepler database users
who for some reason are being given incomplete data

here's another not on Kepler database
born Enriqueta Martí y Ripollés 2 February 1868 inSant Feliu de Llobregat
city and municipality in Catalonia, Spain, in the province of Barcelona
was a Self-proclaimed witch abducted, prostituted, murdered
and made potions with the bodies of small children that she sold in Barcelona.
Aka The Vampire of the Raval aka The Vampire of Barcelona
was active for 13 years between 1900-1912,
Heterosexual married then separated had no children, known to work as a prostitute, procurer
she was known to commit acts of vampirism
Remains of 12 different children were identified in her home
but she is believed to have murdered more.
She was arrested on 27 February 1912 Age 44
sentenced tobut never tried murdered in prison by fellow inmates
at Reina Amàlia jail, Barcelona, Spain while awaiting trial in 1913.
died on May 12th 1913 Age 45, cause of death: homicide, Lynched by other inmates
in Reina Amàlia jail, Barcelona, Spain.
She is buried at Montjuïc Cemetery, cemetery.
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You keep listing serial killers with Aquarian Suns, but
not once have you attempted
or even show that the Aquarian Sun is the causal factor.
you keep saying you cannot find any Aquarius Sun serial killers
on your paltry Kepler database
you object when I post plentiful evidence of Aquarius Sun serial killers
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Hi david starling,
Cazimi is an Arabic thing. Rhetorius doesn't use it and neither do early astrologers. For them, a planet is either under Sun's rays or not. If a planet is conjunct Sun, that's joining.
For Cazimi, it's Sun who strengthens the planet, not the planet strengthening Sun.

I simply could not find
anyone with an Aquarian Sun
who suffered
or was a criminal.
The closest thing was Jimmy Hoffa
(a criminal union boss associated with organized crime who disappeared)
and Sharon Tate (Manson murders).

For Sharon Tate, it's not the Aquarian Sun. It's Aquarian Sun in H8 applying trine to retrograde H12 Saturn, Sun inconjunct Ascendant with Sun/Moon inconjunct, and Dragon's Tail and LOF in H8 make things worse. Chart Ruler Venus is in H8 inconjunct Ascendant and Moon and VOC. All that spells disaster.

For Jimmy Hoffa, it's not Aquarian Sun, it's Aquarian Sun in applying square to H4 Moon/Saturn conjunction. Same with Chart Ruler Mercury, who can't see H8. Capricorn Jupiter in H12 is no help. The other benefic Venus is no help, and H12 Capricorn Mars trine Moon/Saturn conjunction is destructive.

If Aquarian Sun was truly a detriment,
you'd expect to see more criminals,
more ne'er-do-wells and more infamous people,
but you see exactly the opposite.
Notable people with productive lives.
so I'm providing you with examples of AQUARIUS "infaous people"
who according to you are nowhere to be found
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you cannot find any Aquarius Sun serial killers
on your Kepler database
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I simply could not find
anyone with an Aquarian Sun
who suffered
or was a criminal.
The closest thing was Jimmy Hoffa
(a criminal union boss associated with organized crime who disappeared)
and Sharon Tate (Manson murders).

If Aquarian Sun was truly a detriment,
you'd expect to see more criminals,
more ne'er-do-wells and more infamous people,
but you see exactly the opposite.
Notable people with productive lives.
and so

another for the database
William Devin Howell AQUARIUS American serial killer known as the Sick Ripper
born 11th February 1970 in Hampton, Virginia, US
was convicted of murdering seven people in 2003.
Howell cut off the tips of a victims fingers and dismantled the bottom jaw of at least one of his victims.
One of his victims was strangled to death
after Howell realized the victim was transgender during a sexual act.
He disposed some of the bodies in a wooded area behind a shopping mall in New Britain, Connecticut.
Howell reportable told a fellow cellmate that there was a monster inside of him
and described himself as a sick ripper.
He was arrested 13 May 2005 Age 35, convicted 17 November 2017 Age 47
sentenced to life imprisonment, six consecutive terms
at the Cheshire Correctional Institution in Cheshire, Connecticut, US.
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you have failed to show that the sun is not in detriment in Aquarius

