Uranian thread
There are three kinds of lies: Lies, dam* lies and statistics.
--Benjamin Disraeli
Miquar, you have shared quite a bit actually. A question: since when is cross dressing considered a symptom of "violent criminals" or murderous psychopathy? Why have you included violent criminality in your reply? Are you just loosely speaking your mind aloud? The moon is not in aspect to Chiron in this chart. What you have done in an effort to highlight Chiron (?) and an aspect (while bolstering the cred of your reply with Green's name) is unwittingly associated this cross dressing individual with violent criminals! Give Fab Fred a break or at least sensitivity.
I have Green's book and appreciate it. This reply cannot contain my thoughts on statistics and various methodology biases e.g., belief, confirmation biases to name two, but suffice to say that statistics bring with it a critical double edged sword leading to its own mercurial misery--If you could, just ask deceased Michel Gauquelin. Interestingly, the Gauquelins wrote the following sentence in their book "Birth Times" (pg 131): "To put it crudely, the signs of the zodiac are useless...a horoscope without the zodiac is surely like a day without the sun." Additionally, given that the moon's orbital speed is so swift compared to the other astrological bodies there are inherent statistical problems when including it in any distributive data, i.e., of course its going to make aspects. A second idea is that one would have to include a very large cross sampling of the population to give any true statistical weight to the data.
I include this, since, when I am looking over charts many thoughts pass through my mind along with ancient admonitions from the likes of Firmicus Maternus: " In drawing up a chart, do not show up the bad things about men too clearly...delay your responses with a certain reticence..."
Let's have a chat. The individual here (Fred) is observing the POWER AND STRENGTH of all things FEMALE. It is NOT a liability. He has benefited from woman not only through his family and marriage (A Playboy Bunny! He could have done worse.) but also through his ANCESTORS--and I'm not talking evolutionary astrology either--more on that later. Since we are now author name dropping, I will submit Camille Paglia's for inclusion--read Sexual Personae for starters. Is Fred's identification with some things female an illness? I submit NO. I really don't see him suffering from proximity to woman either-- his family, his mother and again his wife. He produced two children and from what we are hearing it was a more positive marriage than not. His "anxiety" is not extending from other females. The strategy to deal with his internal lunar/Pluto ideation is shored up in his PERSONIFICATION of females--glamorous females. I think he LOVES beautiful woman and the euphoria and freedom which he derives from this personification (as reflected in the 12 house Uranus trine Jupiter 4th)
I think he NEEDS them.
If there is any anxiety it is relieved with the Uranian influence as i wrote earlier. But, let's get this right, I submit he is REFLECTING HIS OWN FEMALE FROM WITHIN HIMSELF AND IMAGES OF DOMINANT BEAUTIES OF THE CULTURE AT LARGE rather than any "wounding". (But ill take a Lacanian sense of inverted "lack") The grand trine includes Venus 3, Mars 10 and Chiron 6th near the DC! --HELLO! He is a friend of females.
His overall chart is the Uranian version of super dress-up, emotional play time and the chart expresses that preoccupation through the lifelong 4th/12th planets and aspects. What Fab Fred's chart shows is an element of Transvestic fetishism and possible trangendering, since I believe it's within his biology as well and obviously not just in the 2-D chart and or stemming from "culture" exclusively (Not a popular position among social scientist who promote "Blank Slate" cultural hegemony). He will probably continue to feel great by acting out--"BEING OUT". Buddhism can wait too! The DSM needs to be updated in this regard...is not Lady Liberty of Statue of Liberty fame not a bit draggy too or at least a supra-female? Coursing through all of earth's history --especially western history--is a latent transgendering and transvestism. Why? because its always been there. It's a part of our biology. Blended together and taken as a whole, the sexual and gender differences yield shades of gray not black and white. That goes for both Queens and Kings.
Very few of us reflect absolute masculine or feminine genetic qualities. Lets face it, it's impossible since we come from a male and female but we honor these poles of difference in our culture nonetheless as the feminine and masculine principles embody the prime dictum of our human culture: mate. It is through the embodiment of this oppositional force that several forms of selective pressure are maintained, one of which is dominance, and that includes female dominance in all its forms (make no mistake there is a mutability to this gene encoding). But, let's get real. Nature, in all its wisdom doesn't really care if you are either Raquel Welch or Charlton Heston. Nature allows many variations on the theme of "Human" to "get it on" (and not just for reproductive reasons and the health of the species but culture itself benefits too. One could muse that culture itself is a biological entity of sorts)--it's in the best interest of our species' survival to mix it up, which again, creates healthy individuals and culture. (Books of interest: Sex At Dawn by Ryan & Jetha, Genome by M. Ridley, Delusions of Gender by Cordelia Fine) Curiously, a Uranian individual in the 19th century was one who courted ideas of personal "otherness"--transsexual, transgendered, transvestic etc.
