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Unread 07-08-2009, 02:45 PM
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Re: Astrology Predicts Meanings, Not Events

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Originally Posted by Amzolt
So many people have missed so many points of what I originally posted that I thought it might help if I re-posted; then, I thought, no, it's right there for anyone who wants to understand...
Amzolt,........I really do want to understand and I've tried hard to do so.....However, it's hard when you make statements which appear to mean the same but in fact do not......like :-

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Astrology does not, will not, and never has predicted events.
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I have clearly disputed the claim that specific events can be predicted.
My problem here is that I agree wholeheartedly with the first statement and disagree wholeheartedly with the second.......So, how do you reconcile the two Amzolt?
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I then encounter further problems in understanding because you've consistently failed to address any of the comments on this thread that challenge your original assertion.......other than to restate the latter and claim your own point(s) had been missed.........For example, if you "dispute the claim that specific events can be predicted", what is your explanation for the specifically predicted events which Lillyjc has listed?
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Next, I have difficulty finding the "many points that so many people missed" in your original post........So, let's take that paragraph by paragraph below :-

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...Astrology does not, will not, and never has predicted events.

For me, this is a true statement which I believe is widely accepted by the astrological community.......and I certainly do not find it "really hard to believe".

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Yes. It's the absolute truth, even if some astrologer "predicted" something for you. If an astrologer tells you something is going to happen, don't you think that, if it does, there may just be a bit of self-fulfillment in that?

If it came true, the prediction was correct..........Why it came true is not relevant (in relation to your later statement disputing the claim that specific events can be predicted).

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What astrology does predict or reveal is Meaning.

Maybe.........but you have yet to enter into any discussion about this, so it's hard for me to form any conclusions about the validity of this statement.....I certainly do not accept it as true merely because someone states it to be.

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O.K. What if an astrologer says some event happened in your past, and, in fact, it did happen?"....Believe it or not, what happened is that the astrologer saw a meaning in the chart and made a very good guess at the exact event.

If it came true, the prediction was correct.......why it came true is not relevant (in relation to your later statement disputing the claim that specific events can be predicted).

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Here's some proof of that: (anecdote about two men)

My understanding of what you are saying here is that two people with identical charts do not experience identical events (when a transit or other astrological contact occurs)......but rather an event that has (for them) the same "meaning"........For me, this is a true statement but not earth-shattering.

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They (the two men) used exactly the same, and not so common, word to describe what two very different events meant...

The "not so common word" is shackles.........Which is precisely the word I would normally use to describe an event that freed me from restraint.......What are the alternative words that they might have been expected to use?


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Finally, let's consider the points you make later in the thread :-

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What's interesting to me, with all the debate of astrology's supposed ability to predict events, is the scientific principle that, with a ton of experiential agreements with any given theory, that theory is never proven, only more clearly validated in its potential usefulness.........Yet, all it takes is one experiential fact that disagrees with the theory to disprove it...

Scientific principles relate to the world of science......And I'm more than happy to view the priciples of astrology as still being beyond the limited understanding of the world of science.........Let's stick to astrology on the forum.

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My experience with those two men happened well over 25 years ago and it's taken most of that time for me to train myself to perform as an astrologer who accepts the disproof of the theory of astrological prediction of events.....Strange how persistently the ego-mind can cling to falsehoods, eh?

Again, you are making here a general assumption based on your own limited experience.........Your ego-mind may indeed cling persistently to falsehoods, but that may not be the case for others.

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I actually didn't say that predicting events was impossible, I said astrology doesn't predict events.

How do you reconcile this statement with the statement you make later that "I have clearly disputed the claim that specific events can be predicted..."

Is it the word "specific" (which semantically reconciles the two otherwise conflicting statements)?

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"...all it takes is one contrary occurrence of something to disprove a theory..."

Yes.......in the scientific world........but isn't this an astrology forum?

EJ

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