so by all means cease the stupidity
It just goes to show that generalizations are fun, but unreliable.
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It just goes to show that generalizations are fun, but unreliable.
you are entitled to your opinion
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Thanks! So are you.
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Thanks! So are you.
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Friedrich Schumann AQUARIUS German serial killer and rapist
known as the Massenmörder vom Falkenhagener born 1 February 1893 in Spandau, Berlin, Germany.
Mass Murderer of Falkenhagen Lake Schumann murdered at least six victims in Germany
between 1918 and 1919.
Schumann would target couples hiking in the Falkenhagener forest near the lake.
He would rob and shoot his victims, raping the female victims
. Schumann had numerous other charges including multiple charges of rape
where the victim was not murdered.
He was arrested 20 August 1920 Age 27, convicted on 13 July 1920 Age 27,
sentenced to death, decapitation with an axe
at Plötzensee Prison, Charlottenburg-Wilmersdorf, Berlin, Germany.
Schumann was executed by beheading in the courtyard of the Plötzensee Prison
by the Prussian executioner Carl Gröpler using an axe on 27 August 1921 Age 28
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Gary Ray Bowles is an American AQUARIUS serial killer born 25 January 1962 Clifton Forge, Virginia.
Bisexual, never married had no children, was known to abuse alcohol and drugs
and beat and strangled six men to death to steal their credit cards in 1994.
He was known to kill at the home of the victim.
At the time of his crimes he was living alone homeless in Florida, Georgia and Maryland
where he was known to work as a prostitute.
Bowles became a suspect after police found his fingerprints and probation records at a crime scene
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I would say Sun in Aqua is highly functional, and
good at overcoming adversity.
It's a good example
for exploring the concept of "debilities", which
may not be as bad as it sounds.

Bowles murdered five other men
in Nassau County, Florida; Jacksonville, Florida; Savannah, Georgia; Atlanta, Georgia; and Wheaton, Maryland.
Bowles was placed on the FBI's 10 Most Wanted Fugitive List.
Gary Ray Bowles was arrested 22 November 1994 Age 32
convicted 6 September 1996 Age 34
sentenced to death by electrocution at Union Correctional Institution, Florida State Prison
Raiford Prison in Raiford, Florida, US.
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Hi JUIPTERASC.

My Kepler database does not have a large number of serial killers and none had Aquarian Suns.

You keep listing serial killers with Aquarian Suns, but not once have you attempted or even show that the Aquarian Sun is the causal factor.

Statistically, you will find serial killers with Leo Suns, and here are some in all signs:

