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Kronophobia increases in intensity, the farther past Kronos/Saturn one goes, with Pluto at the high end of the scale.
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One thing I find odd is the religious fervor people have for a space rock. You'd think this thread was attacking someones messiah.
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One thing I find odd is the religious fervor people have for a space rock. You'd think this thread was attacking someones messiah.
No, it's an attack on Modernistic astrology, which not only accepts Pluto as a astrological planet, but accords it Sign-rulership, and Chart-influence rivaling that of Saturn. Like Modernism ran the "STOP at SATURN" sign, and set off the Kronophobic alarm sirens.

Some "hybrid" astrologers are less frightened of the wrath of Saturn, and timidly use Pluto as a "data-point", but not a full-fledged Chart-influence.
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No, it's an attack on Modernistic astrology, which not only accepts Pluto as a astrological planet, but accords it Sign-rulership, and Chart-influence rivaling that of Saturn. Like Modernism ran the "STOP at SATURN" sign, and set off the Kronophobic alarm sirens.

Some "hybrid" astrologers are less frightened of the wrath of Saturn, and timidly use Pluto as a "data-point", but not a full-fledged Chart-influence.
Nah, I've seen people defend some space rock like it was their own mother. Most likely an ego-thing on both sides.

One believes this space rock does things because they were introduced to astrology with it involved.

The other doesn't use it for similar reasons.

Who's right? The one who can actually get results.
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Nah, I've seen people defend some space rock like it was their own mother. Most likely an ego-thing on both sides.

One believes this space rock does things because they were introduced to astrology with it involved.

The other doesn't use it for similar reasons.

Who's right? The one who can actually get results.
I agree that some are overrating Pluto as an astrological influence, while others are in complete denial concerning its results in the Chart.
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I agree that some are overrating Pluto as an astrological influence, while others are in complete denial concerning its results in the Chart.
Results should be all that matters. An example: In my chart, nothing that Pluto supposedly does can't be explained by Mars in the 12th - so I don't use it. It's absolutely worthless in my chart.

Now, does this mean my chart is the basis for all others? No. Perhaps it does something in some other chart, how would I know when it's impossible to know the life of the native from a simply chart glance.

Results, man. If one can prove their case on what they claim, that'd be interesting.

Suppose I'm too neutral for those arguments though.
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Results should be all that matters. An example: In my chart, nothing that Pluto supposedly does can't be explained by Mars in the 12th - so I don't use it. It's absolutely worthless in my chart.

Now, does this mean my chart is the basis for all others? No. Perhaps it does something in some other chart, how would I know when it's impossible to know the life of the native from a simply chart glance.

Results, man. If one can prove their case on what they claim, that'd be interesting.

Suppose I'm too neutral for those arguments though.
You're starting from the PREMISE that Pluto has no effect, and then demanding proof that it does.
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Blaze, is it just Pluto, or does Neptune have no discernable effect on your Chart as well?
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I see the 3 Modernistic outermosts as relating directly to mind-expansion, and life beyond the material plane.
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I see the 3 Modernistic outermosts as relating directly to mind-expansion, and life beyond the material plane.
So if I hit you really hard in the head, do the 3 outermosts continue to impact your mind-expansion beyond the material plane?
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You're starting from the PREMISE that Pluto has no effect, and then demanding proof that it does.
No no, I'm starting from no premise. Not for or against it's usage.

I'm not closed off to it doing something for others. That being said, taking established traits from the original planets and throwing them unto the dwarf planet "just because" seems strange.

But alas, that's just like, my opinion, man. On a side-note: At the very least, "Moderns" have to deal with more than just two giant di'cks in the sky. Guess I'm lucky that way.
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So if I hit you really hard in the head, do the 3 outermosts continue to impact your mind-expansion beyond the material plane?
Are you Experienced? (In the Jimi Hendrix sense of the word?)
Not necessarily recommending, just asking.

If hit, my Piscean Mars gets activated.
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Blaze, is it just Pluto, or does Neptune have no discernable effect on your Chart as well?
If they did, Saturn supersedes them, being the ruler of the sign they sit in, domicile in it's own horrific placement of Capricun't.

So, if they do have an effect that isn't already established by Saturn - dunno.
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No no, I'm starting from no premise. Not for or against it's usage.