The close relationship between what we deem positive and negative traits --even *medically described-- as in the case of certain diseases cannot be highlighted more. (*Diabetes is now understood to be an adaptive trait to cold climates and varying food resources, which unfortunately doesn't jive well with our easily had, carbo-loaded lives....but for Pleistocene individuals above roughly 40 degrees north latitude the adaptation that allowed survival sure was necessary. Passing thought: Has anyone considered that Nature itself is a cross-dressing tranny witch playing for keeps?
Again, let's get real about what we are--which is both male and female (Miquar, you yourself use the Taiggi [yin/yang] symbol as your personal aegis for your entries in this astro-community with a Sun and Moon blended upon it no less!)
So lets talk about the chart and orbs. Why did I "see" in the chart what is being reflected in Fred's life? (Btw, that is the 12th house we are talking about with Uranus which highlights feet, walking and my Nancy Sinatra tune. Does Fred also enjoy an innocent love of feet--foot fetish, nice shoes? Ditto for females being friends of Fred (Venus, Neptune 3rd) as well as the famous playboy wife (Oriental Pluto conj ASC).
I have found many with IC or 4th house/12th house placements to be walkers. It's a dreamy, low-key way to escape which is mostly close to home.
Since much of my practice is dedicated to being in front of live clients and their charts PLUS reference to a very healthy library on the subject, including historical charts, I have found --like most decent astrologers-- that each chart has its own integrity. The question of orbs is a common one. I am generally known for using the smallest orbs possible. I am also known to be flexible in this regard as it pertains to the chart's integrity.
The above chart is a perfect example. The promittor Saturn is in its own sign of Capricorn in the fifth house, dignified by sign but opposite by house position (since Capricorn rules the 10th and this is in the 5th) which renders it more than noteworthy --a type of house detriment. Meanwhile, since Mars, as it applies in the direction of the MC is in the last decan of the tenth OPPOSITE its home house of the fifth which renders the aspect (Sun T-SQ Saturn and Mars) as a whole, a type of negative mutual reception thus the wide orb is included. OK? Why would I do this? Because I happen to believe that HOUSE is prime over sign. Whenever I see the two malefics in concert in this manner, I will take into account their proximity to the planet in question, which is in this case the Sun (more reception-like influence as the fifth is the house of the Sun). So, when I originally wrote "loosely in T-SQ aspect" there was acknowledgement of the orb's width and its influence. Also, the website, Astrodienst, used for the chart also noted it with its triangulated red lines denoting a T-SQ.
Is there more? Yes. Both signs of Virgo and Cancer are of "long ascension" due to the obliquity of the ecliptic in the Northern hemisphere. (*there are more signs than these two termed "long" but it's worth noting for people's general interest that they are reversed in the southern hemisphere). So, I look at the ascendant and question activity and house structure. Whenever I see something like 4:30AM sharp or any other near perfect rounded number I take a second look since hospitals are known to record as much as 15 minutes late. (I take a third look when I see Pluto, Uranus and North node too hovering around the ASC but for other reasons) In short, I look at general things and specific things (e.g., Uranus in detriment in Leo).
In the general, If we simply look at the chart in its most basic way, independent of house, sign or degree system, we easily see that Mars is opposite Saturn with Earth "between" them, while the Sun is approximately 90 degrees to both. Even without degrees we have these two astronomical bodies -- at astronomical distances from one another in space-- at roughly 90 degree angles to the Sun. If there is any "cosmobiological" effect it is surely seen in this rough aspect as it has been spoken and written about for most of human recorded history. So, I take note.
In the specific, Pluto is Oriental with NNode following, rendering it as extremely important to the chart
...and, a Mercury ruled Virgo ASC and a Mercury ruled MC,...sure, "communication" as we know, but as it relates to the chart question i.e., markers for crossdressing as double dealing androgyne Hermes is all over the place. (I also wonder about their marriage? Was it one of sibling-like familiarity? I think so...or even, at times, ever-so-softly lesbian-like? This also suggests why the 6th house Chiron in the grand trine with third house Venus and Mars is NOT wounding--can you say "talk therapy", communication?
...and with the second house Mercury and Sun PLUS the Uranian 12th trine to Jupiter AND the 5th house Saturn we have a late life singer/Performer. I bet "Frederique" has a nice voice too and can sing. I further wonder if he could also write a book on the subject $$$?)
Fred, please enjoy your fabulous fifties.
"There are in Astrologie, I confess, shallow brooks, through which young tyroes may wade; but withal there are deep fords, over which the giants themselves must swim."
--Elias Ashmole
Sidereally,
Scienceofself
*Note: Scienceofself's Jupiter is in Gemini ; )
Yes, Miquar, clearly solar arc Mars would be making an aspect given its orbital speed eventually...in the future. However, given its daily movement, a tighter square with Saturn was in the making around October 4th 1960 --a week and a day later. This DAILY movement is of immediate interest rather than solar arcs. The concern is natal not solar arcs or secondary progressions.