SATURN is SOLE DOMICILE RULER of AQUARIUS

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dr.farr provides additional traditional detail

-in Western traditional, Saturn is associated with the element earth
(thus Saturn as dispositor of earthy Capricorn)

-in the Vedic tradition, however,
Saturn is associated with the element air
(thus Saturn as dispositor of airy Aquarius)

Could Saturn be a double-element planet (earth + air)?

There is some tradition about Mercury being a double
(earth + water; air + earth)...

-then there is the theory
of the original attribution of sign "rulerships"
based on planet's relationship to the Sun:
ie,
: for the outward spread of planets going from the Sun:
Sun = Leo,
next planet Mercury = next sign Virgo,
then Venus = next sign Libra,
then Mars = Scorpio,
then Jupiter = Sagittarius,
then (final on the outward spread) Saturn = Capricon

+Then starting from the outer limit coming back toward the Sun:
: outermost (traditional planet) Saturn = Aquarius,
then next planet
(coming back inward-sunward-from Saturn) is Jupiter = Pisces,
then next planet coming sunward is Mars = Aries,
then next planet coming sunward is Venus = Taurus,
next planet coming sunward is Mercury = Gemini,
and finally a jot toward the earth, with Moon = Cancer

(Sun to Moon via the circuit of the solar system,
Leo outward through signs,
then back inward through signs, Leo to Cancer)
Could be why
(or another reason why)
Saturn allocated to Capricorn and to Aquarius,
in the olden times...

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WHEN DELINEATING SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS

keep in mind the following

JUPITERASC said:

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The illnesses of SATURN

are those

proceeding from

cold, old age, melancholy or depressed spirits.
The pain associated with Saturn illnesses is dull and aching
rather than sharp or burning.
The fevers are those that involve alternating periods of chills
or a fit of shivering, such as malaria.
The damage of Saturn's illnesses tends towards a progressive wasting of tissue.
These include arthritis, rheumatism, depression, consumption,
colds, chills and flu
and all illnesses that involve muscle fatigue, difficulty in breathing
and watery discharges from the nose and eyes,
strokes, paralysis or palsy, bruises and dark marks
chronic illnesses, coughs, dropsy, starvation
morbid fantasies, fears and nightmares, gout, gangrene, haemorrhoids
defects to the hearing, leprosy, miscarriage, scabbiness, scabies and lice
infections of the skin, and illnesses arising from poisons
or damage to the spleen, teeth or bones
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/astrology_saturn.html



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Indeed. All of these are related in some way. I've always found it interesting that Saturn tends to produce restrictions and pains due to the lack of solar and lunar qualities it lacks. It is the planet that opposes the rulership of the Moon and the Sun, after all. A lack of moisture and a lack of heat makes the natives lack connection with their own emotions and others' (Moon) while also a lack of will to act (Solar). It definitely is more devastating than Mars, which only sins in regards to having a lack of empathy.

I'd say Saturn is more of a powerful influence than many other planets. It rules time, reality. The cold, hard truth - as it's often said.

Oh, and I really think that Aquarius fits Saturn quite well. This whole "hard reality" theme it has going really fits with the absolute logic, coldness and aloofness of Aquarius. Saturn is a very scientific, objective, cautious planet to me.

obsidianmineral said:

Oh, and I really think that Aquarius fits Saturn quite well. This whole "hard reality" theme it has going really fits with the absolute logic, coldness and aloofness of Aquarius. Saturn is a very scientific, objective, cautious planet to me.

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Traditionally

Saturn is cooling and moderately drying, malefic, masculine and diurnal. Phainon makes those born under him dark-skinned, robust, black-haired, curly-haired, hairy-chested, and with eyes of moderate size, middling stature, having excess of cold and moist when morning rising, and dark, slender, small, straight-haired, with little bodily hair, rather graceful, black-eyed, having excess of cold and dry when evening rising, and in general, annoying, concealing, avaricious, ignorant, consistent, reserved, petty, malicious, having many anxieties, throwing themselves down, fond of solitude, deceitful, downcast, hypocritical, squalid, clothed in black, deviant, importunate, sullen and miserable. Saturn controls depressions and sluggishness, obstacles in business, interminable lawsuits, subversion of action, secrets, restraints, imprisonment, grief, accusations, tears, being orphaned, captivity, haunting, farmers, gardeners, workers of property, managers, seafaring and waterside trades, tax collectors, the elders, violent action, guardianship, great reputation, notable ranks, lands, administration of that which belongs to others, fathership of the children of others, bachelors, widows, childlessness, violent deaths by water, strangulation, dysentery, falling on the face, injuries and lower respiratory infections, the skeletal system, the lymphatic system and the immune system, building materials like wood and stone, lead, dark colours and astringent tastes. It chronocrator over late old age up to death.



