Chart interpretation and professional orientation

tamino

Member
Good afternoon everyone,

I'm currently in a period of questionning regarding the path of my professional life.

Maybe a short introduction of me :

Man 29 - born in Paris the 3rd of August 1989 at 10:20 local time

I've been working in a pretty big company with a kind of legitimity and projections, as a project manager and sales for the last 3 years.

My situation is comfortable but I feel like wasting my time...
I feel like this situation doesn't accomplish me but at the same time I don't really have any concrete project where to dive in.

This frustrating feelings may come at its ends as I feel the need to take risks and explore the unknown...But where, how, what are as much interrogations that I need to delimit befor moving on...

It's been few weeks now that i got pretty closed of Astrology as a key of readings in the ways things may arise from one existence, even though I consider it more as a frame of possibility where each of us need to impulse itself.

Considering my chart I was wondering what you guys would consider as a credible option ? Taking the risks of diving in the unknown ? Keeping in this lukewarm situation where I don't feel stimulated ?

I just would love to have your vision on what the frame of possiblities may be in your opinion ?

Thanks in advance to any of you that would take a glance at my chart report :

https://horoscopes.astro-seek.com/c...n&tolerance=1&tolerance_paral=1.2#tabs_redraw


Thank you :)
 

waybread

Well-known member
Can you say more about the type of profession you are in now? Project manager/sales could be in many different lines of work. I ask because sometimes people are actually in a reasonably good career, given their horoscope; but the problem is the lack of challenges or advancement with their particular employer. Then some people do not have the option of going back to school and retraining in a different field.

Possibly as a sun Leo, you're not gettting enough recognition and opportunity for advancement from your present employer.

But with so many planets in the 12th house, including the ruler (Mercury) of your 10th house of career, in your 12th house, you may actually feel a desire to contribute to people less fortunate than yourself. The 12th house rules hospitals, prisons, and other institutions where people are shut-in in some way. Given your background, a hospital career might not mean hands-on patient care, but something like hospital administration or social work.
 

tamino

Member
Hi Waybread,

Thanks for your answer.

I orchestrate the design of specific digital solution and manage the sales process within the client.

I actually have a quite normal pace but even with more challenge I couldn’t get rid of the feeling to make somthing pretty useless...

I’ll investigate on this 12th houses that seems pretry important on my chart.

Thanks again :)
 

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
Good afternoon everyone,

I'm currently in a period of questionning regarding the path of my professional life.
Maybe a short introduction of me :
Man 29 - born in Paris the 3rd of August 1989 at 10:20 local time
I've been working in a pretty big company with a kind of legitimity and projections, as a project manager and sales for the last 3 years.
My situation is comfortable but I feel like wasting my time...
I feel like this situation doesn't accomplish me but at the same time I don't really have any concrete project where to dive in.
This frustrating feelings may come at its ends as I feel the need to take risks and explore the unknown...But where, how, what are as much interrogations that I need to delimit befor moving on...
It's been few weeks now that i got pretty closed of Astrology as a key of readings in the ways things may arise from one existence, even though I consider it more as a frame of possibility where each of us need to impulse itself.
Considering my chart I was wondering what you guys would consider as a credible option ? Taking the risks of diving in the unknown ? Keeping in this lukewarm situation where I don't feel stimulated ?
I just would love to have your vision on what the frame of possiblities may be in your opinion ?
Thanks in advance to any of you that would take a glance at my chart report :

https://horoscopes.astro-seek.com/calculate-birth-chart-horoscope-online/?send_calculation=1&narozeni_den=3&narozeni_mesic=8&narozeni_rok=1989&narozeni_hodina=10&narozeni_minuta=20&narozeni_city=Paris%2C+France&narozeni_mesto_hidden=Paris&narozeni_stat_hidden=FR&narozeni_podstat_kratky_hidden=&narozeni_podstat_hidden=%C3%8Ele-de-France&narozeni_input_hidden=&narozeni_podstat2_kratky_hidden=&narozeni_podstat3_kratky_hidden=&narozeni_sirka_stupne=48&narozeni_sirka_minuty=51&narozeni_sirka_smer=0&narozeni_delka_stupne=2&narozeni_delka_minuty=21&narozeni_delka_smer=0&narozeni_timezone_form=auto&narozeni_timezone_dst_form=auto&house_system=placidus&hid_fortune=1&hid_fortune_check=on&hid_chiron=1&hid_chiron_check=on&hid_lilith=1&hid_lilith_check=on&hid_uzel=1&hid_uzel_check=on&tolerance=1&tolerance_paral=1.2#tabs_redraw

