True meaning of the Age of Aquarius.

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david starling

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Oddity said:
Remember, Zoller blends the mutable archetype over the immutable one. So you end up with immutable Cap on the MC overlaid by mutable Sag on the MC. Immutable Aries rising, overlaid with mutable Pisces rising.

Not talking mutable in terms of sign qualities here - it's a comparison of what changes and what doesn't when discussing the ages.
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I got the terms "Mundane and Temporal" for the Tropical Zodiac and "Spiritual and Eternal" for the Sidereal, from an an article on the Ages Zoller wrote, for which you, yourself provided the link (much appreciated). So, I would use Spiritual and Mundane, or Eternal and Temporal, instead of immutable and mutable.
 
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david starling

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Zoller's overlay is close to the mark, but doesn't take into account that the Vernal Equinoctial Point he's using to locate the Sidereal Age, doesn't translate into the Tropical. Rookie mistake--I'm surprised by it, unless he's just intending to illustrate the Ayanamsa. I am considering the Age types together, though, and your example is the current situation with a 30+ degree Ayanamsa. But, with Ages of differing lengths (~2150 years for a Sidereal, and~1750 years for a Tropical Age) and the Transit of the Age Indicator in opposite directions (Retrograde for the Sidereal movement, Direct for Tropical), you can't project along the timeline without knowing the actual location of the Age Indicator both in a Tropical-chart and in a Sidereal-chart.
 
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You might want to re-read it.

Let us begin to examine the Immutable Archetype. Then, having outlined its
general characteristics, move on to the general characteristics of the Mutable
Archetype leaving the details and minutia to be worked out by the student
in his or her leisure as a spiritual meditation. First, let us remind ourselves
that when we consider the signs of the Zodiac, we are considering the form
aspect of Nature.

He does go into spiritual and worldly as well, but this is what I'm talking about.
 
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david starling

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Oddity said:
You might want to re-read it.

Let us begin to examine the Immutable Archetype. Then, having outlined its
general characteristics, move on to the general characteristics of the Mutable
Archetype leaving the details and minutia to be worked out by the student
in his or her leisure as a spiritual meditation. First, let us remind ourselves
that when we consider the signs of the Zodiac, we are considering the form
aspect of Nature.

He does go into spiritual and worldly as well, but this is what I'm talking about.
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Tropicalists already know the meanings of their Signs, with the exception of misinformation about the Mundane nature of Pisces and Aquarius, due to the mistake of attempting to describe the Mundane developments and events in history using the Spiritual Ages. Likewise, Siderealists know the meanings of their Signs, with the same reservation. I see no reason to blend them together. Or, do I....hmm. This might be getting at a way to begin ending the schism between the Mundane and the Spiritual, as described by the Kali Yuga. Both versions of the Aquarian Age are beginning in the same time frame, which would be an Astrological reason it's time for the separation to end.
 
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david starling

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Oddity, would you mind summing up in your own words, the gist of what Zoller is trying to explain? Apparently, I'm unable to see where he's going with this. :unsure:
 
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david starling

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Here's what I find amusing: It's the placement of the Tropical Signs that are fully agreed upon, and remain in place from one Astrologer to another. So, the Tropical Zodiac doesn't change the location of its Sign-boundaries. In contrast, there are MANY different placements of the Sidereal Signs, with no agreement in sight. There are even those, like Robert Hand, who believes we should be using UNEQUAL Signs, to match the unequal lengths of the Zodiacal constellations. Even then, there's disagreement on where those should be as well. Clearly, the "immutable" Zodiac is the Tropical one, which is firmly rooted in the Seasons of Earth.:biggrin:
 
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david starling

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Galileo formulated the First Principle of Relativity: Everything moves relative to everything else. The observer chooses a fixed frame of reference, and the measurements apply within that coordinate system. There are no "Truly" fixed points.
So, when the Tropical coordinate system is held fixed, the stars move relative to the Tropical Signs, so the Sidereal Zodiac rotates with Direct motion through the Tropical, due to Precession of the Equinox. But, when the stars are held fixed, the Seasonally-measured points move relative to them, and the Tropical Zodiac rotates through the Sidereal in Retrograde fashion.. When the Galactic Center is held fixed, the stars move relative to it. When the horizon is held fixed, the Heavens move relative to it, due to the Earth's rotation. So,choose your coordinate system, make your measurements, and let others choose theirs and make their measurements.
 
