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Trumpublicans are RINOs. True Republicans care about the environment.
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DemocRats are radical leftists. True Democrats care about our Constitution.
Isn't impeachment by Congress included in the Constitution? Assuming that's what prompted your post.
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I'm hoping they get Trump to testify under oath! Now, THAT should be interesting!
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Joe diGenova: This was an embarassment for Dems, great day for Trump
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Isn't impeachment by Congress included in the Constitution? Assuming that's what prompted your post.
Yes, but as Pelosi says, there should be bipartisan support and the evidence should be overwhelming. Also the same rule should apply to someone with whom we agree disagree politically. Where is Biden's impeachment hearing?

But I was talking about Dems desire to take away our guns, throw out the Electoral College, have lower judges overrule the president of the United States, etc.
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Yes, but as Pelosi says, there should be bipartisan support and the evidence should be overwhelming. Also the same rule should apply to someone with whom we agree disagree politically. Where is Biden's impeachment hearing?

But I was talking about Dems desire to take away our guns, throw out the Electoral College, have lower judges overrule the president of the United States, etc.
The Electoral College was created to preserve the institution of Slavery. Most Dems are against assault rifles, but not legal gun ownership for defensive purposes. The President isn't a king, and is subject to the rule of law.
The impeachment of Bill Clinton was almost entirely along Party-lines.
They can't impeach someone who's not in office. They'll have to wait until he's elected President.
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Tucker: Democrats have no actual plan for impeachment
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The Electoral College was created to preserve the institution of Slavery.
That's your opinion.

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Most Dems are against assault rifles, but not legal gun ownership for defensive purposes.
Yeah, right. You guys don't stop. England bans knives! Go look for videos of AK47 rifles and you will see they are just dressed up rifles with no more power than a non-dressed up rifle. "When the human condition resists perfection through legislation, the answer always seems to be more and stupider laws."

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The President isn't a king, and is subject to the rule of law.
Then please show us the law he broke forcing lower court judges to override his authority?


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The impeachment of Bill Clinton was almost entirely along Party-lines.
Impeachment inquiry was bipartisan. It gave the minority some rights to call witnesses and to issue subpoenas.

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They can't impeach someone who's not in office. They'll have to wait until he's elected President.
Yes, they can to prevent someone from holding office in the future.
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Democrats move from 'quid pro quo' to 'bribery'
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Tom Fitton: "It's Gossip Girl Impeachment!"
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That's your opinion.



Yeah, right. You guys don't stop. England bans knives! Go look for videos of AK47 rifles and you will see they are just dressed up rifles with no more power than a non-dressed up rifle. "When the human condition resists perfection through legislation, the answer always seems to be more and stupider laws."



Then please show us the law he broke forcing lower court judges to override his authority?




Impeachment inquiry was bipartisan. It gave the minority some rights to call witnesses and to issue subpoenas.



Yes, they can to prevent someone from holding office in the future.
Just look up the history of how the Electoral College was created. It's not just my "opinion". Never heard of that last one. Where did you see it?
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Tom Fitton: "It's Gossip Girl Impeachment!"
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Well, pressuring a foreign government to investigate a political opponent sounds a lot less "gossipy" than a consenual s*x-act with an employee.
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Just look up the history of how the Electoral College was created. It's not just my "opinion". Never heard of that last one. Where did you see it?
The basis of this idea is that some of the founders were slave holders and therefore the Constitution and the election process are a product of slavery. This completely lacks understanding what our nation was working to build. Yes there was slavery and compromises were made but to hold the view it permeated every aspect of our building this country and needs to be discarded is reckless thinking, imo.

In considering how a president would be elected, the small states, whether they had slaves or not, were worried about a simple popular vote. In those days what the states held above all else was their sovereignty and they feared large states would outvote them time and again. "The Electoral College was a way to balance power between large and small states in America's new experiment in self-governance." In my humble opinion, that makes more sense to me than fearing slaves. To me it's has stood the test of time.

We never heard of the impeachment of people out of office because I don't know that it has ever been considered and I'm sure it would be debated virgorously. But, William Murphy, professor of American History at the State University of New York, stated that former officials like Biden may also be impeached after they leave office. Also Harvard Law School Professor Cass R. Sunstein, a prominent Democrat who served in the Obama White House and wrote Impeachment: A Citizenís Guide (2017). Republicans would never consider such action.
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The basis of this idea is that some of the founders were slave holders and therefore the Constitution and the election process are a product of slavery. This completely lacks understanding what our nation was working to build. Yes there was slavery and compromises were made but to hold the view it permeated every aspect of our building this country and needs to be discarded is reckless thinking, imo.

In considering how a president would be elected, the small states, whether they had slaves or not, were worried about a simple popular vote. In those days what the states held above all else was their sovereignty and they feared large states would outvote them time and again. "The Electoral College was a way to balance power between large and small states in America's new experiment in self-governance." In my humble opinion, that makes more sense to me than fearing slaves. To me it's has stood the test of time.

We never heard of the impeachment of people out of office because I don't know that it has ever been considered and I'm sure it would be debated virgorously. But, William Murphy, professor of American History at the State University of New York, stated that former officials like Biden may also be impeached after they leave office. Also Harvard Law School Professor Cass R. Sunstein, a prominent Democrat who served in the Obama White House and wrote Impeachment: A Citizen’s Guide (2017). Republicans would never consider such action.
We already have a way to balance power, because each State gets 2 Senators, regardless of population. Every other elected office in the nation is decided by Popular vote. And, since the President represents and serves the entire country instead of a single State, the Presidency should be decided by the Popular vote of the entire country.
The Slave-States insisted on the Electoral College before they would ratify the Constitution. The single reason was, they feared an antiSlavery President.
The Republican Party is benefiting from the split between the Electoral and Popular votes, which originally appeared to occur in the Gore/Bush campaign*, and became much larger in the last Presidential election. Since you're a Republican, you WOULD say the Electoral College has stood the test of time, since it has recently benefited the Republican candidates. But, when it appeared that Romney would win the 2012 Popular vote (which ended up not being the case) and lose the Electoral vote, Trump himself declared the E.C. should be abolished!

*Gore ended up winning the Popular vote in Florida, which should have meant he won the Electoral College vote also, but by the time the recount was finished it was too late. And, the "non-Partisan" Supreme Court, in a 5 to 4 decision, denied a timely recount--get this--on the grounds that it would "harm the interests of George W. Bush"! Unbelievable!

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Tom Fitton: Obama White House Logs Detail Meetings of Alleged Whistleblower
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Soon enough you'll have Texas (Beto almost beat Cruz) and you will have the electoral college and popular vote sewn up. Never know how history will evolve.
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The National Popular Vote is an idea to get behind.

"The National Popular Vote would create incentives to campaign nationally since getting ten more votes in Arkansas would be as beneficial as getting 10 more votes in Ohio. You would see the Democratic candidate campaigning in Texas and the Republican candidate campaigning in California. This would increase the likelihood that voters would feel they can have an influence on the election and in turn increase voter participation."

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As it is now, millions of voters are essentially disenfranchised, because if their State is even just above 50% of the Popular vote for one candidate, ALL the Electoral votes go to that candidate. In California, Republican voters earn NO Electoral votes for their candidate, even though they make up about 30% of the total Popular vote--all the Electoral votes go to the Democratic candidate for President. And, vice versa in Red States.

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The whistleblower did not think this through: Former CIA whistleblower
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President Trump and his polls are going to come out even STRONGER when this impeachment hoax is over and his innocence is proven once again!

Make America Great again! Trump for president 2020!

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Who else is NOT tired of WINNING!?

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