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Re: Sun in Essential Detriment in Tropical Aquarius

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Carole King may have "had plenty of money"
however
Carole King’s husbands/relationships over decades
led from romance to tragedy.
Hi JUPITERASC,

That has nothing to do with Aquarian Sun.

You're apparently oblivious to the fact that King's Sun is H5, not H7.

To even suggest that another person took LSD or that her relationships were difficult because of King's H5 Aquarian Sun is off-the-rails absurd and I hope you didn't break your arms or back reaching for the obtuse.

You might want to look at H8 Taurus Mars ruling H7 applying to Taurus Saturn.

You missed the obvious hints.

Aquarian Sun is not in detriment or debilitated, because it causes people to be disciplined in certain matters and to strive to achieve goals, however perverted those goals might be.

In case you didn't know, H5 is the artsy house and it also trines Ascendant. Her H5 Aquarian Sun is what gave her the discipline and drive to be a successful singer, song-writer and performer in spite of what happened with her relationships.

A Piscean Sun is far more debilitated and in detriment than an Aquarian Sun ever could be. Without the critical aspects from Mars or Saturn, that person isn't going anywhere.

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Her H5 Aquarian Sun is what gave her the discipline
and drive to be a successful singer, song-writer and performer in spite of what happened with her relationships.
A Piscean Sun is far more debilitated and in detriment
than an Aquarian Sun ever could be.
Without the critical aspects from Mars or Saturn, that person isn't going anywhere.
you might want to read your own comment
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Can someone show me
how Carole King
was harmed?


She's 75 and still writing songs, still performing in public and on TV and not in the poor-house.

I'm not seeing
how her life
is a Greek tragedy.
to which my response is clear
as follows

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Carole King may have "had plenty of money"
however
Carole King’s husbands/relationships over decades
led from romance to tragedy.

In Goffin's case, it was his use of LSD.
King leaves out his supposed affairs.

Carole King divorced husband No. 2, bass player Charles Larkey
after two kids and six years of marriage.
Most of Carole King’s husbands are still alive
but not Rick Evers, struggling musician
who became Carole King's third husband.

Rick Evers died from an overdose of cocaine
at a shooting gallery in Los Angeles in 1978
leaving King a widow at age 36.

Carole King slow to recognize the red flags
in Evers’ increasingly possessive, paranoid behavior
reveals
1978, when married and back in L.A., Laurel Canyon
Evers slugged her in the jaw without any warning.

and unfortunately

This soon became a pattern:
While she was lying on the ground
Evers would cry and apologize.

Carole King writes: “......I’d always thought, if I found myself with a man like that
first time he struck me
I would never stay with an abuser.
Until I did.....”
Carole King learned to say “no” to her cash-dependant husband
who constantly asked her for money to buy drugs
she eventually left Evers.

Husband No. 4, carpenter from Idaho Rick Sorensen, aka "Teepee Rick," to whom Carole King was married from 1982 to 1987
bought a large ranch with her in central Idaho
which he managed until they split.
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Hi JUPITERASC,

That has nothing to do with Aquarian Sun.
You're apparently oblivious to the fact that King's Sun is H5, not H7.
To even suggest that another person took LSD
or that her relationships were difficult because of King's H5 Aquarian Sun
is off-the-rails absurd
and I hope you didn't break your arms or back reaching for the obtuse.
you too AJ
not all are acute unfortunately - join the club
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You might want to look at H8 Taurus Mars ruling H7 applying to Taurus Saturn.
You missed the obvious hints.
Aquarian Sun is not in detriment or debilitated, because
it causes people to be disciplined in certain matters
and to strive to achieve goals, however perverted those goals might be.
you are entitled to your opinion obviously
however
clearly people disciplined in certain matters
who strive to achieve goals
however perverted those goals could be
are not limited to being SUN AQUARIUS
however
many with Aquarius Sun with "perverted goals" are documented serial killers
as documented earlier on this thread
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In case you didn't know, H5 is the artsy house and it also trines Ascendant.
in case you did not know, House Five Significations include:
Love affairs, romance, lovemaking, sex.
If afflicted, promiscuity, sexual inhibition, immorality
overindulgence
and
scandals.

