tsmall
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p.s. tsmall-- this is a thread about dignity and debility in modern astrology. I would love to hear what more you have to say about it.
Ok, but I'm not the most qualified to answer this question. Please remember that the only reason I got involved in this thread was to try to point out that there were misconceptions surrounding what dignity and debility really does or should mean to traditional astrologers. I couldn't personally allow that to pass, because a thread trashing traditional methods is just as abhorrent to me as a thread trashing all of modern astrology. That said, in my opinion there is a very big difference in how modern astrology views dignity, and to some extent debility. And it is my position that if a modern astrologer really, really wanted to do as I have done and spend a couple of years just trying to figure out how to reconcile them to actual charts...well then she may have another tool to add to the toolbox. Personally, I think sect plays a larger role in chart delineation...because, to me at least, what essential dignity does is provide a planet with inherent resources. It, by itself, cannot tell you how that planet will use those resources (which is why the total condition of the planet needs to come before the aspects.)
Again in my own personal opinion, modern astrology has it going on with interpreting aspects..both the positive and negative manifestations of them. Where it falls down, again in my own opinion (have I stated that enough to make sure I am speaking only from my own viewpoint??) is in waffling between the two. On another thread, waybread, you and I recently spoke about a Jupiter transit and how it will manifest...suppose I had posted my chart, with Jupiter transiting my 8th. Would a modern astrologer have been able to pick out that it would mean I would need to come to terms with death by going to 3 funerals in five weeks?
I would also like to insert my "Libraness" (Sun, Mercury, Jupiter, ASC, and Uranus if you use him all posited in Libra) here and just say...would you two knock it off?
Paul and w, are your Mercury's disjunct? Neither one of you is attacking the other, rather what this thread is doing is causing you to dig in your heels and close your minds, and that is being perceived as "attacking." This is a side effect of playing devil's advocate. Clearly, from other posts made by both of you, Paul has joined us at waybread's invitation. Which obviously means that there is or at least was mutual respect on both sides. What is also clear is that there is a communication problem occuring. I would (again personally) hate to see a mutual respect disintegrate due to an inability to communicate.
byjove...cans of worms all over the place, and to speak to your remark about snobishness...I also didn't find any snobishness here. I believe, though I may well be reading you/the question incorrectly, that you are still trying to find a way around peregrination, and debility. You have it...because the biggest difference between what is perceived as modern is psychology, and what is perceived as traditional is prediction (though they both provide each) and we need to get past that to figure out how to predict what will happen, and then how to predict how an unknowing native would deal with it...and then predict how a prepared native can navigate the choices and make them work for him/her.
Prescience is ever-lovin' useful. No matter what label you want to give to astrology (and I'm no more a fan of labels than I am of weighted scoring systems) at the end of the day the point is the same. How can we help the native prepare for what is to come, and use the resources that are available to him/her? Life...happens, and we all have to live within the limits of the cards we are dealt. The only choice, and the most important choice, we get to make is how we play the hand.