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Re: Proof Aquarius is ruled by uranus AND Saturn?

I do like of the myth, that Earth (Gaia) was Uranus mother and they were lovers, and Saturn is their child, that committed patricide.

https://press.rebus.community/mythol...apter/origins/

I would think that Uranus.....would prefer to be distanced from his son.

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Btw, I really like the words "Modernist" and "Tradtionalist", in place of "Modern" and "Traditional". I'm going to use them. Maybe the boards chould be changed to that effect.
Yuks; no way.

Doesn't modern/traditional describe the 'style' of a craft itself, and modernist/traditionalist to the person applying it?

Change one would mean changing all to see conformity without discrimination.
Natalist, Vedicist, Medicist, Electionist, Spiritualist Astrology just doesn't sound right .. let alone look right on the boards.
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Yuks; no way.

Doesn't modern/traditional describe the 'style' of a craft itself, and modernist/traditionalist to the person applying it?

Change one would mean changing all to see conformity without discrimination.
Natalist, Vedicist, Medicist, Electionist, Spiritualist Astrology just doesn't sound right ….. let alone look right on the boards.
J.A. just used it to describe "Modern astrology". It's about the PRACTICE of astrology using the Outermosts and asteroids,
"Traditional" co-opts the word "Tradition", which has a much more general meaning. For example Vedic is "Traditional" in the East. Modern is a continuation of the "Tradition of astrology", and is therefore traditional in it's own right. I don't think any of the others you mention should be changed, because their meanings are specific enough as they are.
Maybe "Modernistic" and "Tradtionalistic", nicknamed Mod and Trad.

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Yet, which might cause confusion with rock, jazz, and art.
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How about "Old School astrology" for Trad?!
No Outermosts as Sign-rulers, no asteroids.

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"Contemporary astrology" for Mod.
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Okay, so in Old School, Saturn is Domicle-ruler of both Cap and Aqua, and doesn't rule a Sign at all.
In Contemporary, shares Aqua as Domicile with Saturn, OR, is the ONLY Domicle-ruler of Aqua, and Saturn is Domicle-ruler only of Cap.
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Btw, I really like the words "Modernist" and "Tradtionalist",

in place of "Modern" and "Traditional".
I'm going to use them.
Maybe the boards chould be changed to that effect.
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Traditionalistic rulership patterns don't include the Planets beyond Saturn, and are therefore insufficient for Modernistic astrology.
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Please ONLY discuss modern astrology. Some of these posts have become a modern vs. traditional astrology post which is NOT allowed on the modern astrology forum. Those posts have been DELETED.

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Re: Proof Aquarius is ruled by uranus AND Saturn?

Aquarius is ruled by Saturn because Aquarius is a fixed sign and saturn provides stability
also saturn is an outsider the coldest planet and the farthest away from the Sun
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Aquarius is ruled by Saturn because Aquarius is a fixed sign and saturn provides stability
also saturn is an outsider the coldest planet and the farthest away from the Sun
According to modern-day astronomers Neptune is the furthest full-fledged Planet from the Sun. And, is farther out than Saturn as well.
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It's the Uranian influence that benefits from the Fixed-sign quality of Aquarius. Saturn doesn't need it, being a structured, stable influence on its own.
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It's the Uranian influence that benefits from the Fixed-sign quality of Aquarius. Saturn doesn't need it, being a structured, stable influence on its own.
now that I think about it saturn truly is the sign of stability and uranus doesn't have any fixed quality to it.

Uranus is just about innovation put towards the benfit of the masses, and of eccentricity, none of that has anything to do with stability or fixed qualities.

Saturn is about stability and determination. It just so happens that when wielded by Capricorn it apparently uses this energy in a cardinal way and when wielded by aquarius it uses it to stabilize the uranian influence of aquarius.

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Re: Proof Aquarius is ruled by uranus AND Saturn?

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Yony, you need to move beyond simplistic one-liners. What are you reading these days about astrology?

As a sun-Aquarian, I assert that there is nothing "abnormal" about us. Remember, on Planet Aquarius, we are the normal ones. Aquarius is the fixed air sign.