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/temples/h5.html

The acute probably already noted CAROLE KING has AQUARIUS SUN FIFTH HOUSE

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Carole King may have "had plenty of money"
however
Carole King’s husbands/relationships over decades
led from romance to tragedy.

In Goffin's case, it was his use of LSD.
King leaves out his supposed affairs.

Carole King divorced husband No. 2, bass player Charles Larkey
after two kids and six years of marriage.
Most of Carole King’s husbands are still alive
but not Rick Evers, struggling musician
who became Carole King's third husband.

Rick Evers died from an overdose of cocaine
at a shooting gallery in Los Angeles in 1978
leaving King a widow at age 36.

Carole King slow to recognize the red flags
in Evers’ increasingly possessive, paranoid behavior
reveals
1978, when married and back in L.A., Laurel Canyon
Evers slugged her in the jaw without any warning.

and unfortunately

This soon became a pattern:
While she was lying on the ground
Evers would cry and apologize.

Carole King writes: “......I’d always thought, if I found myself with a man like that
first time he struck me
I would never stay with an abuser.
Until I did.....”
Carole King learned to say “no” to her cash-dependant husband
who constantly asked her for money to buy drugs
she eventually left Evers.

Husband No. 4, carpenter from Idaho Rick Sorensen, aka "Teepee Rick," to whom Carole King was married from 1982 to 1987
bought a large ranch with her in central Idaho
which he managed until they split.
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Re: Sun in Essential Detriment in Tropical Aquarius

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you too AJ
not all are acute unfortunately - join the club

you are entitled to your opinion obviously
however
clearly people disciplined in certain matters
who strive to achieve goals
however perverted those goals could be
are not limited to being SUN AQUARIUS
however
many with Aquarius Sun with "perverted goals" are documented serial killers
as documented earlier on this thread
Hi JUPITERASC,

According to Scientific American who derived their data from the FBI, only about 1% of all murders in the US are the work of serial killers.

Giving you the great benefit of the doubt and assuming that each murder was the work of a serial killer, that would mean there are ~150 active serial killers at any given time, which would be 150 / 260,020,000 = 5.768787016383355e-5%

or 0.0000577% of the population (with 260 Million as the US population reported by the US Census Bureau according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics and is the adult population of the US who are neither incarcerated nor hospitalized).

As LiveWire noted, February is typically the month with the least number of births and August the month with the most births, but all things being equal, statistically the number of serial killers with an Aquarian Sun would be

4.807322513652796e-6% or 0.0000048%

That means 12.5 serial killers with an Aquarian Sun, but it also means 12.5 serial killers with a Leo Sun.

To suggest that is "many" is off-the-rails whacko.

There would be 12.5 serial killers with Leo Suns, which is hardly "many."

The fact that there are serial killers with Leo Suns refutes your silly claims.

Sun is exalted in Aries and the fact that there are Aries serial killers refutes your baseless claim, too, unless you're going to claim Sun is in detriment in Leo and Aries.

No doubt you have an unhealthy bizarre inordinate fascination with serial killers, but it has no place here and you lost this this debate.

So give it up already.

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in case you did not know, House Five Significations include:
Love affairs, romance, lovemaking, sex.
If afflicted, promiscuity, sexual inhibition, immorality
overindulgence
and
scandals.

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/temples/h5.html

The acute probably already noted CAROLE KING has AQUARIUS SUN FIFTH HOUSE

That's modern astrology nonsense.

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Carole King may have "had plenty of money"
however
Carole King’s husbands/relationships over decades
led from romance to tragedy.
That has nothing to do with her Aquarian Sun.

