To finish my reply......
"""""You accuse me of arrogance and stating that mine is the only way. I never said this nor have I ever implied it either. I simply say that unless people adopt the methodology and thinking of professional Astrologers they are likely to go off track. It is far too easy for enthusiatic believers to propose fanciful or ill-informed ideas and theories without bothering to check them out. Just because something is written in a book or believed by someone else does not mean that it is correct, and the result of this is to place highly dubious material in the mainstream which is then, in turn, adopted by others, and so on... This is regretable and I for one am trying to point out that there are well-established ways which are in danger of being buried under an avalanche of disinformation. Now unless you wish to impose some form of censorship on forums such as this, you can expect people with alternative views to pop up every so often to defend the cause of real Astrology, and if that if classified as arrogance then so be it. """""(quote JamesYoung)
Hmmm.... You have never implied that your way is the only way? ""you can expect people with alternative views to pop up every so often to defend the cause of REAL astrology, and if that is classified as arrogance then so be it."" (quote, my emphasis added). Your very words imply that YOU know REAL astrology, and the rest of us wretched imbeciles don't know what we're talking about. I classify that as arrogance.
You have just as much right to be on this forum as anyone else, and there is a need for what you have to teach. But to say that all other systems are wrong???? And they should come to YOU if they want a REAL chart reading? I agree with you totally that you shouldn't believe everything you hear or read,but I believe that one should test things out for themselves. But do you realize that the way you come across is trying to make that decision FOR other people? They need to decide for themselves what works for them and what doesn't. That's the only way they will learn. The way you come across is "Don't believe everything you hear or read, BUT come to my site and believe everything I say." Do you realize that you, as an established astrologer, are bringing confusion to those who are just learning to feel things out for themselves. You are saying that they are wrong, but what if they are RIGHT, and you were a stumbling block to them? From my viewpoint, you are right about some things, and wrong about some things. (Aren't we all?)
"""The article you allude to on my web site did not include any names - unlike yourself. I spend my time trying to inform the public about Astrology and sometime I have to point out the downside. Here we had an example of a badly drawn chart, one that is regretably the norm these days, so I though it necessary to show people why this chart was of no use and what a real chart should look like. The article was in no way intended to denigrate a particular individual, but simply to make a point, which is that if people don't customise the software they are using for chart calculation then all manner of irrelevant factors are introduced, not to mention wrong orbs, incorrect Houses systems, too may aspects, spurious artifacts, resulting in an unreadable and inaccurate chart. """ (quote JamesYoung)
My case in point: BorX is a young astrologer, and a very talented one at that. You were very disrespectful to him on this site, and then continued the disrespect on your own site. Many of us on this site found no problem in reading his charts, and they apparently worked very well for him. Why does everyone have to do things the way YOU do it for them to be doing it "right"? The things that were" wrong" with his chart were only "wrong" from YOUR view point.
"""There is a great deal of difference between genuine 'insight' and pure speculation, but people are free to believe whatever is presented to them in whatever form by anyone skilled or unskilled, and that is the problem. How is the public to know the difference, though? Unless someone poses questions and challenges ideas, particularly the more outrageous ones, one could argue that they will never know, and that would be to everyone's detriment."""" (quote James Young)
"People are free to believe whatever is presented to them....... and that is the problem."
?????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I believe this is called FREE WILL, and there is NO problem with that. People ARE responsible for what they choose to believe, however, and that is why it is important to "go within", and see what works for them, instead of believing every "wind of doctrine", OR people who CALL THEMSELVES an expert.
"How is the public to know the difference, though? Unless someone poses questions and challenges ideas,particularly the more outrageous ones, one could argue that they will never know, and that would be to everyone's deteriment.""" (quote JamesYoung)
EXACTLY!!!! And that is why I decided to quit sitting on my duff and watching you run roughshod over this forum, and say something about it. However, the good people of this forum are free to believe what I say, or toss it out.
"""On the question of asteroids, I am of the opinon that they are purely speculative and have never been proven. Yes, it is easy to say such and such an asteroid does this or that, but does it really? If you give me an example of the effects of a specific asteroid in your chart I will show you the same effects attributed to a planet. """ (quote JamesYoung)
Many others on this forum don't give asteroids the time of day. That's their prerogative. However, with my personal experience on the forum, I haven't caught any of the rest of them crusading that everyone else should ditch THEIR belief in working with asteroids. Personally, I have found them EXTREMELY helpful in reading charts, even some of the lesser known ones that hardly anyone uses. It works for me, so I'm keeping it.
And if you choose to keep doing things the way you've been doing after I've said all of this... then that is YOUR prerogative. I have said my peace - what I really felt needed saying - and this is still a forum that honors freedom of speech. (and writing
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Respectfully,
Freedomlover