You have headed column one PLACE rather than SIGN
and
column two HOUSE in preference to LORD
that's interesting
constellation conundrumsWell, I prefer place to sign
because of the latter being connected with the constellations,
whereas Ptolemy explains their power with respect to the seasons.
so house of Mars, house of Venus and so onI prefer house to lord, since every planet under the respective column, bar proper face, is lord.
scribes diluted/mistranslated/misunderstood texts as time passedIndeed, according to Ptolemy, the elevation, triangle and term lords have equal or similar power as the house lord.
This is contrary to the later authors, who said house is + 5, exaltation is + 4, triangle is + 3, term is + 2, and ''face'' is + 1.
so house of Mars, house of Venus and so on
scribes diluted/mistranslated/misunderstood texts as time passed
Exaltaltion has religious connotationsCorrect,
the only peculiarity one may face is elevation and depression
instead of exaltation and fall.
The latter have different connotation
that I sometimes decline to use.
16. Elevations
Sun is elevated in 1 and depressed in 7, corresponding to the increase and decrease of heat
Moon is elevated in 2 and depressed in 8, corresponding to the increase and decrease of light
Phainon is elevated in 7 and depressed in 1, corresponding to the increase and decrease of cold
Phaethon is elevated in 4 and depressed in 10, corresponding to the power of fecund north winds
Pyroeis is elevated in 10 and depressed in 4, corresponding to the power of fiery south winds
Phosphoros is elevated in 12 and depressed in 6, corresponding to the proper power of moisture
Stilbon is elevated in 6 and depressed in 12, corresponding to the proper power of dryness - https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=125418
We do not accept an opposition to the domicile as affliction, nor an opposition to the triangle, nor an opposition to the term, since these oppositions do not experience the same kind of powers as the exaltation, that is to say, they are not polar, but rather confined to their specific portions of the ecliptic. One can immediately see this from the oppositions of similar triangles and terms, though to be sure, some of the detriments make sense by virtue of the opposition of seasons, for example Saturn in Cancer is weakened due to the heating summer and the disharmony of the nocturnal rulers.
We do not accept an opposition to the domicile as affliction, nor an opposition to the triangle, nor an opposition to the term, since these oppositions do not experience the same kind of powers as the exaltation, that is to say, they are not polar, but rather confined to their specific portions of the ecliptic. One can immediately see this from the oppositions of similar triangles and terms, though to be sure, some of the detriments make sense by virtue of the opposition of seasons, for example Saturn in Cancer is weakened due to the heating summer and the disharmony of the nocturnal rulers, though this is not correct in other aspects, such as Venus in Aries, or even the magnitudes of the Sun in Aquarius compared to in Capricorn, by which I mean that they are similarly cooling, as is Saturn in Leo compared to Cancer in heat, but not in rulership.
and soApotelesmatica
16. Elevations
Sun is elevated in 1 and depressed in 7, corresponding to the increase and decrease of heat
Moon is elevated in 2 and depressed in 8, corresponding to the increase and decrease of light
Phainon is elevated in 7 and depressed in 1, corresponding to the increase and decrease of cold
Phaethon is elevated in 4 and depressed in 10, corresponding to the power of fecund north winds
Pyroeis is elevated in 10 and depressed in 4, corresponding to the power of fiery south winds
Phosphoros is elevated in 12 and depressed in 6, corresponding to the proper power of moisture
Stilbon is elevated in 6 and depressed in 12, corresponding to the proper power of dryness
Source
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Ptolemy/Tetrabiblos/home.html
and so
Elevation and Depression are INDEPENDENT of SIGN
irrrespective of whether that SIGN is Sidereal or otherwise
We do not accept an opposition to the domicile as affliction, nor an opposition to the triangle, nor an opposition to the term, since these oppositions do not experience the same kind of powers as the exaltation, that is to say, they are not polar, but rather confined to their specific portions of the ecliptic. One can immediately see this from the oppositions of similar triangles and terms, though to be sure, some of the detriments make sense by virtue of the opposition of seasons, for example Saturn in Cancer is weakened due to the heating summer and the disharmony of the nocturnal rulers, though this is not correct in other aspects, such as Venus in Aries, or even the magnitudes of the Sun in Aquarius compared to in Capricorn, by which I mean that they are similarly cooling, as is Saturn in Leo compared to Cancer in heat, but not in rulership.
and soApotelesmatica
16. Elevations
Sun is elevated in 1 and depressed in 7, corresponding to the increase and decrease of heat
Moon is elevated in 2 and depressed in 8, corresponding to the increase and decrease of light
Phainon is elevated in 7 and depressed in 1, corresponding to the increase and decrease of cold
Phaethon is elevated in 4 and depressed in 10, corresponding to the power of fecund north winds
Pyroeis is elevated in 10 and depressed in 4, corresponding to the power of fiery south winds
Phosphoros is elevated in 12 and depressed in 6, corresponding to the proper power of moisture
Stilbon is elevated in 6 and depressed in 12, corresponding to the proper power of dryness
Source
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Ptolemy/Tetrabiblos/home.html
not necessarily entirely falseFalse, since the Sun causes the decrease of daylight
and the beginning of autumn
the second it ingresses into tropical Libra.
The same applies to all planets,
as the signs are the divisions of the seasons by three.
We do not accept an opposition to the domicile as affliction, nor an opposition to the triangle, nor an opposition to the term, since these oppositions do not experience the same kind of powers as the exaltation, that is to say, they are not polar, but rather confined to their specific portions of the ecliptic. One can immediately see this from the oppositions of similar triangles and terms, though to be sure, some of the detriments make sense by virtue of the opposition of seasons, for example Saturn in Cancer is weakened due to the heating summer and the disharmony of the nocturnal rulers, though this is not correct in other aspects, such as Venus in Aries, or even the magnitudes of the Sun in Aquarius compared to in Capricorn, by which I mean that they are similarly cooling, as is Saturn in Leo compared to Cancer in heat, but not in rulership.
and soApotelesmatica
16. Elevations
Sun is elevated in 1 and depressed in 7, corresponding to the increase and decrease of heat
Moon is elevated in 2 and depressed in 8, corresponding to the increase and decrease of light
Phainon is elevated in 7 and depressed in 1, corresponding to the increase and decrease of cold
Phaethon is elevated in 4 and depressed in 10, corresponding to the power of fecund north winds
Pyroeis is elevated in 10 and depressed in 4, corresponding to the power of fiery south winds
Phosphoros is elevated in 12 and depressed in 6, corresponding to the proper power of moisture
Stilbon is elevated in 6 and depressed in 12, corresponding to the proper power of dryness
Source
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Ptolemy/Tetrabiblos/home.html
not necessarily entirely falseFalse, since the Sun causes the decrease of daylight
and the beginning of autumn
the second it ingresses into tropical Libra.
I mentioned that light years agoJA, at the depression of the Sun in the Northern Hemisphere,
you have its elevation for the antipode inhabitants of the Southern Hemisphere
QuiteWhether you call that bicameral Libra, or Libra or 7
or Bob for the North, and
Aries or 1 or Josh for the South does not change reality.
clarify "Inb4"Inb4 Sun is exalted in Bob for both Hemispheres!!!
clarify "Inb4"Inb4 Sun is exalted in Bob for both Hemispheres!!!
Siriusly
PtolemyFan,
What is the REASON to switch back to Tropical? I thought the ruler of Sidereal are not in their "original" place?
Pisces = Domicile of Saturn?
Cancer = Domicile of Mercury?
,Etc
Thx
R
R