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Did anybody else notice Kyle's Chiron conjunct his Sun???

Yes. What do you make of it? Tons of people have Chiron affecting their births but don't turn to murdering others.

I'm curious what can be made of it then? Perhaps as Opal's post infers, a connection to one's sun might suggest the "students" of Chiron - and the myth of it's psychological need for greatness?


I have a Chiron book, one of the first ones, so I'll double check this idea of the students which I had not considered before.


Opal: Is the idea sort of like Pallas Athena? Pallas being what one looks up to and admires for the boldness Pallas depicted seen as heroism?

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Re: Astrology of a cold blooded killer

The recent posts reminds me of a need to dig into Alec Baldwin's natal a bit more.
I had known for decades of his violent tendencies, but really believed by marrying Hilaria,and having umpteen children with her, had changed him totally into a caring, "patient" individual outside of his own propensity towards immediate "reaction" towards others in a violent way.


An Astrologer I read recently dug into him more. I'll try & find and post.
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Sun-Chiron aspects are very important in the birth chart. They can unfold either as becoming wise and helping others or going down the path of self-doubt and alienation, what hurts both you and those around you. Itís important that you can only help others to the extent you helped yourself before.

In a conjunction, the energies of the planets that take part in the aspect completely merge. If you have the Sun conjunct Chiron natal aspect, it suggests that Chiron is an organic part of your sense of self.

Chiron is connected with pain, trauma, your deepest wounds in astrology.

With the Sun conjunct Chiron natal aspect, this blends with your sense of self, represented by the Sun. Planets conjunct the Sun are an integral part of your identity.

Often, you find mere existence painful.

In the natal chart, the Sun shows your inner personality, your ego, who you really are. When Chiron is conjunct the Sun, there is a deep wound related to them. Perhaps you were denied to right to be who you really are in childhood, or there were some other events/conditioning that shook your sense of having the right to exist.

People with their natal Sun conjunct Chiron are often lonely. You feel that you donít belong to this world. There is a strong and disturbing sense of being an outsider no matter what you do. Often, this stems from a damaged core identity, what makes it hard to show up in the world as the real you.
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Re: Astrology of a cold blooded killer

Thanks guys.

All of the reading I am doing stresses

A one degree orb natally

A one degree orb transit, with a quick resolution

That it is very strong, acting like, and they all call it a Planet
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Re: Astrology of a cold blooded killer

My youngest daughter, found life too unbearable in her poor state of mine and ended it early because of mental illness. She didn't see a way out.
Born with Chiron in the 1st, near her ASC cj. SN.

I only bring this up, because I agree with the premise of Chiron being an integral and very important part of our lives which must be studied far more. I don't wish to speak of my daughter and her choice or the why of it, its far too complex and personal.


Israel is another chart, the founding chart which impressed the Chiron position as far as I'm concerned with their warrior posture of self-protection to the extreme.

In this case, Chiron is in the 1st hs.



Bibi Netanyahu has Chiron in the 12th, cj. the ASC and certainly acted out for many decades in a negative light (imo) But of course, people voted for him for just that reason...probably in a conscious light.


Israel born in 1948 chart - has Chiron in the 1st house 21 Scorpio, a "definite loss" degree (i.e. cannot be changed or fixed, its definite imo and that of others who I talked to about it)


Now, it opposes their SUN at 23 Scorpio in the 8th. IF I'm correct and the birth of Israel coincides with vibrations which cannot be changed, I'm not saying she (the country) is a cold blood killer of course, (anymore then the U.S.A. and the country's chart), but when we think more deeply about these two countries with their planetary positions, we realize that what has been long predicted of a 3rd WW will very likely bring about countless deaths. It's only a matter of time, because the fate is there. Perhaps Nostradamus picked it up centuries ago. Vibrations don't fade and there is no time (per se)



I have the chart if anyone wants to see it posted.



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Yes, but Kyle has his Mars at 21 Degrees in Scorpio.
This reads as:
Perversions, lack of self control and danger of poisons.
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Re: Astrology of a cold blooded killer

Leo Moon;
YES, Scorpio Mars at 21 degrees is a reckless and impulsive character.
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YES, Scorpio Mars at 21 degrees is a reckless and impulsive character.