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In Goffin's case, it was his use of LSD.

King leaves out his supposed affairs.
King's Aquarian Sun did not cause any person to use LSD.

Your claim that it did is off-the-rails whacko.

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Carole King divorced husband No. 2, bass player Charles Larkey

after two kids and six years of marriage.
Most of Carole King’s husbands are still alive
but not Rick Evers, struggling musician
who became Carole King's third husband.

Rick Evers died from an overdose of cocaine
at a shooting gallery in Los Angeles in 1978
leaving King a widow at age 36.
Again, just in case you're unable to understand, nothing in anyone's chart can cause another to do something.

You can't even delineate her chart right.

King has Libra-rising. So, what sign is H7? Uh, that would be Aries. Who rules Aries? Uh, that would be Mars. Where is Mar? Uh, in the Taurus H8 joining Saturn.

That is the problem, not to mention the 12th Part of Venus is sitting in H8 right on top of Mars/Saturn. Venus significates marriages and although she isn't damaged, she's retrograde and gets no help from Moon, Sun or Jupiter.

Even if we were to accept your modern astrology nonsense, H5 ruler Saturn is not in sect in Taurus H8 and damaged by Mars.

In King's chart, Sun is not the significator of marriages and relationships.

Geez, even a novice could figure that out.

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Are you ever going to prove your claims or what? Because posting useless links to videos doesn't prove anything.
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Hi JUPITERASC,

According to Scientific American who derived their data from the FBI, only about 1% of all murders in the US are the work of serial killers.
Giving you the great benefit of the doubt and assuming that each murder was the work of a serial killer, that would mean there are ~150 active serial killers at any given time, which would be 150 / 260,020,000 = 5.768787016383355e-5%
or 0.0000577% of the population (with 260 Million as the US population reported by the US Census Bureau according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics and is the adult population of the US who are neither incarcerated nor hospitalized).
As LiveWire noted, February is typically the month with the least number of births and August the month with the most births, but all things being equal, statistically the number of serial killers with an Aquarian Sun would be
4.807322513652796e-6% or 0.0000048%
That means 12.5 serial killers with an Aquarian Sun, but it also means 12.5 serial killers with a Leo Sun.
To suggest that is "many" is off-the-rails whacko.
There would be 12.5 serial killers with Leo Suns, which is hardly "many."
The fact that there are serial killers with Leo Suns refutes your silly claims.
Sun is exalted in Aries and the fact that there are Aries serial killers refutes your baseless claim, too, unless you're going to claim Sun is in detriment in Leo and Aries.
No doubt you have an unhealthy bizarre inordinate fascination with serial killers, but it has no place here and you lost this this debate.
So give it up already.
That's modern astrology nonsense.
That has nothing to do with her Aquarian Sun.
King's Aquarian Sun did not cause any person to use LSD.
Your claim that it did is off-the-rails whacko.
Again, just in case you're unable to understand, nothing in anyone's chart can cause another to do something.
You can't even delineate her chart right.
King has Libra-rising. So, what sign is H7? Uh, that would be Aries. Who rules Aries? Uh, that would be Mars. Where is Mar? Uh, in the Taurus H8 joining Saturn.
That is the problem, not to mention the 12th Part of Venus is sitting in H8 right on top of Mars/Saturn. Venus significates marriages and although she isn't damaged, she's retrograde and gets no help from Moon, Sun or Jupiter.
Even if we were to accept your modern astrology nonsense, H5 ruler Saturn is not in sect in Taurus H8 and damaged by Mars.
In King's chart, Sun is not the significator of marriages and relationships.
Geez, even a novice could figure that out.
Are you ever going to prove your claims or what? Because posting useless links to videos doesn't prove anything.
I'm no expert, I'm simply a learning member
on our worldwide astrological learning forum
many thanks
to use your own great descriptive phrase
for that interminable laundry list
by the way
this thread is not on our traditional board
therefore modernist astrological ideas are not excluded
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You keep listing serial killers with Aquarian Suns, but
not once have you attempted
or even show that the Aquarian Sun is the causal factor.
you keep saying you cannot find any Aquarius Sun serial killers
on your paltry Kepler database
then oddly

you object when I post plentiful evidence of Aquarius Sun serial killers
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I simply could not find
anyone with an Aquarian Sun
who suffered
or was a criminal......