Thank you :)
Hi Waybread,
Thanks for your answer.

I orchestrate the design of specific digital solution and manage the sales process within the client.
I actually have a quite normal pace but even with more challenge I couldn’t get rid of the feeling to make somthing pretty useless...
I’ll investigate on this 12th houses

that seems pretry important on my chart.
Thanks again :)

Beginners are frequently unaware

that there are at least twenty or thirty different house systems
or means of dividing the so-called "birthchart"
into twelve segments of life activity.
In astrology, houses, mansions, or domains
represent general areas of life activity
and are the grounding areas or arenas of expression for planets.
Originally, the words "houses" and "signs" were interchangeable.
A planet in the SIGN of Aries
was also a planet in the HOUSE of Aries
so that in effect houses as we know them today did not exist
:smile:

PLACIDUS is merely the default on most online calculation sites
Astroseek has an option to create any natal chart using WHOLE SIGN HOUSES
comparing your natal chart using WHOLE SIGN HOUSES
with your natal chart using PLACIDUS default option
notice
12th WHOLE SIGN HOUSE IS LEO
1ST WHOLE SIGN HOUSE IS VIRGO

THUS CLEARLY
the house location of a natal planet may change
dependent on choice of house system

because

Artificial divisions now known as houses
were attempts by early Greeks and Hindus
to measure strength "points" in the horoscope
which during 7th and 8th centuries AD were construed
or confused
as means of dividing the birth chart.
The ascendant and midheaven degrees
and their opposites were definite power points
or areas of intense focus
but not necessarily the beginnings of a house or quadrant

The Whole Sign House system was used by the ancient Greeks

and the Hindus (who still use it today).
It is the oldest and simplest house system in existence
and immediately eliminates the awful mess astrologers have made
on the issue over the last 1300 years or so
some previous discussion of the topic at
WHOLE SIGNS
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42163

WHOLE SIGN OR PLACIDUS http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39669

by the way
significations of 12th house are as follows:
Main Rulerships
12th house represents matters that are hidden, restrained, secret,
incapable of action or of being fully understood.
Traditionally, it is a wholly unfortunate house

associated with sad events, sorrow, anguish of mind, tribulation, captivity,
imprisonment, persecution, hard labour, all manner of affliction and self-undoing.
It represents places that are denied access to public view
particularly those concerned with seclusion or isolation
or where one is restricted from living a carefree life-style
such as institutions or prisons.
Many sources attribute monasteries to the 12th house as places of isolation
but otherwise monks and nuns belong to the 9th house
which represents religious concerns.
12th house has rulership over scandals generally, personal fears
and skeletons in the family closet.
12th house significations include secret, unknown enemies
such men as maliciously undermine their neighbours
or inform secretly against them:
traitors, spies
weakness, infirmity and bondage.
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/temples/h12.html
 

tamino

Member
Thank you Jupiterasc,

To be honest I pretty feel myself of a mix of Leo & Virgo.
But indeed, I guess the ancestral methodology of chart interpretration may have changed a lot over the centuries.

The 20+ methods are in my opinion, just from a logical glance, a perversion from the initial science, that should have remained unique....Simplification may have occured at the expense of a disconnexion from the foundations of astrology and what it aimes at demonstrate, far away from material and cultural contingencies

Particular time stamp as base of calculation of one civilization or deliberate desire to blur the truth, whatever the reason, the translation of a metaphysical reality by humans is always laborious.