I wrote often about the critical degrees in astrology. That means I felt confident enough, talked to others like Anthony Louis about questions I had before publishing. I studied what the late Diana Rosenberg said about the ones she too studied which matched my own long research, so I felt confident as I said based on just a decade of watching carefully, noting behaviors seen and unseen, checking with people, and then confirming my theory. 21 Scorpio, cannot be fixed or worked on. IMO, it's fated.

Most vibrations in one's natal chart can be altered (my theory), but not this one. People can change their minds, work on themselves and eventually outgrow some of the vibrations turning them into something far more beneficial to their soul. Only ego keeps people from doing this en masse.


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People are entitled to their own theories of life and Astrology. Please don't take a theory personally as though you yourself are being attacked.

I don't know your natal chart.
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Leo Moon-you are wise.
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Leo Moon-you are wise.
Thank you.

Thanks for the compliment, I hope I've learned by my suffering in life. There is a huge difference between knowledge and wisdom of course, so all I can do is hope I fit the bill.


As for the 21st of Scorpio, I omitted to say, that many of the old time Astrologers like Charubel, as Astrologers tend to pass on what they've discovered like with Alan Leo's "Degrees of the Zodiac Symbolised"

However, there is no comparison to doing one's OWN investigation in a serious methodical fashion to see for oneself with thousands of charts, which should include feedback.
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I learn so much from your posts.
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I learn so much from your posts.
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IF I said, the first thing one must do is quit school and teach oneself through both life's events and through thorough study on your own, one might say, "that's stupid" . But that is really Uranus trine Neptune speaking.


Here is the different take on the chart of Alec Baldwin for example, precipitated by the killing (accidental ) of Halyna, the cinematographer. To complete my original post of Alec's chart and thinking perhaps a little deeper about it Maria. I too have Scorpio in my natal chart, but its Jupiter which is aspected with both sextiles and trines, but yet in my 5th house of children, is also in the 21st deg. of Scorpio. Tough lessons there.



Not so much the character then I've learned, but more whatever the degree touches (the house, the planets, the Asc, etc) will be complex and changed for the fated necessity of the soul, yet will hurt tremendously, as with Israel's Chiron placement or Kyle's eventually.



Some with mental illness carry the imprint of 21 Scorpio, which required lifetime medications for example in my study. That doesn't mean the person or the character, just the fated life path.
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MJ 66 Maria: Your Scorpio planets will easily discern perhaps, what this astrologer is pointing to when it comes to Alec Baldwin's psychology and the so-called "Accident" . Its a twist on how to look at the accident. Certainly not a "conscious" murder" as some suggest, but perhaps unconscious impulses?



https://winslowastro.com/2021/10/23/...-man-survived/




From the outside looking in, it appears to me he (Alec) is far more settled and home bodied then he ever was prior to marrying Hilaria. Is this then where that excess Mars energy went, via the sub-conscious route that Winslow takes us to?



I had to wonder myself.....but we'll never know. Its simply a theory.
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IF for example, there is any truth to be had by this exercise; then we may think differently about Kyle Rittenhouse or any others involved in murder or accidents. Of course on this level of consciousness, I don't think it's provable even to ourselves. Only food for thought.

She says: (posts various charts to try to prove her point)

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Summarizing all findings I will guess that by pulling the trigger of the prop gun Alec Baldwin tried unconsciously to “kill” the conflict with his wife Hilaria. And killed Halina instead. By the way, are these names sound a little bit similar to you? Do you still think the discharging of the prop gun in New Mexico was an accident?
And again, this post is a complete astrology exercise, a version of the reasons behind people’s behavior
Then again, the entire exercise, may be a waste of time too. His Chiron is 22 Aquarius, a degree suggesting, "self-undoing" in my writings. Not an optimal degree to have anywhere.
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Hi Leo Moon,
Alec Baldwin, IMO acted in arrogance. He's got a Aquarius Venus and Aries Sun. Most with this combination are so completely full of themselves. I do believe it was an accident, but he's another reckless one. I haven't had time to really look over his chart, but quickly glancing and knowing some of his prior history-an arrogant, impulsive man. I know in particular the combination of Aires with Aquarius creates somewhat of a ruthless individual. I can see him not faulting himself at all for using more caution.
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YES, Scorpio Mars at 21 degrees is a reckless and impulsive character.
My mother has mars @ 21 Scorpio. She is not perverted, nor reckless and impulsive. She is 90 years old, healthy enough of mind snd body to live in her own little apartment in a retirement community.
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My mother has mars @ 21 Scorpio. She is not perverted, nor reckless and impulsive. She is 90 years old, healthy enough of mind snd body to live in her own little apartment in a retirement community.