If Aquarian Sun was truly a detriment,
you'd expect to see more criminals,
more ne'er-do-wells and more infamous people,
but you see exactly the opposite.
Notable people with productive lives.

clearly
I simply easily found plentiful criminal Aquarian suns

examples of AQUARIUS "infaous people"
who according to you are nowhere to be found


Gary Ray Bowles is an American AQUARIUS serial killer born 25 January 1962 Clifton Forge, Virginia.
Bisexual, never married had no children, was known to abuse alcohol and drugs
and beat and strangled six men to death to steal their credit cards in 1994.
He was known to kill at the home of the victim.
At the time of his crimes he was living alone homeless in Florida, Georgia and Maryland
where he was known to work as a prostitute.
Bowles became a suspect after police found his fingerprints and probation records at a crime scene
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I would say Sun in Aqua is highly functional, and
good at overcoming adversity.
It's a good example
for exploring the concept of "debilities", which
may not be as bad as it sounds.

Bowles murdered five other men
in Nassau County, Florida; Jacksonville, Florida; Savannah, Georgia; Atlanta, Georgia; and Wheaton, Maryland.
Bowles was placed on the FBI's 10 Most Wanted Fugitive List.
Gary Ray Bowles was arrested 22 November 1994 Age 32
convicted 6 September 1996 Age 34
sentenced to death by electrocution at Union Correctional Institution, Florida State Prison
Raiford Prison in Raiford, Florida, US.
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informative

Meaning of the Sun in Aquarius
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNMDNt9nwUE


also
generously FREE from Charlie Obert
at http://theastrologypodcast.com/2018/...YNlDgSz2m19brA
In episode 156 of THE ASTROLOGY PODCAST astrologer Charles Obert
explains the concept of essential dignities and debilities
and how they are used
to determine the condition of a planet in an astrological chart
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How about comparing the number of Sun Aquarians in the entire world
against the number of Sun Aquarians who are known murderers?
What's the percentage? Is it statistically significant?
keep us updated with your research on that
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For those seeking more clarity on the concept of "essential dignities" in astrology
an in-depth view of the categories of rulership and DETRIMENT aka EXILE
as well as exaltation and fall or depression.
also explores common misconceptions about planetary dignities, along the way
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Carol King was knocked up by Goffin prior to marrying. That could be a simple expression of her Sun in detriment in the 5th house IMHO. I also think that her 10 years of behind the scenes songwriting interfered with her ambitions to be a solo artist (which is how she began her career in the 50s). I have both Jupiter and Venus in detriment - they operate in a way that makes one struggle to express the planets fully. Depending on mitigating factors, they can show little "offness" or they can act in very awkward ways. My daughter has Sun in Aquarius in her 7th and she has struggled with intimate relationships. I think it's the Sun acting too much in the mental realms that interferes in the emotional connection. FYI - no serial killing risk factors in play.
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I also think that her 10 years of behind the scenes songwriting interfered with her ambitions to be a solo artist (which is how she began her career in the 50s).
Hi Kite,

On what planet was that?

Are you presenting some kind of bizarre alternative history?

When King was 30, you know, in 1972 (born in 1942), she won 3 Grammy awards as a solo artist for her Tapestry album.

30 ≠ 50s

So, I don't know what you're going on about.