Regarding the 12th House, interepretation and pessimistic attributes, are pretty scarying from a litteral attempt of understanding. However I guess those are rather symbols to consider in a whole dynamic where you have a part of active & passive, past and future.

Rahu that took the time to read my chart told me that the part of my past was pretty heavy and determinant. I thus consider my planets in this 12th houses as an effect of it which I decided to consider as an invitation of medidation & and momentary retreat in myself to better impulse in the outside.

Anyway that was pretty interesting to share with you !
Take care,

O.
 

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
Thank you Jupiterasc,

To be honest I pretty feel myself of a mix of Leo & Virgo.
But indeed, I guess the ancestral methodology of chart interpretration may have changed a lot over the centuries.

The 20+ methods are in my opinion, just from a logical glance, a perversion from the initial science, that should have remained unique....Simplification may have occured at the expense of a disconnexion from the foundations of astrology and what it aimes at demonstrate, far away from material and cultural contingencies

Particular time stamp as base of calculation of one civilization or deliberate desire to blur the truth, whatever the reason, the translation of a metaphysical reality by humans is always laborious.

Regarding the 12th House, interepretation and pessimistic attributes, are pretty scarying from a litteral attempt of understanding. However I guess those are rather symbols to consider in a whole dynamic where you have a part of active & passive, past and future.

Rahu that took the time to read my chart told me that the part of my past was pretty heavy and determinant. I thus consider my planets in this 12th houses as an effect of it which I decided to consider as an invitation of medidation & and momentary retreat in myself to better impulse in the outside.

Anyway that was pretty interesting to share with you !
Take care,

O.
keep in mind that the HOUSE LOCATION
of the RULER
of ANY house
is a vital part of the delineation for reliable delineation
a natal chart is viewed as a whole :smile:
 

tamino

Member
Well ok but then addition of several attributes (house location, sign, degree...) must be at some point influenced by a sort of hierarchy in the reading of the chart as a whole no ?
 

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
Well ok but then addition of several attributes
(house location, sign, degree...)
must be at some point influenced by a sort of hierarchy
in the reading of the chart as a whole no ?
Exactly :smile:

The significations of THE PLANET are most important

A PLANET acts

THEN

A HOUSE shows the area of life
in which the planet acts

as well as
how strongly the planet can act



astrological-houses-02.jpg


AND THEN
the quality of the planet's expression
is influenced by the SIGN location of the PLANET




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using analogy of a 'performance' or 'play' :smile:

we have

12 basic 'backdrops' to the theatre or movie of a natal chart
Aries, Taurus, Gemini, Cancer, Leo, Virgo, Libra, Scorpio, Sagittarius, Capricorn, Aquarius, Pisces

and then

Each of those 12 'backdrops' - dependent on time of birth -
is pinned as an individual 'background or cusp'
on each of the 12 basic 'scenes' aka 'houses'


1. Birth/Self/Appearance/Vitality/Strength

2. Resources, material comforts, earnings
and all issues concerning wealth or of a financial nature
including the manner of attaining wealth, personal goods and belongings,
assets, income, gain, money lent to others, profit (or loss when afflicted),
support and assistance from others. http://www.skyscript.co.uk/temples/h2.html

3 Brothers and sisters, cousins or general members of the family
(not parents, they belong to the 4th scene aka house).
Neighbors and local neighborhood. The environment in which we live and work.
Short journeys or those made on a regular basis.
Letters, rumors, reports, messages and messengers.
Communications generally. Newspapers, magazines, telephones, postal service.
Written deeds and contracts. Speeches and debates.
Our ability to express ourselves and communicate to others.
Languages, mobility skills and self-expression http://www.skyscript.co.uk/temples/h3.html
and so on

each 'scene' aka 'house'
features planets as 'actors'
within any one of the 12 basic 'scenes' or 'houses'
'performing' before the 'backdrop' of the 12 'signs'
for example
Venus and Jupiter are 'good guys'
Mars and Saturn are 'bad guys'
Mercury is 'unpredictable' sometimes good sometimes not so good

dependent on the company Mercury keeps :smile:
Scenes often 'merge'

taking into account that planets in each others houses
influence the 'script'

and then
we have "travelling players"
aka transiting planets
putting in temporary appearances

for example
transiting MOON is "on the scene"

for approximately only 2.5 days
before travelling on to the next venue
MERCURY puts in an appearance