What house and planet does the 21st Scorpio reside in? I don't buy the description you make however when speaking of the 21st deg. of Scorpio.

I've explained I have it in Jupiter in my 5th. I've been impulsive at times in my life from which I've learned a great deal and I've been reckless in that impulsivity, but I've NEVER been perverted, lol.



I think the older Astrologers simply carried down and recorded the writings and findings of past astrologers of course, and critical degrees are part of that - in which the 19th, 21 and 22nd of Scorpio are all a part.



Did mother lose anything in that house (does she take life long medication for a specific loss of something or others? Did she lose loved ones she simply never will recover from? (aside from her current age?) Since it's Mars that is affected by this vibration, did she lose her temper easily when younger?? under stress?



My maternal grandmother lived to 101, but that doesn't mean she didn't have issues either with her health.



This is a theory only and one that I and countless other Astrologers who have studied the critical degrees (vibrations) ascribe to. But of course it takes a lot of honest feedback to come to the final conclusion of any theory one espouses.



Is your mother very secretive? As you can tell I am rather married to this theory now after all these years of study.
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Hi Leo Moon,
Alec Baldwin, IMO acted in arrogance. He's got a Aquarius Venus and Aries Sun. Most with this combination are so completely full of themselves. I do believe it was an accident, but he's another reckless one. I haven't had time to really look over his chart, but quickly glancing and knowing some of his prior history-an arrogant, impulsive man. I know in particular the combination of Aires with Aquarius creates somewhat of a ruthless individual. I can see him not faulting himself at all for using more caution.
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My suggestion to consider at least, the theory postulated by "Winslow Astro" takes us beyond what is "seen easily as obvious".



We "obviously" see and buy his belief it was an accident.

But sometimes those accident prone have "issues" that are psychological too.


That is where this astrologer in the link I posted is headed. Its only a consideration not scientifically concluded. I found it interesting enough to consider at the very least.



And I've watched Baldwin for decades including his marriage to Kim Bassinger which was indeed violent at times.



As I said earlier, I had believe the marriage to Hilaria, was soothing, teaching, calming and very helpful for him since they had all those 5 ? new children now to care for since they married in 2012.
The Winslow link suggests we take another look at the charts she posted.


I love being open minded with most new or seldom discussed theories; and at least hearing out the other's ideas before casting my own judgement nay or pro. or casting dispersion s.


The charts she posted include the natal and the Directions



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continued : REF Alec Baldwin postulated theory:


When "Winslow" says Baldwin's spouse is Venus in Aquarius, I think he is doing as we'd do in horary., checking the 7th house in his chart, seeing Venus rules the house of marriage, then taking it farther to say, "Venus in Aquarius" (but in HIS chart not her's.
Hilaria has Venus in Sagittarius, but we'd need to see their mutual Junos too as a description of the other when it comes to spouses.


For example: Spouse #1 which was rather a toxic relationship, producing one daughter with Kim Bassinger. Ironically she too has Venus in Sagittarius, a fire sign like Hilaria's Venus. We don't know as much about Kim's personal lifestyle, because she was much more private then the new spouse Hilaria, who is on Instagram everyday and puts here life out there for all to see with videos, talks, etc. Hilaria for example, is a Yoga teacher and takes her exercises very seriously. Her likes, her dislikes are all easily seen because she tells you. But Kim is the opposite - I only know about the serious setback of monetary losses she had when they were married.


