"I have been looking at legendary scientists or just those that are said to have a high IQ, this is what I have found.
3rd house mercury in gemini or aquarius.
eg thomas edison and nikola tesla has a third house mercury
thomas edison mercury in aquarius and nikola tesla mercury in gemini
Ung Yong Kim has mercury in aquarius
Mercury conjunct saturn
I know I was surprised too, but a lot of them seem to have this aspect.
eg Nikola Tesla, Albert Einstein, Ung Yong Kim(said to have the highest IQ in the world-has a lot of achievements at an early age)
Isaac Newton has the square between mercury and saturn. Stephen Hawking has the trine.
This one I was really surprised because of the fact that capricorn is not always a sign associated with intelligence. But then again saturn is the co-ruler of aquarius and also this could mean that they have the ability to discipline their minds to actually learn, unlike gemini and aquarius energies that activate curiosity and progressive ideas.
Mercury in aspect to uranus-which is no surprise there.
eg Stephen Hawking, Ung Yong Kim, Benjamin Yantanyahu(said to have a high IQ, Albert Einstein had the inconjunction. Thomas Edison who did not have mercury in aspect to uranus, had mercury in aquarius.
There also seems to be 3rd house and 10th house activity. Which comes to no surprise(3rd house being the house of gemini and 10th house being the house of careers -and many of them are in 'smart' fields)
10th house mercury-albert einstein. Benjamin Netanyahu. (including him does not convey my thoughts and opinions about the israel-palestine issue-so I don't want to hear comments about that-this is not political)
Mercury also aspects the ascendent or the sun.
I have observed actors and actresses said to have a high IQ-they didn't have these markers-reason for that could be because they didn't enter scientific or revolutionary fields.
So to sum it off, I think whatever aspects the mercury influence the way you think or learn. However, unless you have 10th house mercury energies, or even prominant aspects from mercury to sun, ascendent, you will not be KNOWN for your intelligence or become a famous scientist/mathematician
For those of you that have mercury with saturn, uranus, and with whatever else planet, one of your goals in this life time here is to learn how to learn effectively in regards to that planet.
For example, mercury-uranus-learn to apply what you learned to the real world-and form ideas of how this knowledge can be used, be creative with it. Maybe convey and teach the content to others in a very eccentric ways with interesting imaginary stories related to the content.
Mercury-mars-application, hands on, how you actually apply the information that you learnt.
Mercury-neptune, make a story, us imagination to form a story that relates to the content/information
or roleplay
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Merury-saturn-plan how you are going to study, repeatedly memorize the content that you must know, but also form connections to words that will help you remember things better. Also learn how to discriminate and undergo the process of elimination when you need to like in the case of multiple choice questions.
Also I'd like you to watch this video and give me your input.
As you can see, many of the greatest scientists had mercury in gemini, or aquarius, mercury with saturn/uranus, and a 3rd house emphasis so for me it only seemed intuitive that mercury in those signs would create intelligence.
But I've also seen an occurence of people with high iqs that don't do innovations in science, to have mercury in other signs. Also what was the basis of older astrologers claiming that certain signs produce more intelligence?
Gifted people can comprehend the intricacies of emotions and can manipulate it.
Emotional intricacies can lead you to become cult leaders and being emotionally attuned can make amazing psychologists and influencers.
Wow, I take it you must be really advanced in astrology then, how did you get so into it?
How exactly did you know that I had a weak mars though? I can see how you would guess all the other stuff right given your explanations of how you did, of course.
Well the way one communicates is only dependent on how they think, and our emotions (moon) heavily influences our thoughts and thinking (mercury), so the way I responded was definitely proof of that. My moon is conjunct my ASC though, so that might have been you just getting mixed signals there.
I agree with the above, but what happens when the chart promises something and it doesn't happen? How do you know just looking at a natal chart that a person didn't have a really tough transit during her early years (esp if the transit is made by "planets" overlooked by some astrologers). A psychological traumatized person can reach her maximum potential? Most don't?
Something I learned from sport astrology is that a soccer match can be correctly predicted using just the event chart in less than 75% of the cases. If you use one chart for each half time accuracy increases, if you see the match chart progressing minute by minute accuracy is so high that you'd probably earn lots of money predicting exact score. IMO astrology works the same in events and natal charts. You need to check "transits" to make sure the "promise" will materialize.
Of course, transits affect us differently. In my case Chiron is the most elevated "element" in my Chart (conjunct my MC and in 10H), and its transits (conjunctions to ASC, DSC and Vertex) have been the most difficult so far. Chiron is approaching my NN so I'm expecting some difficulties happening to me in the next months.This sport astrology thing sounds very interesting, so do your observations about the event chart and its increse in accuracy when using as many as possible. I'm completely unfamiliar with it (so I can't imagine how a soccer game and its results could be indicated through a chart) but I see your point.
As for the natal charts I don't have experience or at least none comes to my mind about a chart who doesn't gove the results it "promises".
I have experience though with the opposite. Charts who won't give more than what they promise despite of very favorable transits and progressions.
I'm a good example of this myself.
I've had it in the past but now it's actually more weird because it's in my 7th H. T.Pluto is in my 7th H and it has been conjuncting my NN for a year now I also have Saturn in my 7th H conjuncting my Neptune.. then it will conjunct my NN my Juno and Lilith in there too.
Nothing happened and nothing will happen relationship wise.
My friend though met her now husband as soon as T. Pluto entered her 7th H and she got married to him a few years late when when T. Saturn entered her 7th H.
The similarities is that none of us wanted a relationship let alone marriage.
