I have self hating thoughts all the days before going to sleep, I blame myself for: being lazy, don't get a normal job, Inherit illnesses, for waste my life in my bedroom and not be able to out because I don't want to be hurt again by my family (Saturn in 4th ?), for not being capable of touch any person because when a person touch me or is near to me, I feel in danger.
I know, that sounds weird! an yes, I also blame myself for being weird. I can not be in public places because I feel really nervous and stresses when people look at me.
My sun is in scorpio in 12th without aspects, my moon is in virgo and my ascendant is in scorpio.
I have self hating thoughts all the days before going to sleep, I blame myself for: being lazy, don't get a normal job, Inherit illnesses, for waste my life in my bedroom and not be able to out because I don't want to be hurt again by my family (Saturn in 4th ?), for not being capable of touch any person because when a person touch me or is near to me, I feel in danger.
Yes, but I think the square is too wide, my ascendant is 19º Scorpio and saturn is 12º conjunct my IC.
That description fits with me very well, except the part of:
"Feeling that you have a duty to your country or place of origin."
That description fits with me very well, except the part of:
"Feeling that you have a duty to your country or place of origin."
But if you felt that your country was doing good things for you, then you probably would feel a duty and an obligation to it.
At 19 years old, my progressed sun was conjunct my ascendant and my loved grandma died, I had to go to with at psychologist a couple of times at that time because I thought in suicide.
At 21 years old, it made a conjunct with mercury/pluto and I was involved in occultism searching my path of life. It was a awesome experience, I received advice from a medium and she tell me all my past and some advice to the future.
Right now my progressed sun is not making aspects to other planets but in 3 years it will make a sextile with my natal moon.
Currently my progressed moon is conjunct Chiron in 10th Sqr exactly my mercury/pluto in 1st. I was expecting something important but nothing happened
Traditionally, the ascendant tells of the state of the body and the ruler of the ascendant tells of the state of the mind. This isn't hard-and-fast, almost nothing in astrology is, but I've found it to be largely true.
If you're prone to self-hating thoughts - what does your ascendant ruler look like? Where is it in the chart? Are there afflictions? From which planets?
You know your Capricorn stuff well - Yep, even Cap's ruler, Saturn (Or Satan, sorry but it is the same image) is depicted as a hooved goat so the goat and the mountainside go well. I love hanging around mountains personally.Maybe that's not literally what you should do, but something in that spirit, perhaps yes. Capricorn is the archetypal hermit. And the archetypal mountain goat.
So what is it about this hermit on a mountainside raising goats fantasy that speaks to you? Being alone? Being on the mountainside? Goats?
Then take it a step further: what is it about being alone that speaks to you? Or about being on a mountainside?
Whatever's underneath that, that's what will feed your Capricorn moon.
I think it's the first house Sun-Jupiter since yes that is an Aries house and Jupiter is also a fire planet even if it's not at home in Cap. I guess Uranus in Sag would be part of this too but don't actually see its energy playing out in my life.You're a triple Capricorn! Maybe that's the Aries-like element you see? Seems to me that the combination of cardinal and first sign and all that energy there would do it.
Glad you are confirming it - but that could be Moon-Merc with Neptune/Pluto and both aspecting AC and MC. Supposedly these have some of that where Chiron would be more about learning a ton about something because one is having such trouble practicing it themselves.You've told me things about myself that were never verbalized when you've posted in my threads. Definitely true!
Sounds about right, or telling them what they need to do to get to a "just do it" state of mind.Hmmm.... I don't think I've ever flat out told anyone to do something about becoming themselves, except maybe in astrology readings, and then it's just a suggestion ("your chart shows you need x, what are you doing about that?") But maybe Aries is about being and showing instead of telling?
Graay ghost, do you have any hard aspects between say your Sun and Pluto? The definition you gave here sounds like you might have just such an aspect.It is much easier to protect oneself than to protect others from yourself, so it's not even a consideration.
Catowm - that sounds like a painful configuration so I'm glad nothing bad actually happened. Gives me hope for an upcoming Chiron progression I'll be having (prog. Sun square Chiron) very soon that has been scaring the *** out of me..Currently my progressed moon is conjunct Chiron in 10th Sqr exactly my mercury/pluto in 1st. I was expecting something important but nothing happened
Graay ghost, do you have any hard aspects between say your Sun and Pluto? The definition you gave here sounds like you might have just such an aspect.
Traditionally, the ascendant tells of the state of the body and the ruler of the ascendant tells of the state of the mind. This isn't hard-and-fast, almost nothing in astrology is, but I've found it to be largely true.
If you're prone to self-hating thoughts - what does your ascendant ruler look like? Where is it in the chart? Are there afflictions? From which planets?
Regarding the original question, yes, the asc and the chart ruler are key players in how an individual navigates life, interacts with it, and processes it. So of course there is some validity to be found in the original poster’s theory. Many other potential indicators of insecurity have been noted by others on this thread so I will spare you from another astro-monologue.
Rather, here is a story that speaks directly to the original post and asks you to consider the question from a different light:
There is someone in this thread, and you know who you are. We had a point of serious misunderstanding with one another. But we talked it through, understood the situation from each other’s point of view, and in the end, we ended up reaching a genuine level of love and respect for one another rather than animosity. This achievement would not have been possible if this other person did not have the ability to receive my communication with an ability to see outside of him/herself. This person had the ability to detach and reflect objectively so that another point of view could be understood. Repeat: I had to reach out….but this other person had to be receptive to it. Our achievement would not have been possible without that receptivity. We both had to see the situation from each other's point of view.
So what one refers to as "self hate" could possibly be the potential for deep introspection or reflection. Maybe you're just looking at it the wrong way.
There is priceless value and strength to be found in those who have the ability to be self-reflective. It is not a bad thing. It is a good thing. If the potential is there within a natal chart for one to be “self-critical,” then for an astrologer, the next step is to help someone recognize its potential to become a strength and to channel it that way.
Tense aspects or challenging placements are often our greatest source of strength for achieving a deeper level of understanding in whatever area of life is emphasized. If you see a chart with nothing but all of the planets in perfect grand trines, then you’re probably looking at someone who just psychological sits in place with drool hanging out of his mouth. Our biggest leaps forward in life come from the tension that is generated from our charts. But the greatest skillset one can have is the ability to be self-reflective in an honest way. How else do we improve ourselves and take it to the next level? How else do we connect with one another?
The key is for someone to transform “self-hate” into “self-reflection.”
S.
I don't experience a lot of 'self hating' thoughts. I tried to think back to when I was younger, and I think I was mostly critical and insecure about my curves. Although looking back, looking at pictures, I was in very good shape.
I was very athletic and have Taurus rising, with Venus in Sag in the 7th. I was a competitive slalom skier and a ski teacher for many years and a water skier.
So I wonder if my Jupiter protects me from active self hating thoughts.
I have the Asc. @ 21Taurus. And Jupiter @ 18 Taurus. So maybe Jupiter is the buffer?
I still think Capricorn and Virgo Asc and/or Moon would cause most of the problem. Air and Fire Suns (especially Leo) would help alleviate it.