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The age of aquarius is approaching but its effects are already felt; feminism, lbtq, weird technology and inventions, the rapid increase in knowledge, scientific advancements, technology, imo age of aquarius is already here. Not to forget the prevailing humanism.

When we reach the Piscean age the world will die! That is the end of it!
 
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david starling

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Animatrix said:
The age of aquarius is approaching but its effects are already felt; feminism, lbtq, weird technology and inventions, the rapid increase in knowledge, scientific advancements, technology, imo age of aquarius is already here. Not to forget the prevailing humanism.

When we reach the Piscean age the world will die! That is the end of it!
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When, in your opinion, will we reach the Piscean Age?
 
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Animatrix

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david starling said:
You just might be right. As far as living on the Earth in a Mundane way goes, there'll be a "Been there, done that, why bother with it?" attitude. :sleeping:
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But I believe that before the end comes, humanity will have reached a level of compassion never before seen. Today we are all influenced by the Aquarian mind of thinking; humanistic, progressive and weird, but still detached from each other. The Piscean Age will be a world where we are truly compassionate.
 
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david starling

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When the Age of Aquarius really kicks in, our current version of Reality will be a poor second-best. "This Changes Everything", but in a good way. Right now, it's about just about trying to make what we're stuck with, at least a little bit better. The change-over will be abrupt, once the tipping point is reached, but the tipping point itself will be approached gradually, one step at a time. That's where we are now.
 
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Animatrix

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david starling said:
When the Age of Aquarius really kicks in, our current version of Reality will be a poor second-best. "This Changes Everything", but in a good way. Right now, it's about just about trying to make what we're stuck with, at least a little bit better. The change-over will be abrupt, once the tipping point is reached, but the tipping point itself will be approached gradually, one step at a time. That's where we are now.
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There may be some political upheavals. Revolutions, freedom from religious dogma, etc.

What about planetary ages? Is there a planet that influences an era more than the other? I am like, I think the 30's and 40's were heavily influences by Neptune; the political, dreamy ideals of national socialism (nazism) and communism, this fanatical, idealistic ideas. And also the time before was very concerned with creating a heaven on earth, through eugenics and the like. The era before that was a technological revolution, the era of the new science and new ways of thinking; could be Uranus. The time from the 70's to now has been very Plutonic; aids, sexuality, and transformations in the world. What do you think?
 
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david starling

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From 1928 to 1942, Neptune was in Virgo, its worst placement, causing widespread delusional thinking. At the same time, Pluto was in Cancer, causing an urgent sense of purpose. This combination gave rise to a fanatical era, where war seemed to many to be the only way forward.
 
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Animatrix

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david starling said:
From 1928 to 1942, Neptune was in Virgo, its worst placement, causing widespread delusional thinking. At the same time, Pluto was in Cancer, causing an urgent sense of purpose. This combination gave rise to a fanatical era, where war seemed to many to be the only way forward.
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Yeah it's interesting how the sign palcements of the malefics really causes an impact. Interstingly, shortly after Pluto was discovered, the first atomic bomb was used.

It's interesting to note that when the malefics were discovred, it was at a time when their influence was exceptionally strong. It's as if everything is just a story, a stage. It baffles me a bit.
 
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david starling

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Animatrix said:
Yeah it's interesting how the sign palcements of the malefics really causes an impact. Interstingly, shortly after Pluto was discovered, the first atomic bomb was used.

It's interesting to note that when the malefics were discovred, it was at a time when their influence was exceptionally strong. It's as if everything is just a story, a stage. It baffles me a bit.
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They're only Malefic in the context of this Capricornian Age ruled by the Saturn/Mars combination. They're Benefic for the Aquarian Age, with its Uranian rulership. Since we're on the cusp of the Ages, in a state of transition, they're more like Mercury, which can go either way. That strong influence was because they came in right when the Aquarian Age influence was impossible to ignore. The beginning of the Reality-shift caught nearly everyone off guard.
 
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