This is an interesting alternative.
The AstroDataBank at Astrodienst has at least 14 different charts labeled Nation: USA with different founding dates or times.
Tim's Yorktown chart is #14.
Here's one where an astrologer went to the trouble of matching subsequent historical events with the 1781 date of the Articles of Confederation.
https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Nation:_USA_No.8
The transiting Neptune H3 in SQ with Mars H7 in Sibley Chart shows the deception with the media to the public and the fantasy world they call 'news'...Neptune dissolves the Truth...
blackbery,
You bring up a good point: since there is SUCH an issue of deception and lying going on today in the News it SHOULD show up in the Cornwallis chart. While you find it in the Sibley chart in Neptune square Mars and focus on the "deceitfulness" this aspect indicates, there is an ADDITIONAL thing going on today. The deceptions happening are slowly dissolving away the structure of the US's cultural identity.
I was interested to see if this would be reflected in the Cornwallis chart and found it. Transiting Neptune in the house of communication is squaring natal Saturn conjunct the Sagittarian Ascendant. This shows deceptive communication stressing the very structure of the US's identity and the nature of the US's truth itself (Sagittarian Ascendant). This is interesting in light of the way that "truth" which used to be seen as an objective thing (e.g. "THE truth") is increasingly becoming a SUBjective thing (e.g., "MY truth"). This shows the Neptunian dissolving at the basis of what is truth itself in the US. Neptune in the 3rd also shows deceptiveness in communications that is going on. Since Neptune is also "spirituality" in addition to "deceptiveness" it's interesting to how this belief in relative truth is also affecting religions, as spiritual religions are having their structures dissolved and become less spiritual and more secular and focused on earth-bound issues (Saturn).
Looking at the possibilities,
Tim
OK, Tim-- Still thinking you can make your case by presenting a rightwing ideology as fact? My next parody will be of a QAnon follower Trumper conspiracy theorist interpretation.
Yours in freedom of expression, W.
blackbery,
I was interested to see if this would be reflected in the Cornwallis chart and found it. Transiting Neptune in the house of communication is squaring natal Saturn conjunct the Sagittarian Ascendant. This shows deceptive communication stressing the very structure of the US's identity and the nature of the US's truth itself (Sagittarian Ascendant). This is interesting in light of the way that "truth" which used to be seen as an objective thing (e.g. "THE truth") is increasingly becoming a SUBjective thing (e.g., "MY truth"). This shows the Neptunian dissolving at the basis of what is truth itself in the US. Neptune in the 3rd also shows deceptiveness in communications that is going on. Since Neptune is also "spirituality" in addition to "deceptiveness" it's interesting to how this belief in relative truth is also affecting religions, as spiritual religions are having their structures dissolved and become less spiritual and more secular and focused on earth-bound issues (Saturn).
Looking at the possibilities,
Tim
I was interested to see if this would be reflected in the Cornwallis chart and found it. Transiting Neptune in the house of communication is squaring natal Saturn conjunct the Sagittarian Ascendant. This shows deceptive communication stressing the very structure of the US's identity and the nature of the US's truth itself (Sagittarian Ascendant). This is interesting in light of the way that "truth" which used to be seen as an objective thing (e.g. "THE truth") is increasingly becoming a SUBjective thing (e.g., "MY truth"). This shows the Neptunian dissolving at the basis of what is truth itself in the US. Neptune in the 3rd also shows deceptiveness in communications that is going on. Since Neptune is also "spirituality" in addition to "deceptiveness" it's interesting to how this belief in relative truth is also affecting religions, as spiritual religions are having their structures dissolved and become less spiritual and more secular and focused on earth-bound issues (Saturn).
Looking at the possibilities,
Tim
Capricorn may explain a bunch.
Each sign deals with a certain relationship to time. Aquarius deals with the future. Taurus and Libra seek a balance in the present, but without a particular reaction against the past or future. They just want a continuation. Aries lives in the NOW!! without regard for either past or present. Virgo longs for a purified future, in which the "bugs and dirt" of the present will be expunged: according to Virgo's beliefs about what constitutes improvement. &c &c
Capricorn of all the signs deals most with the past, in the belief that the Good Old Days were better than today. Politically this is called being reactionary. I mean, it's head-scratching to realize that "progressive" [as in "progress"] has become a dirty word to rightwingers. American was built on the firm belief in progress!!! Capricorn's ruler Saturn rules old age, vs. youth or maturity; so it tends to be past-based.
I note that Jupiter and the 9th house rule theology and religion, but Saturn rules ecclesiastical authority; which tends to be ultra-conservative.
Last winter we went through a difficult time, with so many planets bunched up in Capricorn. A US president who condoned white backlash and the covid pandemic seem consistent with the Capricorn emphasis.
