craft94
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I've been wanting to give my own input on this thread, but couldn't seem to find the right words to use (particularly because I don't want to create misunderstanding). But the above is closest to what I would say about Libra; I've been surrounded by this sign all of my life, and I've definitely experienced this initial feeling of, "wow, this Libra Sun person is so perfect," only to find out that their true goal was to manipulate and control situations with their charm. There can be immense anger when you do not do things their way -- but this is usually shown in a calculated and hidden manner. It can very hard to get others to believe you if you say that a Libra Sun is harsh.
My Libra mother is more than harsh, she's abusive. And so was my first real boyfriend, another native of this sun sign. I have met quite a few others that I would classify as abusive as well. However, I don't know why that is, and I don't think it's supposed to be the norm.
This has nothing to do with their attractiveness though. If I were to answer the actual question of this thread, I would say that Libras seem to have an inherent attractiveness. This is why I got involved with that boyfriend in the first place! He wasn't at all what most people would consider handsome and sexy, but he was very smooth-talking, charming and funny. It took me a while to come around to him, but I finally did; maybe that was why he changed, because once he "got me" he felt super empowered and didn't think he could possibly lose me.
Anyway, I think you - craft94 - are probably beyond all of this... the game-playing, etc. And that is why you don't seem to get the "results" that other Libras might. My mother used to tell me that I "didn't know how to play the game." What she meant is that I had too much integrity and honesty and I couldn't ******* tolerate lying, slyness and manipulation. This, in a nutshell, is what some Libras seem to rely upon in order to get what they want. If you don't do this, then consider yourself an evolved Libra (ugh, I hate that whole evolved vs unevolved thing, but it's the best way to describe this). You want to attract the right person, and that is what is going to happen when you behave with integrity. From what I've seen of you on the forum, it seems like it is pretty important for you to be this way.
I liked this post because I thank you for what you had to say about me personally. I have to admit though; I've yet to experiece a Libra, any Libra, as "dishonest."
Libra is ruled by the scales of justice so I actually think the principles of honesty and integrity are important to us as a whole (though I'm sure some unevolved ones just pretend); imo you can't seperate "fairness" from "honesty." I also think of Libra as a truth-seeking sign because we're always weighing things, to get to the heart of the manner. We're trying to consider every single fact, which is where our "indecisiveness" comes from.
I don't like every Libra I meet but I tend to dislike them for the opposite reason: they're harsh. You're right about that, not in a manipulative way, but outwardly so...very self-righteous, but in a Saturnian way, not like Sagittarius. I find a Libran's honesty is actually much worse than a fire sign's because they don't say it like they're angry, they don't say it like they have a poor opinion of you, they say it like they actually mean it except there is no "they." Sometimes they'll even word it like they're saying something kind, but usually they word it like it's pure objective fact, plain and simple. Being told you're stupid is a lot easier to brush off than being told why you're stupid in great detail by a person with the reputation of an angel.
I've honestlly yet to experience a Libra as dishonest, and I was always confused as to where that reputation came from (Venus?) but reading your post, I think I can understand why people might perceive us that way. I don't agree with it at all though because it's more about other people's preconceived expectations and assumptions than it is "lying." I know you say I'm probably an evolved Libra so this might not apply to everyone born under my sign, but speaking from my own experience, I never pretend to be nice. I simply am nice... most of the time. The truth is Libras really aren't "nice" or "sweet" or "kind" or any of the other adjectives used to describe how goody-goody we are. Libras are simply fair and I think that often gets mistaken for kindness but in all truth, justice isn''t kind. Justice can actually be quite cruel. Look at the Justice card - it's pictured with a sword. Libra is not Pisces.
For example, I've had this experience with Leos, in particular, where they think I'm on "their side," because I'm nice to them or because I've defended them once, but then they tend to think I'm this cold, cutting (probably manipulative) narcissist once they actually get to know me and I end up not bowing down to them. I never lied, I never said I was on "their side," that's their assumption and it's not something I ever wanted them to assume. I meant it when I was nice to them and I meant it when I defended them that time they were bullied but I also meant it when I told them off and defended the person they bullied. To me, being a friend isn't agreeing or supporting everything a person says but telling them off when they need it and accepting them anyway.
Oh, I'm not trying to discount your experience. Just expressing my own thoughts. I do believe there are unevolved and unfair Libras, definitely. I've met some unfair Libras myself but the unfair ones, in my own experience, actually believe they're fair... and that may be the worst part of it all.
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