Bibliography:
Robbins, F. E. (1940). Ptolemy: Tetrabiblos. William Heinmann, London. Retrieved from http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/...blos/home.html
Valens, V. Anthologia. Translated by Mark Riley. Retrieved from https://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt...s%20entire.pdf

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JUPITERASC said:

SATURN is cold

'....Saturn brings about power based on wealth and amassing of treasure...'

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Naturally. Saturn never gives fortune unless through patience, hard work, integrity, steadiness, etc. I personally admire very much the qualities of Saturn. It's the definition of a blessing disguised as bad fortune.

As for it ruling Aquarius on its own (like the title of this thread), I personally think it fits well with the sign but don't reject the idea of Uranus ruling it as well.

It's a bit complicated - even if it rules Aquarius then it wouldn't directly have much of an effect on the personal lives of people, would it?. Uranus is definitely a higher, spiritual energy to me, which has an affinity for the sign. I believe each sign is a spectrum of meaning which vibrates on many levels - from the ones we can easily pinpoint to those that are far out of our human understanding.

For the purposes of simplicity it's easier to think of Saturn as the main ruler of Aquarius.

Most of us live our lives in a under the rule of Saturn. People push through hardships to try achieve material success. Work in jobs for decades to slowly achieve a sense of comfort, to buy a house and have a family of their own. They learn from bad experiences like heartbreak, depression, loneliness, etc. The world is far too unevolved to be centered around, say a Neptunian goal. That'd be way more focused on world-peace and unconditional love.

JUPITERASC said:

SATURN is cold

and

dry

and inimical to life

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What would we be without an energy that forced us to be objective and give us distance from emotions and life? We wouldn't have science, humility wouldn't exist. The most powerful force of astrology would be the integration of every planet in a perfect harmonic way. We need all of them, don't we?

JUPITERASC said:

Saturn is cooling and moderately drying, malefic, masculine and diurnal. Phainon makes those born under him dark-skinned, robust, black-haired, curly-haired, hairy-chested, and with eyes of moderate size, middling stature, having excess of cold and moist when morning rising, and dark, slender, small, straight-haired, with little bodily hair, rather graceful, black-eyed, having excess of cold and dry when evening rising, and in general, annoying, concealing, avaricious, ignorant, consistent, reserved, petty, malicious, having many anxieties, throwing themselves down, fond of solitude, deceitful, downcast, hypocritical, squalid, clothed in black, deviant, importunate, sullen and miserable. Saturn controls depressions and sluggishness, obstacles in business, interminable lawsuits, subversion of action, secrets, restraints, imprisonment, grief, accusations, tears, being orphaned, captivity, haunting, farmers, gardeners, workers of property, managers, seafaring and waterside trades, tax collectors, the elders, violent action, guardianship, great reputation, notable ranks, lands, administration of that which belongs to others, fathership of the children of others, bachelors, widows, childlessness, violent deaths by water, strangulation, dysentery, falling on the face, injuries and lower respiratory infections, the skeletal system, the lymphatic system and the immune system, building materials like wood and stone, lead, dark colours and astringent tastes. It chronocrator over late old age up to death.

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Thanks for leaving these quotes with their respective references by the way. I often find traditional astrological texts to be the most scrupulous. Haven't read the Tetrabiblos by Ptolemy thoroughly, so I might just do it after readign Vettius Valens' anthology.

obsidianmineral said:

As for it ruling Aquarius on its own (like the title of this thread), I personally think it fits well with the sign
but don't reject the idea of Uranus ruling it as well.
It's a bit complicated
- even if it rules Aquarius
then it wouldn't directly have much of an effec
t on the personal lives of people, would it?
. Uranus is definitely a higher, spiritual energy to me, which has an affinity for the sign. I believe each sign is a spectrum of meaning which vibrates on many levels - from the ones we can easily pinpoint to those that are far out of our human understanding.
For the purposes of simplicity it's easier to think of Saturn as the main ruler of Aquarius.
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obviously, invisible outer planets are Modernist astrological
HOWEVER
clearly

because

this thread discussion is on our traditional board

for thousands of years
Traditionally, Saturn IS the SOLE DOMICILE ruler of AQUARIUS

obsidianmineral said:

The world is far too unevolved
to be centered around, say a Neptunian goal.
That'd be way more focused on world-peace and unconditional love.

by the way
did you read the rules of our traditional board?