ARIES
1. Wayne “The Vampire Rapist” Boden … 3 victims
2. Joseph “The Racist Killer” Franklin … 7-22 victims
3. Donald Harvey … 37-57 victims
4. Keith “The Happy Face Killer” Jespersen … 8 victims
5. Paul “The Casanova Killer” Knowles … 18-35+ victims
6. Herbert Mullin … 13 victims
7. Charles “The Serpent” Sobhraj … 12+ victims
8. Christopher “The Beauty Queen Killer” Wilder … 8-9+ victims
TAURUS
1. Martha “The Lonely Hearts Killer” Beck … 3-17 victims
2. Albert “The Moon Maniac” Fish … 3-9+victims
3. Amy Archer-Gilligan … 10-50 victims
4. H. H. “The Torture Doctor” Holmes … 9-200 victims
5. Earle “The Gorilla Killer” Nelson … 22+ victims
GEMINI
1. David “Son of Sam” Berkowitz … 6 victims
2. Kenneth “The Hillside Strangler” Bianchi … 12 victims
3. Richard “The Dracula Killer” Chase … 7 victims
4. John “The Michigan Co-Ed Killer” Collins … 1-7+ victims
5. Jeffrey “The Milwaukee Cannibal” Dahmer … 17 victims
6. Peter “The Monster of Dusseldorf” Kurten … 9+ victims
7. Leonard Lake … 11-25 victims
8. Danny “The Gainesville Ripper” Rolling … 8 victims
9. Arthur “The Monster of the Rivers” Shawcross … 14 victims
10. Peter “The Yorkshire Ripper” Sutcliffe … 9+ victims
11. Wayne “The Atlanta Child Killer” Williams … 23-29 victims
12. Robert Lee Yates … 16 victims
CANCER
1. John Reginald “The Monster of Rillington Place” Christie … 8 victims
2. Gary Heidnik … 2+ victims
3. Genene Jones … 2-60 victims
4. Carl Panzram … 5-22 victims
LEO
1. John “The Acid Bath Killer” Haigh … 6-9 victims
2. Myra “The Moors Murderer” Hindley … 5 victims
3. Anthony “The Cleveland Strangler” Sowell … 11 victims
VIRGO
1. Rodney “The Dating Game Killer” Alcala … 8-130 victims
2. Richard “The Angel of Death” Angelo … 8 victims
3. Paul “The Schoolgirl Killer” Bernardo … 3-4 victims
4. Richard “The Thrill Killer” Biegenwald … 6-9+ victims
5. Albert “The Boston Strangler” DeSalvo … 13 victims
6. Ed “Psycho” Gein … 2+ victims
7. Harrison Graham … 7 victims
8. Henry Lee Lucas … 157+ victims
9. Gerald Stano … 22-41+ victims
10. Marybeth “The Bad Mom” Tinning … 1-9 victims
LIBRA
1. Angelo “The Hillside Strangler” Buono, Jr. … 12 victims
2. Gerald “The Love Slave Killer” Gallego … 10 victims
3. Patrick “The Freeway Killer” Kearney … 21-43 victims
4. Bobby Joe “The Classified Ad Rapist” Long … 10+ victims
SCORPIO
1. Alton Coleman … 8 victims
2. Nannie “The Giggling Granny” Doss … 11 victims
3. Belle “Hell’s Belle” Gunness … 40+ victims
4. William “The Lipstick Killer” Heirens … 3 victims
5. Charles Manson … 7 victims
6. Carl Eugene “The Sunday Morning Slasher” Watts … 22-100 victims
SAGITTARIUS
1. Ted Bundy … 30-36+ victims
2. Alton Coleman … 8 victims
3. Richard “The Torso Killer” Cottingham … 6+ victims
4. Carlton “The Stocking Strangler” Gary … 7 victims
5. Edmund “The Co-Ed Butcher” Kemper … 10 victims
6. Dennis “The Monochrome Man” Nilsen … 12-15 victims
CAPRICORN
1. Joe “The Alligator Man” Ball … 2-20 victims
2. William Bonin … 21-36+ victims
3. Ian “The Moors Murderer” Brady … 5 victims
4. Dean “The Candy Man” Corll … 28+ victims
5. Vincent “The Brooklyn Strangler” Johnson … 5 victims
6. Charles Ng … 11-25 victims
AQUARIUS
1. Jerry “The Lust Killer” Brudos … 4 victims
2. Robert “The Butcher Baker” Hansen … 17-21+ victims
3. Derrick Todd “The Baton Rouge Serial Killer” Lee … 7+ victims
4. Joel Rifkin … 9-17+ victims
PISCES
1. John Wayne “The Clown Killer” Gacy … 33-34 victims
2. Donald Henry “The Meanest Man in America” Gaskins … 9+ victims
3. Randy Steven “The Scorecard Killer” Kraft … 16-67 victims
4. Richard “The Night Stalker” Ramirez … 14 victims
5 Ottis Toole … 6+ victims
6. Gary “The Green River Killer” Ridgway … 49-90+ victims
7. Dennis “The BTK Killer” Rader … 10 victims
8. Dorothea “The Death House Landlady” Puente … 3-9 victims
9. Douglas “The Sunset Slayer” Clark … 7 victims
10. Raymond “The Lonely Hearts Killer” Fernandez … 3-17 victims
11. Christopher “The Beauty Queen Killer” Wilder … 8-9+ victims
12. Aileen Wuornos … 7 victims

You may keep listing them if you wish, but you just look foolish.

