david starling
Well-known member
Robert Zoller, Aqua Sun and Pisces Ascendant. NOT a serial killer.
for exampleI would say Sun in Aqua is highly functional, and
good at overcoming adversity.
It's a good example
for exploring the concept of "debilities", which
may not be as bad as it sounds.
Yoshio Kodaira was a Japanese AQUARIUSSo, you're saying Sun in Aquarius is inherently weak in some way or other, as a generalization?
I haven't noticed that in practice.
What evidence supports the theory in your experience
(not necessarily in your own case).
Manuel Delgado Villegas Spanish serial killerIt's a tolerant, individualistic attitude
which Aquarian Suns share with other Sun-signs.
Not seeing any Essential Detriment
.
Hey AJ, got any serial killer listings for people with Jupiter on the Ascendant?
for example
so far I have posted details of sixteen AQUARIUS serial killersHi david starling,
Alas, my Kepler database has few criminals.
so you are saying that your own grocery list of serial killers posted earlierHi JUPITERASC,
That is not an example. A grocery list of serial killers is not proof of anything,
other than they exist.
you have not shown the benefits of being murderedYou still haven't shown how Aquarian Sun is damaged.
I even posted three charts of Aquarian Suns, an
d you have shown anything except links to some chris brennan guy
who I don't know and don't care to know.
if your contention is validYes, two of the three were murdered, but
not because they had an Aquarian Sun.
Those three charts disprove the whole claim Sun is in detriment, because
all three of those people excelled, as people with Aquarian Suns often do.
SiriuslyI simply could not find
anyone with an Aquarian Sun
who suffered
or was a criminal.
The closest thing was Jimmy Hoffa
(a criminal union boss associated with organized crime who disappeared)
and Sharon Tate (Manson murders).
therefore another example for your database is as follows:If Aquarian Sun was truly a detriment,
you'd expect to see more criminals,
more ne'er-do-wells and more infamous people,
but you see exactly the opposite.
Notable people with productive lives.
There's a misconception about Aquarius as an Age-sign that seems somewhat widespread:
That it will be a dictatorship ruled by elite, shadowy types, and will require conformity
to what they dictate. Not sure where this perception is from, but
from what I've seen, Sun Aquarians are individualistic, and
allow others to be the same.
They also don't like forcing others to follow their agenda.
"If it works for you, fine", when it comes to astrology, appears to be an Aquarian attitude.
Not seeing that as a "debility".
It just goes to show that generalizations are fun, but unreliable.
considerAny evidence of Essential Detriment regarding Aquarian Suns that you'd care to share?
consider
Not seeing it, myself.
you ignore the following comment made by the OPHi JUPITERASC,
You still haven't made a case.
The fact that a serial killer has an Aquarian Sun proves nothing, other than some of the many, many serial killers have an Aquarian Sun and for everyone on your grocery list I can list that doesn't have it. You've failed or refused to show how the Aquarian Sun is a causal factor, but then that wouldn't be possible except under the most extraordinary circumstance and that would have to be Aquarian Sun H7 hammered by Mars and in aspect with Moon and Saturn. The OP wins this debate, since you can't disprove his claim:
you also ignore your own commentSure it's a problem, if a supposedly "weak" placement has strong Chart-influence.
somehow you overlooked/could not findHi david starling,
I simply could not find
anyone with an Aquarian Sun
who suffered
or was a criminal.
The closest thing was Jimmy Hoffa
(a criminal union boss associated with organized crime who disappeared)
and Sharon Tate (Manson murders).
If Aquarian Sun was truly a detriment,
you'd expect to see more criminals,
more ne'er-do-wells and more infamous people,
but you see exactly the opposite.
Notable people with productive lives.
you ignore the following comment made by the OP
you also ignore your own comment
somehow you overlooked/could not find
Aquarius Sun "criminals and infamous people"
I'm simply highlighting
that in fact
infamous criminals/ne'er-do-wells who are also AQUARIUS are plentiful
Thanks - you too AJHi JUPITERASC,
As I explained earlier, my Kepler data-base doesn't have a cast of thousands of criminals that your source obviously does.
We have yet another bandwidth-wasting post by you in which you failed or refused to show how an Aquarian Sun is debilitated.
Your failure or refusal to show how Aquarian Suns are debilitated is telling indeed.
Your knowledge of astrology is hardly impressive.
Fools seldom differIf you have something fruitful to add to the discussion
that is actually on-topic and proves your claim
that an Aquarian Sun is debilitated, then do it,
otherwise you just continue to look like a fool.
.
your impressive contribution to this thread thenSerial killers are very Saturnian, not Solar.
The word "serial" in "serial killer" should have been your very first clue that serial killers are Saturnian, not Solar or Mercurial or Martian.
Serial killers are highly disciplined.