I don't think she has water in her chart (Aquarius is air, likewise, intellectually driven) perhaps a bit like Hilaria may be seen by many. Possibly takes chances because Aq is ruled too by Uranus.



https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Basinger,_Kim

Kim Bassinger never remarried after Alec Baldwin.

Ironically, her 7th of spouses is in Leo, (the star sign) with Pluto in the 7th, (he was very controlling she said) Perhaps stifling so.

It "appears" now that spouse #2 - a Capricorn Sun Hillaria, is wearing the pants in that family. There may be more to the Winslow ideas to at least muse over under the surface. (see video of him telling her to be quiet during a stressful interview on a country road)

The synastry charts of Alec & spouse #2 Hilaria: no tob known in Hilaria's case.
https://star4cast.com/hilaria-baldwi...-from-castile/


(she doesn't have water planets in her chart)

unlike his first wife Kim who has only water in harsh locations in Scorpio. Her Mercury opposes Algol; and right on the MC which is 27 Scorpio.

Kim B. doesn't suffer fools - so divorce was the answer.



Hilaria, is then a whole nother' kettle of fish: I think as I said, she wears the pants whereas, Kim could not do so successfully. She had 5 children in a short period of time when he didn't want anymore and said so.

Kim Bassinger actually lost tons of money buying a whole town in the South where she was born in Athens Ga. that may have set him off quite a bit, as I think it ended in bankruptcy however it was titled or deeded trying to remake that town.


Kim's Juno (spouse she was attracted to enough to marry) is conjunct "Regulus" in Leo.

Hilaria's Juno ( " 0 Taurus, critical for marriage imo, the opposite of what others wrote)
Now HER Juno, is square Mars & Pluto - but has trines elsewhere in her chart. This may suggest
that there are rumblings under the surface that might explode (Mars-Pluto squares?)
and during an interview on the road in Vermont where they are holed out until the press lets up -
Alec said to Hilaria' "Quiet, I'll take this" as Hilaria attempted to tell off the reporter asking questions with Alec taking the lead.


There may be something we can learn with the Winslow ideas of the "accident" looking beneath the surface a bit.
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Yes. What do you make of it? Tons of people have Chiron affecting their births but don't turn to murdering others.

I'm curious what can be made of it then? Perhaps as Opal's post infers, a connection to one's sun might suggest the "students" of Chiron - and the myth of it's psychological need for greatness?


I have a Chiron book, one of the first ones, so I'll double check this idea of the students which I had not considered before.


Opal: Is the idea sort of like Pallas Athena? Pallas being what one looks up to and admires for the boldness Pallas depicted seen as heroism?
Yeah, I can agree, but Chiron leans more to the medical and Pallas is more of a negotiator. Special talents are of her too.
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Sun-Chiron aspects are very important in the birth chart. They can unfold either as becoming wise and helping others or going down the path of self-doubt and alienation, what hurts both you and those around you. Itís important that you can only help others to the extent you helped yourself before.

In a conjunction, the energies of the planets that take part in the aspect completely merge. If you have the Sun conjunct Chiron natal aspect, it suggests that Chiron is an organic part of your sense of self.

Chiron is connected with pain, trauma, your deepest wounds in astrology.

With the Sun conjunct Chiron natal aspect, this blends with your sense of self, represented by the Sun. Planets conjunct the Sun are an integral part of your identity.

Often, you find mere existence painful.

In the natal chart, the Sun shows your inner personality, your ego, who you really are. When Chiron is conjunct the Sun, there is a deep wound related to them. Perhaps you were denied to right to be who you really are in childhood, or there were some other events/conditioning that shook your sense of having the right to exist.

People with their natal Sun conjunct Chiron are often lonely. You feel that you donít belong to this world. There is a strong and disturbing sense of being an outsider no matter what you do. Often, this stems from a damaged core identity, what makes it hard to show up in the world as the real you.
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What house and planet does the 21st Scorpio reside in?
Mars @ 21Sc38 in her 9th

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I didn't make that description. I quoted a post above, describing it in that way, which I disagreed with. I have my Asc @ 21 Taurus so I am familiar with the 21 degree fixed controversy. lol

My mom has mars in her 9th and it is nicely aspected, considering. Maybe her Spica conjunct Venus in Libra has saved her all these years? She has had a very nice life and continues to say so, even now, at the end of her long journey.