You have failed to show Sun in Aquarius is in detriment, so let's dispense with the stupidity already.
Hey AJ, got any serial killer listings for people with Jupiter on the Ascendant?
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or Pisces ascendant
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Robert Zoller, Aqua Sun and Pisces Ascendant. NOT a serial killer.
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I would say Sun in Aqua is highly functional, and
good at overcoming adversity.
It's a good example
for exploring the concept of "debilities", which
may not be as bad as it sounds.

for example

Zhou Kehua was a former mercenary soldier in Burma
born 6 February 1970 Jinkou Town, Shapingba District, Chongqing, municipality China.
was an AQUARIUS serial killer who targeted ATM users.
He killed 10 people and evaded the law for 8 years
then after a year-long manhunt
Zhou Kehua died 14 August 2012 Age 42
of ballistic trauma, shot dead by police
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So, you're saying Sun in Aquarius is inherently weak in some way or other, as a generalization?

I haven't noticed that in practice.

What evidence supports the theory in your experience
(not necessarily in your own case).
Yoshio Kodaira was a Japanese AQUARIUS
serial killer and rapist
born 28 January 1905 Tochigi, Tochigi Prefecture, Japan.
Kodaira Married, had no children
Kodaira killed his father-in-law in 1932
and eight to ten women in Japan between 1945 and 1946.
In the 1920s, Kodaira was deployed to Northern China
as a sailor in the Imperial Japanese Navy and participated in the Jinan incident.
Hetrosexual Kodaira engaged in acts of necrophilia with the corpse after the fifth murder
and stuck a sword into the belly of a pregnant woman.
He was arrested on 20 August 1946 Age 41, convicted on 16 November 1948 Age 43
sentenced to death by hanging
at Miyagi Prison in Wakabayashi-ku, Sendai, Miyagi Prefecture, Japan.
Yoshio Kodaira was executed by hanging on 5 October 1949 age 44
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It's a tolerant, individualistic attitude

which Aquarian Suns share with other Sun-signs.


Not seeing any Essential Detriment
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Manuel Delgado Villegas Spanish serial killer
and wandering AQUARIUS bisexual, necrophile criminal
born 25 January 1943 Seville, city in the province of Seville, Spain.
aka El Arropiero The Arrope Trader
and aka El Estrangulador del Puerto The Strangler of Puerto.
never married, had no children.
Villegas confessed to the murders of forty-eight people
of different gender, age and sexual orientation
was active in the following three separate countries countries: France, Spain, Italy
police only investigated him for twenty-two murders in Spain.
In 1964 Age 20/21 Manuel Delgado Villegas started his killing spree
he was known to rob, commit acts of necrophilia, beat, suffocate, strangle, rape
and murder his victims and was known to kill at the home of the victim.
Some of his victims were killed with hand to hand combat techniques
that he learned while in the Spanish Foreign Legion.
He was diagnosed with a severe mental disorder
and XYY syndrome a rare chromosomal disorder that affects only males .
He was arrested 18 January 1971 Age 27
sentenced to being preventively detained at Carabanchel Penitentiary Psychiatric Hospital
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Hey AJ, got any serial killer listings for people with Jupiter on the Ascendant?
Hi david starling,

Alas, my Kepler database has few criminals.

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for example
Hi JUPITERASC,

That is not an example. A grocery list of serial killers is not proof of anything, other than they exist. You still haven't shown how Aquarian Sun is damaged. I even posted three charts of Aquarian Suns, and you have shown anything except links to some chris brennan guy who I don't know and don't care to know.

Yes, two of the three were murdered, but not because they had an Aquarian Sun. Those three charts disprove the whole claim Sun is in detriment, because all three of those people excelled, as people with Aquarian Suns often do.
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Hi david starling,
Alas, my Kepler database has few criminals.
so far I have posted details of sixteen AQUARIUS serial killers
from various countries worldwide
to boost your database

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Hi JUPITERASC,
That is not an example. A grocery list of serial killers is not proof of anything,
other than they exist.
so you are saying that your own grocery list of serial killers posted earlier
proves nothing
but you nevertheless posted that list