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Traditional Astrology board
is for discussions on Traditional Astrology only.
.....and
always excludes modern planets
(Neptune, Uranus and Pluto,)
as well as any asteroids
The focus is less on what would be considered modern psychological
chart interpretation and more on prediction.
Members who wish to explore a combination of traditional and modern ideas
should feel free to start a new thread
in an appropriate forum for further discussion.

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Thanks for leaving these quotes
with their respective references by the way.
I often find traditional astrological texts to be the most scrupulous.

Haven't read the Tetrabiblos by Ptolemy thoroughly, so
I might just do it after reading Vettius Valens' anthology.

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Traditional astrology is based on ancient astrological texts
originally written in Ancient Greek, Latin, Arabic
and so
traditional astrologers often provide references to translations
of those ancient texts
so that interested beginners have the required information
to check for themselves
and very happy that you are utilising the references and links



BENJAMIN DYKES offers a number of translations
of previously untranslated ancient texts
at https://bendykes.com/

.Bibliography:
Robbins, F. E. (1940). Ptolemy: Tetrabiblos. William Heinmann, London.
Retrieved from http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/...blos/home.html

Valens, V. Anthologia. Translated by Mark Riley.
Retrieved from https://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt...s%20entire.pdf


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SATURN, Jupiter and Sun rejoice by day
Diurnal stars rejoice with diurnal images

Domiciles, exaltations, winds, bounds and configurations
control universal harmony


SATURN is exalted with Libra
and
depressed with Aries


Stars with their domiciles, exaltations and bounds
are always good
when benefic, they are better
when malefic, they are less bad.
Those who have many favorable placements
have distinguished nativities


Leo, Sagittarius, Aries - Sun, Jupiter, SATURN - NORTH WIND

Libra, AQUARIUS, Gemini - SATURN, Mercury, Jupiter - EAST WIND

Stars control the four divine winds.
They become good whenever the houserulers are ascending
or are post-ascending and favorably placed.
The first ruler is diurnal
the second is nocturnal
and the third is cooperating.
Changeover of the whole trigon occurs with the
completion of the rising time
and the recurrence years of the predominating houseruler
handing over to the other ruler.


In nativities, MALEFICS are better when they are post-ascending
for then they do not harm the stars and images that are ascending.
They are best when ascending and favorably placed
for then they bring good fortune.

And configurations are very strong within three degrees
SATURN and Mars are very bad with presence within three degrees
and
with tetragon and diameter rays
while Jupiter and Venus intervene with presence and all rays
https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?p=920739#post920739



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THE NATURE of SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS
is

Masculine, diurnal
cold and dry
melancholic
earthly
malevolent
the Greater Infortune
Author of solitariness


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Sun = planet of creativity, light and life
Sun rules Leo, and governs the height of summer



Saturn takes rulership of the signs that govern midwinter
Capricorn = its nocturnal home
and
Aquarius = its diurnal home.
Saturn is a diurnal planet
and more openly expressive in Aquarius than Capricorn
Capricorn and Aquarius = depths of winter in Northern Hemisphere
when life is inclined towards hibernation
and activities are impeded by the cold, dark environment
the influence of Saturn dominates the natural world
trees are bare, the ground is hard
Sun's light is weak and short-lived.

Winter is a melancholy time
Saturn governs the melancholic temperament.
Deborah Houlding


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SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS


Quote:
Originally Posted by Marius Cojoc
Greetings,
The attitude of the planet can be judge
by reporting the planet to 3 basic levels:

1.terrestrial level.
For example, if the planet is conducting businesses of a bad place
(12th place, 6th place … etc),
the planet tend to harm the native.
If the planet is not conducting businesses of such a place,
it tends to help the native.

2.planetary level.
For example, if the planet is properly configurated with their Light,
- Kronos and Zeus with Helios,
- Aphrodite and Ares with Selene
the planet tends to help the native.