Then if you want to get traditional about it: Jupiter, normally the good luck factor, was in its fall in Capricorn and was still Saturn-ruled (traditionally) in Aquarius.
Things are looking up now that transiting Jupiter is (traditionally) domiciled in Pisces.
It really started during the Obama campaign in 2008, with his opponents claiming without credible evidence that his birth certificate was faked, and that even his name was falsified...At that time, transiting Neptune wasn't squaring the Cornwallis natal Saturn, so the "fake news" syndrome promoted by right-wingers would need another reason for coming into existence...
david,
The "birthers" were a minor movement and not representative of the majority of Conservatives or Republicans. There's no reason to look for a major transit to figure out why a few people thought a guy whose dad was connected with Africa might not have been born in the US. Once Obama's birth chart was revealed, a VERY few people continued to believe the "birther" theory but most decided to let it go. Astrologers looked at Obama's chart and found that it worked in explaining Obama's personality.
However what's going on now is a MUCH bigger fakery and confusion: men are men and women are women unless they don't want to be, people are forcing other people to call them by a made-up pronoun, medical doctors are being taught that men can give birth, etc. This is a HUGE issue of confusion and deception that threatens the basis of society. Whatever side you come down on these issues, they have resulted in massive rioting, looting, and firebombing on a level unsee in decades. This HAS to be indicated in the US's chart in order for that char to be valid, and it is, as mentioned, in the Cornwallis chart.
The LARGER issue is the Pluto return that is going on right now: the fundamental transformation of the US. This is larger than simply Pluto changing signs, it symbolizes the death and resurrection of the US. It is interesting how sometimes the Pluto return is symbolized in the Phoenix, which dies in fire and is reborn; and US cities have REGULARLY been set on fire across the nation.
Looking at the US,
Tim
I agree. Transformation is happening and will continue for quite some time. In Aquarius, It should prove very interesting. Right now, it has been dividing the people, in the first house. Next, the financial system.
david,
The "birthers" were a minor movement and not representative of the majority of Conservatives or Republicans. There's no reason to look for a major transit to figure out why a few people thought a guy whose dad was connected with Africa might not have been born in the US. Once Obama's birth chart was revealed, a VERY few people continued to believe the "birther" theory but most decided to let it go. Astrologers looked at Obama's chart and found that it worked in explaining Obama's personality.
However what's going on now is a MUCH bigger fakery and confusion: men are men and women are women unless they don't want to be, people are forcing other people to call them by a made-up pronoun, medical doctors are being taught that men can give birth, etc. This is a HUGE issue of confusion and deception that threatens the basis of society. Whatever side you come down on these issues, they have resulted in massive rioting, looting, and firebombing on a level unsee in decades. This HAS to be indicated in the US's chart in order for that char to be valid, and it is, as mentioned, in the Cornwallis chart.
The LARGER issue is the Pluto return that is going on right now: the fundamental transformation of the US. This is larger than simply Pluto changing signs, it symbolizes the death and resurrection of the US. It is interesting how sometimes the Pluto return is symbolized in the Phoenix, which dies in fire and is reborn; and US cities have REGULARLY been set on fire across the nation.
Looking at the US,
Tim
david,
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However what's going on now is a MUCH bigger fakery and confusion: men are men and women are women unless they don't want to be, people are forcing other people to call them by a made-up pronoun, medical doctors are being taught that men can give birth, etc. This is a HUGE issue of confusion and deception that threatens the basis of society. Whatever side you come down on these issues, they have resulted in massive rioting, looting, and firebombing on a level unsee in decades. This HAS to be indicated in the US's chart in order for that char to be valid, and it is, as mentioned, in the Cornwallis chart.
The LARGER issue is the Pluto return that is going on right now: the fundamental transformation of the US. This is larger than simply Pluto changing signs, it symbolizes the death and resurrection of the US. It is interesting how sometimes the Pluto return is symbolized in the Phoenix, which dies in fire and is reborn; and US cities have REGULARLY been set on fire across the nation.
Looking at the US,
Tim
I'm not too sure about the Phoenix thing. Remember, snakes shed their skin, but they remain snakes.
https://imgflip.com/i/1y3tu8
However what's going on now is a MUCH bigger fakery and confusion: men are men and women are women unless they don't want to be, people are forcing other people to call them by a made-up pronoun, medical doctors are being taught that men can give birth, etc. This is a HUGE issue of confusion and deception that threatens the basis of society. Whatever side you come down on these issues, they have resulted in massive rioting, looting, and firebombing on a level unsee in decades. This HAS to be indicated in the US's chart in order for that char to be valid, and it is, as mentioned, in the Cornwallis chart.
Tim