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You still haven't shown how Aquarian Sun is damaged.
I even posted three charts of Aquarian Suns, an
d you have shown anything except links to some chris brennan guy
who I don't know and don't care to know.
you have not shown the benefits of being murdered
whereas
I have posted at least sixteen Aquarius serial killers dob
the data to create their charts is there free, gratis and for nothing
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Yes, two of the three were murdered, but
not because they had an Aquarian Sun.
Those three charts disprove the whole claim Sun is in detriment, because
all three of those people excelled, as people with Aquarian Suns often do.
if your contention is valid
then

a grocery list of three Aquarius suns who in your opinion excelled
proves nothing
meanwhile
because

you said earlier
that you "could find no one with an Aquarian sun who suffered"
and I quote
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I simply could not find
anyone with an Aquarian Sun
who suffered

or was a criminal.
The closest thing was Jimmy Hoffa
(a criminal union boss associated with organized crime who disappeared)
and Sharon Tate (Manson murders).
Siriusly
you even said you "expected to see more criminals
.........but see exactly the opposite"
and I quote
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If Aquarian Sun was truly a detriment,
you'd expect to see more criminals,
more ne'er-do-wells and more infamous people,
but you see exactly the opposite.
Notable people with productive lives.

therefore another example for your database is as follows:
Romulus Veres Romanian AQUARIUS serial killer known as The Hammer Man
aka The Man with the Hammer
born 23 January 1929 in Cluj-Napoca, city in Cluj County, Romania.
killed victims with a hammer or by stabbing them with a knife.
One victim was pregnant and found in a pool of blood
neighbors thought she had given birth.
Discovering that the woman had been hit in the head, she was rushed to the hospital
and later survived.
Veres set fire to the bodies of two of his later victims
and was known to have raped at least one victim.
as a serial killer he was known to rob, stalk, rape, mutilate, and murder his victims.
He was known to kill at the home of the victim.
He would keep personal items from the victim after the crime.
Veres blamed the Devil for his actions, he suffered from schizophrenia
which was used as the grounds of insanity.
He was arrested on 14 February 1974 Age 45
convicted 2 February 1976 Age 47 sentenced to preventive detention
and was institutionalized in the Stei Psychiatric Hospital in Romania
where he died from liver disease 13 December 1993 Age 64
cause of death: natural causes, at the Stei Psychiatric Hospital in Romania.
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How about comparing the number of Sun Aquarians in the entire world against the number of Sun Aquarians who are known murderers? What's the percentage? Is it statistically significant?
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How about comparing the number of Sun Aquarians in the entire world
against the number of Sun Aquarians who are known murderers?
What's the percentage? Is it statistically significant?
keep us updated with your research on that
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There's a misconception about Aquarius as an Age-sign that seems somewhat widespread:
That it will be a dictatorship ruled by elite, shadowy types, and will require conformity
to what they dictate. Not sure where this perception is from, but
from what I've seen, Sun Aquarians are individualistic, and
allow others to be the same.
They also don't like forcing others to follow their agenda.
"If it works for you, fine", when it comes to astrology, appears to be an Aquarian attitude.
Not seeing that as a "debility".
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It just goes to show that generalizations are fun, but unreliable.
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Any evidence of Essential Detriment regarding Aquarian Suns that you'd care to share?
consider
Robert Berdella aka Robert Andrew Berdella Jr. an American AQUARIUS serial killer
aka The Kansas City Butcher and The Collector born 31 January 1949 Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio, US.
Homosexual, never married, no children, atheist, Berdella abducted, raped tortured
and murdered at least six men between 1984 and 1987.
He would hold victims captive for periods of up to six weeks.
Berdella dissected his victims' bodies and dispose of the body parts in garbage bags.
His last victims escaped and alerted the police.
He was arrested 2 April 1988 Age 39, convicted 19 December 1988 Age 39
He was convicted on charges of torture, murder, rape, kidnapping.
sentenced to life imprisonment without the possibility of parole
at the Missouri State Penitentiary in Jefferson City, Missouri, US.
Robert Berdella died on 8 October 1992 Age 43 of natural causes
heart attack, myocardial infarction while incarcerated
at the Missouri State Penitentiary in Jefferson City, Missouri, US.
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Hi JUPITERASC,

You still haven't made a case.

The fact that a serial killer has an Aquarian Sun proves nothing, other than some of the many, many serial killers have an Aquarian Sun and for everyone on your grocery list I can list that doesn't have it.