Saturn has so many interpretations that I don't know where to begin. Saturn rules old age and agriculture. Traditionally it is the Greater Malefic.

Saturn was assigned to Aquarius and Capricorn in ancient times. Since it was the farthest-out planet, it was assigned to the signs the most distant from the sun and moon, both spatially and temporary. (See, for example, Ptolemy's Tetrabiblos from ca. 150 CE.)

Uranus wasn't discovered until 1781.
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now that I think about it saturn truly is the sign of stability and uranus doesn't have any fixed quality to it.

Uranus is just about innovation put towards the benfit of the masses, and of eccentricity, none of that has anything to do with stability or fixed qualities.

Saturn is about stability and determination. It just so happens that when wielded by Capricorn it apparently uses this energy in a cardinal way and when wielded by aquarius it uses it to stabilize the uranian influence of aquarius.
Doesn't stabilize it--blocks it.
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Re: Proof Aquarius is ruled by uranus AND Saturn?

Trad had an easy time with all the planets and signs going together with no odd one out. When the outer planets came into view, people were forced to assign signs to them without a fixed system like Trad, but by which standard?



David, it would be nice if you can add any mythology that can link Uranus to Aqua, just to expand our knowledge beyond "keywords" Just imagine you just discovered Uranus, and now which sign are you going to assign it to this new planet and why.
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Trad had an easy time with all the planets and signs going together with no odd one out. When the outer planets came into view, people were forced to assign signs to them without a fixed system like Trad, but by which standard?



David, it would be nice if you can add any mythology that can link Uranus to Aqua, just to expand our knowledge beyond "keywords" Just imagine you just discovered Uranus, and now which sign are you going to assign it to this new planet and why.
•Start by numbering the Signs, beginning with Aries as #1.
•As each next outermost is discovered, remove the higher-numbered Sign from the outermost Planet still Domicled in 2 Signs:
•#11 is taken from Saturn, leaving it Domicled in only #10, and given to
•#12 is taken from Jupiter, leaving it Domicled in only #9, and given to Neptune.
•#8 is taken from Mars, leaving it Domicled in only #1, and given to Pluto.
•The 2 Planets inside of Earth's orbit, Mercury and Venus, appear as both Morning and Evening planets, suggesting a dual-nature. They each continue to be Domicled in 2 Signs in standard Modernistic astrology.
•As far as sharing a Sign as co-Domicile-ruler, no problem in ancient religions for Neptune and Jupiter--they were brothers, and fought side-by-side in the war of the Titans which temporarily removed Saturn from power.
•Pluto and Mars, also compatible as co-Domicile-rulers in terms of ancient religions.
•Ancient religious PROOF of the incompatibility of Saturn and Uranos* as co-Domicile-rulers: Saturn castrated his father Uranos, and permanently removed him from the pantheon of ancient gods. Doesn't get anymore incompatible than that!

*["Uranus" is a patently incorrect spelling of Uranos, so I use the correct one.]
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Re: Proof Aquarius is ruled by uranus AND Saturn?

I wonder what would happen if there were two more planets for Virgo and Libra
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I wonder what would happen if there were two more planets for Virgo and Libra
Stay tuned for a full rendition of 12/12, in which the Asc and Age-indicator, both functions of the all-important Earth/Sun relationship, become the necessary addition of 2 new Domicle-rulers. Hint: Mercury keeps Gemini and Venus keeps Libra. It's by pattern.
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Mercury keeps Gemini and Venus keeps Libra
That makes Taurus even harder for me to relate to
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That makes Taurus even harder for me to relate to
Venus keeps Libra as its Domicile-sign. But, each Sign has several types of rulers. The Exalted-ruler of Taurus is Venus. Mars keeps Aries as its Domicile-sign. The Exalted-ruler of Scorpio is Mars.
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Doesn't stabilize it--blocks it.
In what way exactly?
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In what way exactly?
Uranian influence encourages us and enables us to go beyond the materialistic limitations and restrictions represented by Saturnian influence.
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Uranian influence encourages us and enables us to go beyond the materialistic limitations and restrictions represented by Saturnian influence.
Makes sense.
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