Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

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ElenaJ

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Don't mean to interrupt you guys, but here is the natal and progressed of the flavour of the week. Beto O'Rourke. Why is he having his 15 minutes of fame right now?
 

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ElenaJ

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david starling said:
Mars is transiting his natal Moon and squaring his natal Venus.
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In wide trine to his mars/pluto conjunction. This might give more power to the transiting mars aspect. It also forms a grand trine with the north node.
The progressed north node is caught up in the current pluto/saturn transit in Capricorn.
And the transiting mars is opposite progressed sun.
Progressed moon in ambitious Capricorn squares progressed mars.
Really sorry we don't have a birth time to set these powerful aspects in context.
 
Dirius

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greybeard said:
A facist is not a left wing socialist...far from it. Check your definitions.
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Really? lets review the facts then.

- Fascists believe in goverment control of the economy.

- Fascists promote the "welfare-state" in which the goverment provides free education and health-care, along with monetary aid.

- Fascists employ massive propaganda and control of the media, sponsored by the goverment.

- Fascists abolish the rights of citizens, mainly freedom of expression and the ability to criticise the goverment.

- Fascists in Europe only allowed for a single party system of politics, like communists did in Cuba, China, Russia, etc.

All of these are left-wing ideals. In contrast to right-wing ideals, be it "conservatism" or "libertarianism" are based on decentralization of the economy without much goverment involvement, a smaller goverment bureaucracy, individual liberty, and respect for constitutional rights. By definition all of these theorems I just mentioned, can't be part of the right-wing spectrum. They can only be part of the left-wing spectrum. Lets also notice some similarities between the communist and fascists regimes, such as criticism of capitalism.

Those are the facts. Now lets look at some interesting details about the leaders of fascist regimes: Mussolini was a member of the italian communist party, before he was expelled and created his own party; Hitler joined the "national socialist-workers party", whose membership was mainly composed of left-wing working class blue collar citizens. It is clear that both individuals hold political views that were compatible with left-wing policy, because they promoted marxists views. If you check all the communist parties around the world, they all claim to represent the "working class", in a similar manner as the fascists did.

As you can see greybeard. Fasicsm is a left-wing ideal. It can't be right-wing because its incompatible with all the premises of the right-wing spectrum of limited goverment. Like socialism, the fascists believe in a big goverment taking over things.
 
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david starling

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Dirius said:
Really? lets review the facts then.

- Fascists believe in goverment control of the economy.

- Fascists promote the "welfare-state" in which the goverment provides free education and health-care, along with monetary aid.

- Fascists employ massive propaganda and control of the media, sponsored by the goverment.

- Fascists abolish the rights of citizens, mainly freedom of expression and the ability to criticise the goverment.

- Fascists in Europe only allowed for a single party system of politics, like communists did in Cuba, China, Russia, etc.

All of these are left-wing ideals. In contrast to right-wing ideals, be it "conservatism" or "libertarianism" are based on decentralization of the economy without much goverment involvement, a smaller goverment bureaucracy, individual liberty, and respect for constitutional rights. By definition all of these theorems I just mentioned, can't be part of the right-wing spectrum. They can only be part of the left-wing spectrum. Lets also notice some similarities between the communist and fascists regimes, such as criticism of capitalism.

Those are the facts. Now lets look at some interesting details about the leaders of fascist regimes: Mussolini was a member of the italian communist party, before he was expelled and created his own party; Hitler joined the "national socialist-workers party", whose membership was mainly composed of left-wing working class blue collar citizens. It is clear that both individuals hold political views that were compatible with left-wing policy, because they promoted marxists views. If you check all the communist parties around the world, they all claim to represent the "working class", in a similar manner as the fascists did.

As you can see greybeard. Fasicsm is a left-wing ideal. It can't be right-wing because its incompatible with all the premises of the right-wing spectrum of limited goverment. Like socialism, the fascists believe in a big goverment taking over things.
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It can be left OR right-wing. The right-wing loves authority figures, and wants a "strong leader". In fact, the term "right-wing" originated as an appellation for monarchists.
 
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waybread

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Oddity said:
Here, the progressive conservatives are a lot like the liberals. The closest we have to a conservative party at this point is the People's Party of Canada, which was formed after Max Bernier split with the PCs.

He's not gonna win the election, sadly. But he's the only one who's been making any sense.

The liberals are in a meltdown over a financial scandal with favours to a company they have strong ties with and attempting to pressure the attorney general into not prosecuting said company for rampant corruption, and it's bad enough that I think Justin isn't going to recover for the election in October.

But...the PC leader, Andrew Scheer, is Trudeau-lite and possibly even more vapid than Justin is, so....

It's not looking good for your neighbours to the north.
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OK, but the only man that we have in office who even remotely resembles Donald Trump is Doug Ford, premier of Ontario. Thankfully I don't live there.