"for one week only" then on to the next scene
after nineteen days
VENUS goes to the next stage
SUN is on-scene for a month
MARS fifty-seven days
JUPITER a year
SATURN two and a half years
adding layers to the drama
an analysis may be as complex or as basic as one prefers




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tamino

Member
OK thanks for the explanation :)

Then how do you know which planets influence the most ? If it's not the house (which is rather the thematic) ?

I mean how can I know which of my planets has the strongest influence on me ? And let's say Venus (the good guy) is in the 12th house, Does it tend to decrease the potential bad scene he plays as it is placed in the 12th house ?

TY
 
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JUPITERASC

Well-known member
OK thanks for the explanation :)
Good news that it is useful :smile:

Then

how do you know which planets influence the most ?
If it's not the house (which is rather the thematic) ?
I mean how can I know which of my planets has the strongest influence on me ?
And let's say Venus (the good guy) is in the 12th house,
Does it tend to decrease the potential bad scene he plays
as it is placed in the 12th house ?
TY
Let's consider the example you alrealdy highlighted :smile:
we begin by

studying THE SIGNIFICATIONS of PLANET Venus

i.e.
https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?p=920697#post920697

Introduction to Hellenistic Astrology Part II - Seven Stars

Venus completes 8 sidereal cycles and 5 synodic cycles with 8 years.

It has retreating arcs of 15 degrees for 40 days.

Venus is moistening and moderately heating
benefic, feminine and nocturnal.
Phosphoros makes those born under her shapely, graceful, effeminate
with bright beautiful eyes, having excess of hot and moist when morning rising
and plump, luxurious, olive in complexion, having excess of moist when evening rising
and in general, admired, passionate, wealthy, gracious, outgoing and friendly.
Venus controls desire, love, priesthood, public benefactors,
wearing of golden crowns and ornaments, merriment, friendship,
companionship, acquisition of additional property, buying maidens and ornaments, agreements on favorable terms
marriages, refined arts, pleasant sounds, music-making, sweet singing, beauty of form
painting, mixing of colours, embroidery, purple-dyeing, perfume making
inventors, the masters of crafts, working with gold and precious stones
haircutters, cleanliness, plays, the supervisors of markets, weights, measures
trades and shops, giving and receiving, laughter and rejoicing, order
aquatic animals, the livelihood of the mother, assistance from women
remarkable reputations, nourishment and pleasure, the olfactory system
the reproductive organs, the secondary sex characteristics
multi-coloured adornments, precious stones, golden colours
and greasy tastes.
It is chronocrator over youth up to the 22nd year.

Bibliography:
Robbins, F. E. (1940). Ptolemy: Tetrabiblos. William Heinmann, London. Retrieved from
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Ptolemy/Tetrabiblos/home.html
Valens, V. Anthologia. Translated by Mark Riley. Retrieved from https://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt/Vettius Valens entire.pdf
then
the SIGNIFICATIONS of 12th HOUSE
which are summarised on the diagram I posted showing house significations

AND THEN
decide whether house is Angular, Succeedent, Cadent
12th house is a CADENT HOUSE
i.e.
Most students are aware that houses are defined as
angular = 1st, 4th, 7th & 10th
succeedent = 2nd, 5th, 8th, & 11th
and
cadent = 3rd, 6th, 9th & 12th
as shown in the diagram below.



ang.gif

The houses are not all equal in strength and power.


If a planet is located in an angular house
it is much more forceful in its effects
than it would be in a cadent house.

On page 48 of Christian Astrology Lilly writes:
The angles are most powerful
the succeedents are next in virtue
the cadents poor and of little efficacy:
the succeedent houses follow the angles
the cadents come next [after] the succeedents.