I'm not closed off to it doing something for others. That being said, taking established traits from the original planets and throwing them unto the dwarf planet "just because" seems strange.

But alas, that's just like, my opinion, man. On a side-note: At the very least, "Moderns" have to deal with more than just two giant di'cks in the sky. Guess I'm lucky that way.
Pluto is ascribed traits unavailable from the others. Same with the other two. This is why the ancient religions required them as part of their pantheons. Osirus/Pluto (Eternity), chopped into pieces by Set/Kronos/Saturn (increments of Time).

Saturn's associated with the Grim Reaper, the ender. Pluto's about the transformation that follows. Not the same function.
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Are you Experienced? (In the Jimi Hendrix sense of the word?)
Not necessarily recommending, just asking.

If hit, my Piscean Mars gets activated.
Leo Mars - very aggressive here
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If they did, Saturn supersedes them, being the ruler of the sign they sit in, domicile in it's own horrific placement of Capricun't.

So, if they do have an effect that isn't already established by Saturn - dunno.
Neptune is the antithesis of Saturn. You can't get Neptune from any combination of the closer, more personal planets. They're not spaced-out enough!
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Leo Mars - very aggressive here
12/12 Mars in Leo: Catalytic energy!
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Pluto is ascribed traits unavailable from the others. Same with the other two. This is why the ancient religions required them as part of their pantheons. Osirus/Pluto (Eternity), chopped into pieces by Set/Kronos/Saturn (increments of Time).

Saturn's associated with the Grim Reaper, the ender. Pluto's about the transformation that follows. Not the same function.
Everything transforms. The Moon as an example, is in a near constant state of flux (of transforming it's energies) from one sign to the next. Shouldn't it rule transformation then?

What of Saturn? Saturn lords over rejection, which gives birth to rebellion, which in-turn gives birth to change, or transformation. Why doesn't it rule transformation?

There are other planets that could be used as an example, none of them outer, so how does that give Pluto it's own identity?

What you'll need is proof. Without proof, simply using different terminology won't change the fact that another planet did it first. Show me a chart of some kind where you can point it out for me, Dave. I'm willing to look and listen. Learning is fun, isn't it?
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Neptune is the antithesis of Saturn. You can't get Neptune from any combination of the closer, more personal planets. They're not spaced-out enough!
My 9th house smells pretty bad when one considers all the gas giants in it.
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Everything transforms. The Moon as an example, is in a near constant state of flux (of transforming it's energies) from one sign to the next. Shouldn't it rule transformation then?

What of Saturn? Saturn lords over rejection, which gives birth to rebellion, which in-turn gives birth to change, or transformation. Why doesn't it rule transformation?

There are other planets that could be used as an example, none of them outer, so how does that give Pluto it's own identity?

What you'll need is proof. Without proof, simply using different terminology won't change the fact that another planet did it first. Show me a chart of some kind where you can point it out for me, Dave. I'm willing to look and listen. Learning is fun, isn't it?
The Moon is heavily involved with Pluto. So are Mercury and Mars. Remember, although these Outermosts are missing from ancient astrology, they weren't available either. Both Neptune and Pluto were invisible gods, hidden beneath the waves, and in the Underworld. They functioned on their own, not as a combination of the sky-deities.
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Blaze, as I see it, Saturn is currently locked in a struggle with Pluto. This will ameliorate the effects of your Saturn return.
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Blaze, as I see it, Saturn is currently locked in a struggle with Pluto. This will ameliorate the effects of your Saturn return.
Saturn, in its domicile, ruling any planet currently in Capricorn, is having trouble with a guest it has command of?
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Saturn, in its domicile, ruling any planet currently in Capricorn, is having trouble with a guest it has command of?
Saturn's winning, but still preoccupied.
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Everything transforms. The Moon as an example, is in a near constant state of flux (of transforming it's energies) from one sign to the next. Shouldn't it rule transformation then?

What of Saturn? Saturn lords over rejection, which gives birth to rebellion, which in-turn gives birth to change, or transformation. Why doesn't it rule transformation?

There are other planets that could be used as an example, none of them outer, so how does that give Pluto it's own identity?

What you'll need is proof. Without proof, simply using different terminology won't change the fact that another planet did it first. Show me a chart of some kind where you can point it out for me, Dave. I'm willing to look and listen. Learning is fun, isn't it?
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