Justin Trudeau may be vapid, but he's a paragon of virtue compared to Trump.

The new progressives like Ocasio-Cortez have a lot to learn, but they were elected by people who couldn't just sit back while Trump wrecked the United States.
 
waybread

waybread

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Dirius said:
No they are not. Democrats care about spending taxpayer money on themselves, to benefit their own position. That is why most of them are rich by the time they retire.

The republican voter base likes Trump for 2 reasons:

a) Not a career politician
b) Actually talking about the issues that matter: the economy, security, immigration etc.

Whether Trump's solutions to the problems are good or bad, that is debatable. However he has at least make an emphasis on solving them, while other politicians (democrats and republicans alike) just keep rolling the ball, passing the problems to the next generation.
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Somewhat incorrect.

Trump has told over 9000 fact-checked lies since he's been in office.

Other politicians talk about the same issues.

His solutions to whatever problems have ballooned the US national debt, alienated US allies, and resulted in some of his inner circle having to resign amid scandal and jail time. His wall idea is ridiculous-- and costly. (Remember his promise that Mexico would pay for it?) The US has more efficient ways to check immigration and drug trafficking. He gives hope to white nationalists engaging in hate crimes.

And to you conservatives out there: he's not actually a conservative.

Ocasio-Cortez has a lot to learn, but she represents a groundswell of Americans who want to take back their country.
 
AppLeo

AppLeo

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waybread said:
Somewhat incorrect.

Trump has told over 9000 fact-checked lies since he's been in office.

Other politicians talk about the same issues.

His solutions to whatever problems have ballooned the US national debt, alienated US allies, and resulted in some of his inner circle having to resign amid scandal and jail time. His wall idea is ridiculous-- and costly. (Remember his promise that Mexico would pay for it?) The US has more efficient ways to check immigration and drug trafficking. He gives hope to white nationalists engaging in hate crimes.

And to you conservatives out there: he's not actually a conservative.

Ocasio-Cortez has a lot to learn, but she represents a groundswell of Americans who want to take back their country.
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Trump, Cortez, and all other leaders suk and it's because the average American is too dumb to demand their freedom back.
 
Dirius

Dirius

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waybread said:
Somewhat incorrect.

Trump has told over 9000 fact-checked lies since he's been in office.

Other politicians talk about the same issues.

His solutions to whatever problems have ballooned the US national debt, alienated US allies, and resulted in some of his inner circle having to resign amid scandal and jail time. His wall idea is ridiculous-- and costly. (Remember his promise that Mexico would pay for it?) The US has more efficient ways to check immigration and drug trafficking. He gives hope to white nationalists engaging in hate crimes.

And to you conservatives out there: he's not actually a conservative.

Ocasio-Cortez has a lot to learn, but she represents a groundswell of Americans who want to take back their country.
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As you said, politicians talk about the same issues, but have done no effort to solve them. Trump has at least done it.

Actually you are mistaken waybread, perhaps uninformed about the national debt issue. The national debt has not risen because of Trump, considering none of his policies added a significant amount of spending that would result in an overwhelmingly rise in debt. The truth is that since the Obama era in 2008, the debt of the U.S. has risen close to 1 trillion dollars per year. It is the amount of goverment institutions that were installed during Obama years that have caused that massive increase. So blaming the steady debt to Trump would be naive.

Now as for the increase in 2018, as you pointed out it is because of the tax cuts. However, what you seem to miss is that long-term planning when cutting taxes indicates that federal revenue will go up (more growth leads to more revenue). Is this what happened? well lets see: in Trump era the federal tax revenue has reached a historic high. And this is only after a year and a half of tax cuts. Also, Trump has recently called for a budget cut to reduce federal spending, so he does plan to deal with the debt and balance the budget. You speak of him as if he had finished the job, but I think you need to have some clarity and learn about economics a lil bit: you need to focus on long-term planning.

AOC only represents her pockets waybread. Like all commie swine do. She has already been hit by a campaign scandal about miss-handling funds. Or hasn't CNN told you about that? guess not. Oh and then there is that thing when she makes her boyfriend earn a 60k salary from the tax-payer's pocket each year (unlike Ivanka Trump who works in the white house for free, taking no salary).
 
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david starling

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david starling said:
Why did Trump take his club's golfing championship away from the guy who actually won it?

Ans: He couldn't stand to see Virtue triumph.
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A CEO named Ted Virtue won the club's championship this year, but Trump took it away from him on the grounds that he, himself didn't compete but would have won if he had! :bandit:
 
waybread

waybread

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AppLeo, there's a socialist hiding under your bed.

Dirius, there are two socialists hiding in your closet.

Be afraid. Be very afraid.
 
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