A Saturnian quality. They make few mistakes,
another Saturnian quality, which is why it takes so long to catch them, if they're even caught at all.
Serial killers are very selective about their victims, often spending days, weeks or months (and in some instances years) stalking them.
Just another Saturnian quality.
Serial killers are extremely meticulous in their planning, one more
Saturnian quality, which is also why they are difficult to catch, if they're ever caught at all.
Serial killers repeatedly employ the same manner/method of death, which is their "signature" and is often how they are named by police or the media, and is
yet one more Saturnian quality.
None of that has anything to do with an Aquarian Sun.
.
Carole King may have "had plenty of money"Hi david starling,
I'm not seeing it either. I believe the Greeks misinterpreted the information they go from Mesopotamian astrologers.
Teucer of Babylon and those before him did not recognize detriment. A planet was either dignified in its own sign, or it wasn't. A planet could be exalted, and in fall in the sign opposite exaltation, but Sun in Aquarius is no different than Sun in Gemini or Scorpio.
I'm fairly certain the Greeks were confused and thought that if a planet is harmed being in the sign opposite its exaltation, then it must be harmed being in the sign opposite its dignity, but there's no evidence of that.
Can someone show me
how Carole King
was harmed?
She's 75 and still writing songs, still performing in public and on TV and not in the poor-house.
I'm not seeing
how her life
is a Greek tragedy.
It's true Sun is applying square H8 Taurus Saturn who receives Sun, but I have few hundred Aquarian Sun charts and not seeing where Sun is diminished in any way.
Carole King may have "had plenty of money"
however
Carole King’s husbands/relationships over decades
led from romance to tragedy.
you might want to read your own commentHer H5 Aquarian Sun is what gave her the discipline
and drive to be a successful singer, song-writer and performer in spite of what happened with her relationships.
A Piscean Sun is far more debilitated and in detriment
than an Aquarian Sun ever could be.
Without the critical aspects from Mars or Saturn, that person isn't going anywhere.
to which my response is clearCan someone show me
how Carole King
was harmed?
She's 75 and still writing songs, still performing in public and on TV and not in the poor-house.
I'm not seeing
how her life
is a Greek tragedy.
Carole King may have "had plenty of money"
however
Carole King’s husbands/relationships over decades
led from romance to tragedy.
In Goffin's case, it was his use of LSD.
King leaves out his supposed affairs.
Carole King divorced husband No. 2, bass player Charles Larkey
after two kids and six years of marriage.
Most of Carole King’s husbands are still alive
but not Rick Evers, struggling musician
who became Carole King's third husband.
Rick Evers died from an overdose of cocaine
at a shooting gallery in Los Angeles in 1978
leaving King a widow at age 36.
Carole King slow to recognize the red flags
in Evers’ increasingly possessive, paranoid behavior
reveals
1978, when married and back in L.A., Laurel Canyon
Evers slugged her in the jaw without any warning.
and unfortunately
This soon became a pattern:
While she was lying on the ground
Evers would cry and apologize.
Carole King writes: “......I’d always thought, if I found myself with a man like that
first time he struck me
I would never stay with an abuser.
Until I did.....”
Carole King learned to say “no” to her cash-dependant husband
who constantly asked her for money to buy drugs
she eventually left Evers.
Husband No. 4, carpenter from Idaho Rick Sorensen, aka "Teepee Rick," to whom Carole King was married from 1982 to 1987
bought a large ranch with her in central Idaho
which he managed until they split.
you too AJHi JUPITERASC,
That has nothing to do with Aquarian Sun.
You're apparently oblivious to the fact that King's Sun is H5, not H7.
To even suggest that another person took LSD
or that her relationships were difficult because of King's H5 Aquarian Sun
is off-the-rails absurd
and I hope you didn't break your arms or back reaching for the obtuse.
you are entitled to your opinion obviouslyYou might want to look at H8 Taurus Mars ruling H7 applying to Taurus Saturn.
You missed the obvious hints.
Aquarian Sun is not in detriment or debilitated, because
it causes people to be disciplined in certain matters
and to strive to achieve goals, however perverted those goals might be.
in case you did not know, House Five Significations include:In case you didn't know, H5 is the artsy house and it also trines Ascendant.
Carole King may have "had plenty of money"
however
Carole King’s husbands/relationships over decades
led from romance to tragedy.
In Goffin's case, it was his use of LSD.
King leaves out his supposed affairs.
Carole King divorced husband No. 2, bass player Charles Larkey
after two kids and six years of marriage.
Most of Carole King’s husbands are still alive
but not Rick Evers, struggling musician
who became Carole King's third husband.
Rick Evers died from an overdose of cocaine
at a shooting gallery in Los Angeles in 1978
leaving King a widow at age 36.