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I've explained I have it in Jupiter in my 5th. I've been impulsive at times in my life from which I've learned a great deal and I've been reckless in that impulsivity, but I've NEVER been perverted, lol.
here is the above description which I don't agree with:

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Yes, but Kyle has his Mars at 21 Degrees in Scorpio.
This reads as:
Perversions, lack of self control and danger of poisons.

YES, Scorpio Mars at 21 degrees is a reckless and impulsive character.
My mother has never been desribed in any of the above ways. She does not lack self control, is not reckless or impulsive, nor perverted in any way.

Never has been poisoned as far as I know...


Maybe because she is a Scorpio sun with Cap Moon, she is reserved and cautious and not impulsive or reckless.

But if this 21 degree 'dire warning' is correct, then shouldn't it over ride her other placements?

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Did mother lose anything in that house (does she take life long medication for a specific loss of something or others? Did she lose loved ones she simply never will recover from? (aside from her current age?) Since it's Mars that is affected by this vibration, did she lose her temper easily when younger?? under stress?

My maternal grandmother lived to 101, but that doesn't mean she didn't have issues either with her health.
I'm not sure how to answer that question about her 9th house. She never took any life long meds---in fact she never used any medications routinely until she was in her middle 80's and got a bad case of shingles. That created some side effects from that as she even had shingles inside and in her throat. So her ability to swallow was debilitated for awhile. This didn't happen until age 83--I think it was connected to her uranus return, perhaps. [uranus, r of Asc]

She did lose loved ones of course. Her older brother died injury the Korean War. She was very close to him. But she did recover as she was pregnant with my older brother---she named my bro after her lost older bro---which was always a comfort to her I think.

No, she was and still is very even tempered. She was one of 10 Irish Catholic kids and was the eldest daughter---so she had a lot of patience as it was tested since she had so much responsibility as a young person.

Her Mars does not have any really difficult aspects. It trines Pluto in Cancer but is separating. And it is in a separating conjunction from the Sun @ 13 Scorpio.

She was married young, at 19, to my father. Had her 1st child at 21---which corresponds to 21 Scorpio mars perhaps as it is her oldest child, her son.

But there divorced early---luckliy he became a successful attorney and he always was grateful that she helped him make it through law school---so he always paid a very fair child support and alimony, until her 2nd marriage---which was the love of her life.

When she was 30, she met her amazing Taurus man, whom she was happily married to until his recent death.They were exceedingly happy and in love for over 50 years.

I think that is why she feels she had an amazing and happy life. She had 3 kids and my older brother and I have been 'easy' for her to raise. But my younger brother was much more difficult. He had some run ins with the law and did some coke and a lot of pot and made life difficult sometimes. But I dont think it was a curse or an especially fated, karmic horrid experience.

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This is a theory only and one that I and countless other Astrologers who have studied the critical degrees (vibrations) ascribe to. But of course it takes a lot of honest feedback to come to the final conclusion of any theory one espouses.



Is your mother very secretive? As you can tell I am rather married to this theory now after all these years of study.

My mom was not super secretive, but she was a scorpio/Cap so she was guarded and cautious. She had a small inner circle and with those people she was very open, not secretive. She loves deep discussions and had a lot of heart to hearts with us as we were growing up.

Sadly, her memory is fading fast......it is hard to have the same deep conversations.

However on my last visit, we did speak about her 'upcoming journey' to be with her husband. She wanted me to know she was not afraid and she was looking forward to it.
She even said that she knows it is up to her when she takes that journey and she is feeling ready...

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I wrote often about the critical degrees in astrology. That means I felt confident enough, talked to others like Anthony Louis about questions I had before publishing. I studied what the late Diana Rosenberg said about the ones she too studied which matched my own long research, so I felt confident as I said based on just a decade of watching carefully, noting behaviors seen and unseen, checking with people, and then confirming my theory. 21 Scorpio, cannot be fixed or worked on. IMO, it's fated.