3.cosmic level.
For example, if a planet in sect, occupies its domicile,
and the exaltation lord
- if it has one
- and if its from opposite sect
is not in configuration with the zoidion
the planet tends to help the native.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Marius Cojoc
Greetings
Fitness of the planet is reffering to potentiality.
As I already explain on this forum,
the potentiality it's a matter of capability, ability, strength, power
and indicate that something might have the chance to happen
or not to happen
or shows how something could be done well. In the previous message I was talking about attitude, not fitness.
In simple terms, the attitude is reffering to the potential
of the planet to do good or bad for the native.
The attitude indicates how the planet will act,
regarding the needs of the native. The cadent places are not weak in the sense of strengthens,
they are weak in pursuing the priorities in someone’s life
like pivotal places do.
The dynamic of the cadent and succedent places
will always be reported to the pivots.
The places must always be checked in triads:
12-1-2; 3-4-5; 6-7-8; 9-10-11. For example, the priorities in someone’s life
could be: health, shelter, love, achievements.
The 9th place is related with knowledge.
The native achievements will be guide by knowledge.
There is nothing weak here.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Marius Cojoc
I’m not following the medieval doctrine
but the babylonian one.
Every planet has a life cycle.
The maximum strength and vigour of a havey planet
will be in fact before it reaches its peak, after the first station,
in the phase so called, achronychial rise. about the life of human being.
The human is born, and its passing to 4 ages:
childhood (AS),
adulthood (MC),
manhood (DS),
old age (IC).
Between adulthood (MC)
and manhood (DS) you will find yourself most powerful ( 9th place).
The same logic, babilonian applied to the path of the havey planets
. Before the planet reaches its manhood, its power will be the greatest.
Retrogradation of a havey planet, in the first helical cycle,
force the planet to look forward, to the future.
After is shifting its position relative to Helios,
the planet is force to look backward, to the past.
The farther is the planet form its place of departure
the later in life the planet will give its gifts.
Its logical that retrograde planets, to grant their gifts later in life.
There are many things to say on this chapter.
I found the delineations of medieval era to be in general, slightly in error.


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Man, I thought my Saturn return would be rough. Transit Saturn in my tenth, domicile, opposite natal Moon and square ascendant though?

Ha. Ha. Ha. Ha. Ha.

Still, it's amazing how astrology works. There's a certain beauty to it, if one looks hard enough.

Not with Saturn. Unless you like getting stepped on. Which is totally up to you....

Since it's in Aqua, is the old bas'tard going to stay there for the next five years or will it be done by next year?

Blaze said:

Man, I thought my Saturn return would be rough. Transit Saturn in my tenth, domicile, opposite natal Moon and square ascendant though?
Ha. Ha. Ha. Ha. Ha.

Still, it's amazing how astrology works.

There's a certain beauty to it, if one looks hard enough.
Not with Saturn. Unless you like getting stepped on.
Which is totally up to you....
Since it's in Aqua, is the old bas'tard going to stay there for the next five years

or will it be done by next year?

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SATURN transits each house for 2.5 YEARS
UNLESS RETROGRADE


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To determine whether
SATURN SOLE DOMICILE OF AQUARIUS
is OIKODESPOTES OF A NATAL CHART
keep in mind that

the term oikodespotes aka DOMICILE MASTER
is used for domicile master/ruler of signs

for example
Mars is oikodespotes of Aries
and
Venus is oikodespotes of Taurus.
because
Mars
and
Venus
claim those signs as their dwelling place.



There is also an
oikodespotes aka DOMICILE MASTER of the whole chart itself

To determine this
first determine the predominator in a nativity.
then
The domicile ruler of the predominator's sign
is the domicile master aka OIKODESPOTES of the chart
i.e. the OIKODESPOSTES is the planet claiming the whole chart
as their dwelling place
The domicile master is the one who sets the agenda/policy in native's life.
The bound aka TERM ruler of the predominator = the oversight
i.e.
the one who sets the restriction over the domicile master
aka oikodespotes of the chart.
In chart delieneation
the domicile master of the predominator aka oikodespotes
preferably is in aspect with the predominator
and
the bound ruler of the predominator
preferably is in aspect or configured to the domicile master
aka oikodespotes of the chart.
Also important whether these planets are 'favorable' to the native.



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astrologer Charles Obert
explains the concept of essential dignities and debilities
and how they are used
to determine the condition of a planet in an astrological chart.
such as for example
SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS


synthesizing chart factors in the process of analysis
calls us to consider many factors.

Traditionally, one of the most important is
to consider the strength and dignity of the planets.


UNDERSTANDING PLANETARY DIGNITY AND DEBILITY
https://www.skyscript.co.uk/dignities.html

The 'benefics' are not constant sources of good fortune
the 'malefics' are not always damaging
nor is it fair to assume that all planets express an equal importance
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SATURN IS SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS
aka the IMAGE OF THE WATER-POURER

In ancient astrology the method
for determining the ruler of the chart was much more complex.

There are references to the MASTER OF THE NATIVITY in many
surviving astrological texts from Hellenistic astrology tradition,
but not many surviving discussions about how to calculate it.

The approach in this lecture is derived from chapter 30
of Porphyry's Introduction to the Tetrabiblos
which is itself derived from
a lost work of definitions by Antiochus of Athens.

How to calculate the predominator (epikratētōr)
the master of the nativity (oikodespotēs geneseōs)
the co-master or joint master of the nativity (sunoikodespotēs)
and the lord of the nativity (kurios).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo8gXjDEQmM&t=3470s



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