In force and virtue they stand so in order:

1 10 7 4 11 5 9 3 2 8 6 12


The meaning whereof is this
that two planets equally dignified
the one in the Ascendant, the other in the tenth house
you shall judge the planet in the Ascendant somewhat of more power
to effect what he is significator of
than he that is in the tenth:

do so in the rest as they stand in order
remembering that planets in angles
do more forcibly show their effects.
The astrological angles - ascendant, midheaven (MC), descendant and lower midheaven (IC)
- are the most potent and influential areas in any chart.
Any planet that is in conjunction with an angle
will have a marked influence that resonates throughout the chart
and greatly colours its overall meaning.
Because of their primary importance
the angles are often referred to as the 'cardinal points'
and they relate directly to the cardinal directions east, south, west and north.
The word 'cardinal' comes from the Latin cardo meaning 'hinge',
indicating something of primary importance.
Ancient astrologers viewed the cardinal points
as the great axis that held the earth in position
thus Manilius, writing in the first century BC, asserts:
These points are charged with exceptional powers
and the influence they exert on fate is the greatest known to our science
because the celestial circle is totally held in position by them
as by eternal supports.
Angular houses (sometimes called cardinal houses)
are those that begin with the angles.

When a planet is placed in an angular aka cardinal house
it is performing more powerfully.
Whatever it represents will show its force in a swift and dynamic fashion.

The succeedent houses are so named because
the planets within them succeed by the diurnal movement of the heavens
to the cardinal position.
These planets experience a position of mediocre strength.


The word 'cadent' means 'fallen'
and is the root of the word cadaver meaning corpse.
A planet in a cadent house
has been carried by the diurnal movement away from the cardinal position
symbolising something that has moved from a position of power
into a condition of weakness
or a fall from grace http://www.skyscript.co.uk/horary1d.html

ang1.gif
 

tamino

Member
Hi Jupitersac,

Thanks a lot this explanation.
I took time to answer as i’m away until in bad connection location monday...

So can we consider that having planets in 1,4. 10. 11 can equilibrate «*bad location*» planets such as in 12 ?

Btw why the planets 2 & 8 are not before all the succeedents planets In range of force and virtue ?

TY for ur time...
 
Hello tamino,


first of all, the planets in the 12th house are also in the 1st house-sign in the Fagan-bradley (check it!) zodiac.



This means, you're not as weak as you seem (here!). :andy:


Being out of your current job is not possible with T-saturn in the 4th location-house (now!). You have to wait until T-saturn is in the 5th house, then with ego-management you could exit your job and move on. :innocent:


Have further questions?
 

RishiRahul

Well-known member
Good afternoon everyone,

I'm currently in a period of questionning regarding the path of my professional life.

Maybe a short introduction of me :

Man 29 - born in Paris the 3rd of August 1989 at 10:20 local time

I've been working in a pretty big company with a kind of legitimity and projections, as a project manager and sales for the last 3 years.

My situation is comfortable but I feel like wasting my time...
I feel like this situation doesn't accomplish me but at the same time I don't really have any concrete project where to dive in.

This frustrating feelings may come at its ends as I feel the need to take risks and explore the unknown...But where, how, what are as much interrogations that I need to delimit befor moving on...

It's been few weeks now that i got pretty closed of Astrology as a key of readings in the ways things may arise from one existence, even though I consider it more as a frame of possibility where each of us need to impulse itself.

Considering my chart I was wondering what you guys would consider as a credible option ? Taking the risks of diving in the unknown ? Keeping in this lukewarm situation where I don't feel stimulated ?

I just would love to have your vision on what the frame of possiblities may be in your opinion ?


Thank you :)




Hello,

Astrology and related crafts/sciences can be deterministic if properly used.

You will feel throughout life an ongoing slowness of sorts, due to a lot of hopes/desires while portions/clusters in life will have speed and energy; that's your karma of being Rahu atmakaraka in Aquarius.

The close degree clusters in the 12th. house reveals
My guess is that family bonding is one of your souls major desire, besides concentrating on work related areas as you age increasing.

Last quarter 2015 onwards being more relaxed for your mind.