You've failed or refused to show how the Aquarian Sun is a causal factor, but then that wouldn't be possible except under the most extraordinary circumstance and that would have to be Aquarian Sun H7 hammered by Mars and in aspect with Moon and Saturn.

The OP wins this debate, since you can't disprove his claim:

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You still haven't made a case.
The fact that a serial killer has an Aquarian Sun proves nothing, other than some of the many, many serial killers have an Aquarian Sun and for everyone on your grocery list I can list that doesn't have it. You've failed or refused to show how the Aquarian Sun is a causal factor, but then that wouldn't be possible except under the most extraordinary circumstance and that would have to be Aquarian Sun H7 hammered by Mars and in aspect with Moon and Saturn.
The OP wins this debate, since you can't disprove his claim:
you ignore the following comment made by the OP
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Sure it's a problem, if a supposedly "weak" placement has strong Chart-influence.
you also ignore your own comment
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Hi david starling,

I simply could not find
anyone with an Aquarian Sun
who suffered
or was a criminal.
The closest thing was Jimmy Hoffa
(a criminal union boss associated with organized crime who disappeared)
and Sharon Tate (Manson murders).

If Aquarian Sun was truly a detriment,
you'd expect to see more criminals,
more ne'er-do-wells and more infamous people,
but you see exactly the opposite.
Notable people with productive lives.
somehow you overlooked/could not find
Aquarius Sun "criminals and infamous people"
I'm simply highlighting
that in fact
infamous criminals/ne'er-do-wells who are also AQUARIUS are plentiful


such as:

Cody Legebokoff aka Cody Alan Legebokoff AQUARIUS Canadian serial killer and rapist
aka The Country Boy Killer born 21 January 1990 Fort St. James, British Columbia
At the time of his crimes he was living with three close female friends in Prince George
he never married, had no children
Legebokoff murdered three women and a teenage girl
between 2009 and 2010 in British Columbia, Canada.
One victim was included as a suspected victim in the Highway of Tears murders.
He used the handle 1CountryBoy on a Canadian social-networking site named Nexopia.
He is one of Canada's youngest serial killers
the youngest was Peter Woodcock who was only 17 years old when he was active in Canada.
Legebokoff was arrested 28 November 2010 Age 20
convicted 11 September 2014 Age 24
In 2014, Legebokoff was sentenced to life in prison with no parole for twenty-five years.
In 2019, Cody Legebokoff was transferred
from the maximum security Kent Institution in British Columbia
to the medium security Warkworth Institution in Ontario.
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you ignore the following comment made by the OP

you also ignore your own comment

somehow you overlooked/could not find
Aquarius Sun "criminals and infamous people"
I'm simply highlighting
that in fact
infamous criminals/ne'er-do-wells who are also AQUARIUS are plentiful
Hi JUPITERASC,

As I explained earlier, my Kepler data-base doesn't have a cast of thousands of criminals that your source obviously does.

We have yet another bandwidth-wasting post by you in which you failed or refused to show how an Aquarian Sun is debilitated.

Your failure or refusal to show how Aquarian Suns are debilitated is telling indeed.

Your knowledge of astrology is hardly impressive.

Serial killers are very Saturnian, not Solar.

The word "serial" in "serial killer" should have been your very first clue that serial killers are Saturnian, not Solar or Mercurial or Martian.

Serial killers are highly disciplined. A Saturnian quality. They make few mistakes, another Saturnian quality, which is why it takes so long to catch them, if they're even caught at all.

Serial killers are very selective about their victims, often spending days, weeks or months (and in some instances years) stalking them. Just another Saturnian quality.

Serial killers are extremely meticulous in their planning, one more Saturnian quality, which is also why they are difficult to catch, if they're ever caught at all.

Serial killers repeatedly employ the same manner/method of death, which is their "signature" and is often how they are named by police or the media, and is yet one more Saturnian quality.

None of that has anything to do with an Aquarian Sun.

If you have something fruitful to add to the discussion that is actually on-topic and proves your claim that an Aquarian Sun is debilitated, then do it, otherwise you just continue to look like a fool.
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