The difference is she doesn't have a Cap 7th H with Uranus, Neptune and North Node in it like I do. I see this in many charts like mine.. It's just not meant to happen.
I have great examples that prove that if something is meant to happen it will no matter what, same goes for something that it isn't meant to happen, but this will be very long.
Transit will affect someone based on his/her chart, same transit affects each one in a different way, that by itself shows that the chart, the transits progressions, SR and any other chart will lead the native wherever it's supposed to go. That is why transits affect us so differently.
Generally speaking a distinct lack of the Air element in a natal chart usually indicates a person who does not perform well in an academic sense or get very far with ordinary school/university. This is not to say those people are stupid however as they just have a different kind of intelligence.
I myself have Mercury retro conjunct Uranus in the 9th in Sag and I was perceived as a slow learner in school but the truth was that I couldn't stand school . It also took me a long time to get a handle on controlling my thought processes as I have a tendency to 'jump' ahead rather than plodding through a problem systematically. My biggest issue was that my thoughts were too fast and that it was only when I slowed down my thinking that certain problems (like mathematical ones) became much easier. I also fall into the habit of reading books not at the beginning but at random points/chapters to get what I want or something interesting.
Others have mentioned Mercury squaring Saturn as an indicator of lower intelligence but this isn't the case at all. It could certainly indicate delays or challenges with ordinary schooling (and even some people who were mutes for a period of time) but Saturn is about mastery and while it is horrible to young people, Saturn becomes a beneficial planet later in one's life.
I have read charts of many people lacking the Air element (Air signs) in their charts however and without exception all of them dropped out of school at the first opportunity or pursued non-academic lines of work. Having placements in the houses of relationship goes someway to mitigate this I think but the effect is much shallower than having personal planets in Air signs.
It's going to be difficult to find the basis since lot of original astrological knowledge stretches far back into antiquity. The good news is that there is a concerted effort by some astrology researchers to make this knowledge accessible to both amateurs and professionals alike, so that we have a richer view on our origins and what they did as well as incorporating some of their techniques into practice. Support the trad movement.
love-thinking, my Mercury in Cancer is 149 degrees away from my Uranus rx in Saggitarius, why can't that 149° aspect be almost biquintile?These are the conclusions I have come to. It's not really one particular signature that correlates to a higher iq, it is usually a culmination of things and/or a strong signature sentence in astrology like: mercury quintile uranus
aka your mind is talented at forming ideas or jupiter in 3rd house, your mind aka the third house is blessed with the blessings, broad thinking ability and abstract thinking of jupiter.
I think the study also referred saturn being in gemini and if gemini stands for mind and saturn stands for methodical ability?
Saturn is also not dumb as it gives one the ability to methodically conduct thought experiments and come up with a framework through which they learn, research and study. And many scientists were found to be born under the sun sign cap and saturn on the cardinal houses(gaquelen study).
I also think intelligence is changeable up to 25-30 IQ points at least. And those are determined by nurture things and other factors that lead or not lead you to take on 'intellectual pursuits.' For example, trauma(8th house), love affairs, wasting time, life events all diminish the extra 25 points you would have had and I can tell you this through my own experience. Having your asc lord in fifth house for example can lead you to take on creative ('intelligence') pursuits. Yet afflicted asc lord in 12th house is a little different.
That's why moon in aquarius can lead to intelligence as the moon loves intellectual discussions, debates, discussion which all train the mind to pay attention and use important things in the learning environment.
So I agree it's very complicated. Some of the research does give an ahh ha moment like mercury quintile uranus but it is important that there is more to learn about this topic and the traits of planets and signs in general.
Quintiles DO count, but quintiles of Mercury can make that person more intellegent, even if with Neptune.Your mercury is in gemini? I'm talking about lower iq. Which in my humble opinion and knowledge is being able to reason properly, think abstractly, connect the dots, and a decent memory.
Quintiles don't count. You're not dumb. Neptune can create spaciness but can also cause someone to think abstractly. But Yes I do think it might create a little slowness.
I have Mercury square Saturn, in Capricorn, and octile Neptune, but I'm a good student, and even go to a gifted class, too (although I had oxygen deprivation at birth, and I'm labeled as stupid, so I'm similar to Einstein a little bit). I think my Gemini rising halts the bad things from happening (it increases my intellegence from the disabled side to the above average side), although my thinking isn't too fast (or maybe sometimes I'm too fast to handle).Define low intelligence.
Forgive me if I sound offended, but as someone who has had to live with the "low intelligence" label for years, there is no such thing as stupidity, only different kind of intelligence. That said, I seem to notice that the people who are labeled "low intelligence" take more time to think, which isn't always a bad thing. Thinking slowly means more refined thought.
I can think of a couple of placements for that:
I have my chart here for reference.
- Mercury retrograde
- Mercury square Saturn
- Mercury in signs like Taurus or Capricorn
- Mercury forming an aspect to Neptune (causing seemingly spacy thought. In my case Neptune quintile Mercury)
I forgot to mention that I have Mercury OOB at 25°28'S, and I think the out-of-bounds Mercury actually helped me to think either very fast or slowly, and can balance the speed of my thoughts (even though I have ADHD, which contributes to having many streams of thought at the same time).I have Mercury square Saturn, in Capricorn, and octile Neptune, but I'm a good student, and even go to a gifted class, too (although I had oxygen deprivation at birth, and I'm labeled as stupid, so I'm similar to Einstein a little bit). I think my Gemini rising halts the bad things from happening (it increases my intellegence from the disabled side to the above average side), although my thinking isn't too fast (or maybe sometimes I'm too fast to handle).