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informative

Meaning of the Sun in Aquarius
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNMDNt9nwUE


also
generously FREE from Charlie Obert
at http://theastrologypodcast.com/2018/...YNlDgSz2m19brA
In episode 156 of THE ASTROLOGY PODCAST astrologer Charles Obert
explains the concept of essential dignities and debilities
and how they are used
to determine the condition of a planet in an astrological chart

Hi JUPITERASC,

Do you actually practice astrology?

Because I'm beginning to think all you do is spam the forum with useless videos and podcasts.


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Gary Ray Bowles is an American AQUARIUS serial killer born 25 January 1962 Clifton Forge, Virginia.
.
You have still failed to prove an Aquarian Sun is detrimental.

In spite of your listing of serial killers, not once have you shown the Aquarian Sun to be a causal factor, but that's probably because you don't understand astrology.

And, we know you don't understand astrology, because you rather ridiculously tried to claim Sun governs marriages/relationships in a female's chart, namely Carole King's, when real astrologers know it's Moon and Venus.

How could you not know it's Moon and Venus?

Since Carole King is not a serial killer, obviously an Aquarian Sun cannot solely be a causal factor for serial killers.

Instead of spamming the forum with useless videos and podcasts, why don't you actually attempt to apply the nonsense in them to one of the charts here?
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Hi Kite,

On what planet was that?

Are you presenting some kind of bizarre alternative history?

When King was 30, you know, in 1972 (born in 1942), she won 3 Grammy awards as a solo artist for her Tapestry album.

30 ≠ 50s

So, I don't know what you're going on about.
She began her career in the late 1950s - it took until 1972 for her solo artist recognition. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carole_King
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You have still failed to prove an Aquarian Sun is detrimental.
you said
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.

I simply could not find
anyone with an Aquarian Sun
who suffered
or was a criminal.



The closest thing was Jimmy Hoffa
(a criminal union boss associated with organized crime who disappeared)
and Sharon Tate (Manson murders).
If Aquarian Sun was truly a detriment,
you'd expect to see more criminals,
more ne'er-do-wells and more infamous people,
but you see exactly the opposite.
Notable people with productive lives.
you have not shown the benefits of being murdered
in contrast
I shared more than sixteen Aquarius serial killers with dob
the data is there to create their charts free, gratis and for nothing
if anyone chooses to do that
you also claimed

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Serial killers are very Saturnian, not Solar.

The word "serial" in "serial killer" should have been your very first clue that serial killers are Saturnian, not Solar or Mercurial or Martian.

Serial killers are highly disciplined.

A Saturnian quality. They make few mistakes,

another Saturnian quality, which is why it takes so long to catch them, if they're even caught at all.

Serial killers are very selective about their victims, often spending days, weeks or months (and in some instances years) stalking them.

Just another Saturnian quality.

Serial killers are extremely meticulous in their planning, one more
Saturnian quality, which is also why they are difficult to catch, if they're ever caught at all.

Serial killers repeatedly employ the same manner/method of death, which is their "signature" and is often how they are named by police or the media, and is

yet one more Saturnian quality.
None of that has anything to do with an Aquarian Sun.
your impressive contribution to this thread then
is
that in your opinion
SATURNIAN quality
"...has nothing to do with...."
an
AQUARIAN Sun
Siriusly
you obviously are unaware
AQUARIUS is a DOMICILE of SATURN


keep in mind also that

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Carol King was knocked up by Goffin prior to marrying.
That could be a simple expression of her Sun in detriment in the 5th house IMHO
. I also think that her 10 years of behind the scenes songwriting
interfered with her ambitions to be a solo artist
(which is how she began her career in the 50s).

I have both Jupiter and Venus in detriment
- they operate in a way that makes one struggle to express the planets fully.

Depending on mitigating factors, they can show little "offness"
or they can act in very awkward ways.

My daughter has Sun in Aquarius in her 7th
and she has struggled with intimate relationships.

I think it's the Sun acting too much in the mental realms
that interferes in the emotional connection.
FYI - no serial killing risk factors in play.
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