Carole King slow to recognize the red flags
in Evers’ increasingly possessive, paranoid behavior
reveals
1978, when married and back in L.A., Laurel Canyon
Evers slugged her in the jaw without any warning.
and unfortunately
This soon became a pattern:
While she was lying on the ground
Evers would cry and apologize.
Carole King writes: “......I’d always thought, if I found myself with a man like that
first time he struck me
I would never stay with an abuser.
Until I did.....”
Carole King learned to say “no” to her cash-dependant husband
who constantly asked her for money to buy drugs
she eventually left Evers.
Husband No. 4, carpenter from Idaho Rick Sorensen, aka "Teepee Rick," to whom Carole King was married from 1982 to 1987
bought a large ranch with her in central Idaho
which he managed until they split.
you too AJ
not all are acute unfortunately - join the club
you are entitled to your opinion obviously
however
clearly people disciplined in certain matters
who strive to achieve goals
however perverted those goals could be
are not limited to being SUN AQUARIUS
however
many with Aquarius Sun with "perverted goals" are documented serial killers
as documented earlier on this thread
in case you did not know, House Five Significations include:
Love affairs, romance, lovemaking, sex.
If afflicted, promiscuity, sexual inhibition, immorality
overindulgence
and
scandals.
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/temples/h5.html
The acute probably already noted CAROLE KING has AQUARIUS SUN FIFTH HOUSE
Carole King may have "had plenty of money"
however
Carole King’s husbands/relationships over decades
led from romance to tragedy.
In Goffin's case, it was his use of LSD.
King leaves out his supposed affairs.
Carole King divorced husband No. 2, bass player Charles Larkey
after two kids and six years of marriage.
Most of Carole King’s husbands are still alive
but not Rick Evers, struggling musician
who became Carole King's third husband.
Rick Evers died from an overdose of cocaine
at a shooting gallery in Los Angeles in 1978
leaving King a widow at age 36.
For those seeking more clarity on the concept of "essential dignities" in astrology
I'm no expert, I'm simply a learning memberHi JUPITERASC,
According to Scientific American who derived their data from the FBI, only about 1% of all murders in the US are the work of serial killers.
Giving you the great benefit of the doubt and assuming that each murder was the work of a serial killer, that would mean there are ~150 active serial killers at any given time, which would be 150 / 260,020,000 = 5.768787016383355e-5%
or 0.0000577% of the population (with 260 Million as the US population reported by the US Census Bureau according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics and is the adult population of the US who are neither incarcerated nor hospitalized).
As LiveWire noted, February is typically the month with the least number of births and August the month with the most births, but all things being equal, statistically the number of serial killers with an Aquarian Sun would be
4.807322513652796e-6% or 0.0000048%
That means 12.5 serial killers with an Aquarian Sun, but it also means 12.5 serial killers with a Leo Sun.
To suggest that is "many" is off-the-rails whacko.
There would be 12.5 serial killers with Leo Suns, which is hardly "many."
The fact that there are serial killers with Leo Suns refutes your silly claims.
Sun is exalted in Aries and the fact that there are Aries serial killers refutes your baseless claim, too, unless you're going to claim Sun is in detriment in Leo and Aries.
No doubt you have an unhealthy bizarre inordinate fascination with serial killers, but it has no place here and you lost this this debate.
So give it up already.
That's modern astrology nonsense.
That has nothing to do with her Aquarian Sun.
King's Aquarian Sun did not cause any person to use LSD.
Your claim that it did is off-the-rails whacko.
Again, just in case you're unable to understand, nothing in anyone's chart can cause another to do something.
You can't even delineate her chart right.
King has Libra-rising. So, what sign is H7? Uh, that would be Aries. Who rules Aries? Uh, that would be Mars. Where is Mar? Uh, in the Taurus H8 joining Saturn.
That is the problem, not to mention the 12th Part of Venus is sitting in H8 right on top of Mars/Saturn. Venus significates marriages and although she isn't damaged, she's retrograde and gets no help from Moon, Sun or Jupiter.
Even if we were to accept your modern astrology nonsense, H5 ruler Saturn is not in sect in Taurus H8 and damaged by Mars.
In King's chart, Sun is not the significator of marriages and relationships.
Geez, even a novice could figure that out.
Are you ever going to prove your claims or what? Because posting useless links to videos doesn't prove anything.
you keep saying you cannot find any Aquarius Sun serial killersYou keep listing serial killers with Aquarian Suns, but
not once have you attempted
or even show that the Aquarian Sun is the causal factor.
clearlyI simply could not find
anyone with an Aquarian Sun
who suffered
or was a criminal......
If Aquarian Sun was truly a detriment,
you'd expect to see more criminals,
more ne'er-do-wells and more infamous people,
but you see exactly the opposite.
Notable people with productive lives.
Bowles murdered five other menI would say Sun in Aqua is highly functional, and
good at overcoming adversity.
It's a good example
for exploring the concept of "debilities", which
may not be as bad as it sounds.