Also post June 2018 felt somewhat restricted or demanding; while post Aug 2018 onwards have given some understanding of what you want to pursue now.

after 7 March 2019 may have gotten more impatient as Rahu enters your 10th. house.

If the above points are correct,it signifies possibilities of newer openings from May 2019 onward;which you will pursue from around Aug 2019.

RishiRahul
 
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Gemini888

Well-known member
Could it be that you are experiencing Saturn return?


Saturn is only a few steps from your 5H. You are thinking of a job that will help you express your authority through creativity.


MC in Gemini. MC's ruler conj Mars and is pretty well aspected with Jupiter and Uranus and MC itself. Have you considered creative writing or teaching in a non-profit organization?


Transit Venus is sitting on your 5H now. You could have some luck when you express yourself. 6H's ruler is in 4H. You could work from home through the internet. Again creative writing sounds pretty neat.
 

tamino

Member
Dear Gemini Pyramid,

Thanks for your return.
Could you explain me something :

We all have our planets in a specific house at birth time. But as planets are moving there may be transit during our life time involving new scenes (to take the metaphore of JUPITERSAC) of activities ?

Do you know the time of this transit in the 5th house ?

Many thanks,
O.
 

tamino

Member
Hello RishiRahu,

Thank you for your message.
I understand that Rahu (north node) is in Aquarius in my chart. But isn't it the case for all the people borned on this specific lapse ? Or is the atmakaraka specificty that distinguish this temporary generic aspects to my chart ?

Thanks.
O.
 

tamino

Member
Hello Gemini888,

Thank you for you sharing.

I indeed have a secret aspiration to write...But I don't feel pretty ready for this challenge (Fact is i'm pretty unable to be immobile and to invest things with linearity), even though I consider it with an increasingly interest as my walk in the materialistic routine is going further and generate cynism.

Take care,
O.
 

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
Dear Gemini Pyramid,
Thanks for your return.
Could you explain me something :
We all have our planets in a specific house at birth time.
But as planets are moving
there may be transit during our life time
involving new scenes
(to take the metaphore of JUPITERSAC)
of activities ?
Do you know the time of this transit in the 5th house ?
Many thanks,
O.
for timinjg of transits simply use kaktuzz FREE TRANSITS CALCULATOR :smile:
FREE ONLINE at https://horoscopes.astro-seek.com/transit-chart-planetary-transits
 

RishiRahul

Well-known member
Hello,

Astrology and related crafts/sciences can be deterministic if properly used.

You will feel throughout life an ongoing slowness of sorts, due to a lot of hopes/desires while portions/clusters in life will have speed and energy; that's your karma of being Rahu atmakaraka in Aquarius.

The close degree clusters in the 12th. house reveals
My guess is that family bonding is one of your souls major desire, besides concentrating on work related areas as you age increasing.

Last quarter 2015 onwards being more relaxed for your mind.

Also post June 2018 felt somewhat restricted or demanding; while post Aug 2018 onwards have given some understanding of what you want to pursue now.

after 7 March 2019 may have gotten more impatient as Rahu enters your 10th. house.

If the above points are correct,it signifies possibilities of newer openings from May 2019 onward;which you will pursue from around Aug 2019.

RishiRahul[/QUOTE]



Hello RishiRahu,

Thank you for your message.
I understand that Rahu (north node) is in Aquarius in my chart. But isn't it the case for all the people borned on this specific lapse ? Or is the atmakaraka specificty that distinguish this temporary generic aspects to my chart ?

Thanks.
O.


What mentioned is due to Rahu atmakarak in Aquarius + Rahu in 6th house + aspect of Jupiter and Saturn to Rahu (north node).

Unfortunately my analysis is mentioned in short always; but not the results.

RishiRahul
 

tamino

Member
Dear RishiRahul,

OK Sounds pretty clear.

Globally can we consider it as a good placement ?
If i understood well, Rahu as a malefic planet can give good influence on the 6th house ? Have you any idea of what aquarius involve in this configuration ?

TY
O.
 
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