Most vibrations in one's natal chart can be altered (my theory), but not this one. People can change their minds, work on themselves and eventually outgrow some of the vibrations turning them into something far more beneficial to their soul. Only ego keeps people from doing this en masse.


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People are entitled to their own theories of life and Astrology. Please don't take a theory personally as though you yourself are being attacked.

I don't know your natal chart.
I have Neptune at 21 deg Scorpio in the 8th and Sun at 26 deg Leo in the 5th. I've never really heard of the fixed 21 deg thing...what does it signify?
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I have Neptune at 21 deg Scorpio in the 8th and Sun at 26 deg Leo in the 5th. I've never really heard of the fixed 21 deg thing...what does it signify?
BTW I don't mind if it's negative lol
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Mars @ 21Sc38 in her 9th

[11/26/29 1:03 pm, st louis MO] time could be from 12:30 to 1:30



I didn't make that description. I quoted a post above, describing it in that way, which I disagreed with. I have my Asc @ 21 Taurus so I am familiar with the 21 degree fixed controversy. lol

My mom has mars in her 9th and it is nicely aspected, considering. Maybe her Spica conjunct Venus in Libra has saved her all these years? She has had a very nice life and continues to say so, even now, at the end of her long journey.



here is the above description which I don't agree with:



My mother has never been desribed in any of the above ways. She does not lack self control, is not reckless or impulsive, nor perverted in any way.

Never has been poisoned as far as I know...


Maybe because she is a Scorpio sun with Cap Moon, she is reserved and cautious and not impulsive or reckless.

But if this 21 degree 'dire warning' is correct, then shouldn't it over ride her other placements?



I'm not sure how to answer that question about her 9th house. She never took any life long meds---in fact she never used any medications routinely until she was in her middle 80's and got a bad case of shingles. That created some side effects from that as she even had shingles inside and in her throat. So her ability to swallow was debilitated for awhile. This didn't happen until age 83--I think it was connected to her uranus return, perhaps. [uranus, r of Asc]

She did lose loved ones of course. Her older brother died injury the Korean War. She was very close to him. But she did recover as she was pregnant with my older brother---she named my bro after her lost older bro---which was always a comfort to her I think.

No, she was and still is very even tempered. She was one of 10 Irish Catholic kids and was the eldest daughter---so she had a lot of patience as it was tested since she had so much responsibility as a young person.

Her Mars does not have any really difficult aspects. It trines Pluto in Cancer but is separating. And it is in a separating conjunction from the Sun @ 13 Scorpio.

She was married young, at 19, to my father. Had her 1st child at 21---which corresponds to 21 Scorpio mars perhaps as it is her oldest child, her son.

But there divorced early---luckliy he became a successful attorney and he always was grateful that she helped him make it through law school---so he always paid a very fair child support and alimony, until her 2nd marriage---which was the love of her life.

When she was 30, she met her amazing Taurus man, whom she was happily married to until his recent death.They were exceedingly happy and in love for over 50 years.

I think that is why she feels she had an amazing and happy life. She had 3 kids and my older brother and I have been 'easy' for her to raise. But my younger brother was much more difficult. He had some run ins with the law and did some coke and a lot of pot and made life difficult sometimes. But I dont think it was a curse or an especially fated, karmic horrid experience.




My mom was not super secretive, but she was a scorpio/Cap so she was guarded and cautious. She had a small inner circle and with those people she was very open, not secretive. She loves deep discussions and had a lot of heart to hearts with us as we were growing up.

Sadly, her memory is fading fast......it is hard to have the same deep conversations.

However on my last visit, we did speak about her 'upcoming journey' to be with her husband. She wanted me to know she was not afraid and she was looking forward to it.
She even said that she knows it is up to her when she takes that journey and she is feeling ready...
Hi Katydid,

As I read this, I have admiration for your Mother. I have to add, that when a thread is about cold blooded killers, we arenít talking about her.

The energy is emitted in each chart differently. Sometimes the energy is positive of nature, and sometimes a person becomes a victim of the energy.

Your motherís first marriage? did not work out, maybe the energy was released before you were aware or alive.
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