Effects of the North Node?

Does anybody know what the North and South node do? I'm talking about what they do in practice, not in theory. I know they're about the soul's needs and about your karma, but what do these points exactly do when in practice? Do they create life opportunities, do they make you lose your job, do they make you gain a lot of money, do they make you lose opportunities? Are these points of great significance? Also, what happens when the Moon, the very planet from which the nodes come from, aspects the nodes? Is there some kind of emphasis put onto the nodes for aspecting the Moon?

Anyway, thanks for reading


-obsidian

Hi,
I used to use the analogy of the nodes as being positions A and B on a map.
The positions are there. Yet how do you get from one place to another? You travel, whether by land, sea, air, or space. There is movement whether it's physically, mentally, emotionally, or of the spirit. You go through all kinds of experiences on the way that you add to and carry with you in your backpack. Or you might find some experiences unnecessary and not take them in.
It doesn't matter how long the journey takes. You move towards a pre-calculated destination; the destination doesn't come to you.

There can be instances when it seems as if 'destiny' is calling. A situation or person has an effect upon you, through which you feel drawn to do something you may not have considered before, or you might decide to do nothing at the time, whilst the situation continues to 'nag'. Such incidents often find a correspondence with transits from planet to nodal axis, or vice versa.

If natal Moon is the companion on the journey, there will be the
accompanying pull of feelings that act as a reminder and can influence actions and decisions made.

It's a view (from personal experience) that natal Sun and its position seems to have more of a say which route from A to B should be taken.

obsidianmineral said:

Does anybody know what the North and South node do?


-obsidian

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Well, just for starters, points like the lunar nodes, the rising point and MC, the Part of Fortune and all the parts, they don't do anything. That is, they are calulated points, not bodies. Only actual astrological bodies can do.

So maybe you are not yet asking the right question for yourself as it relates to the Moon's node?
Rather than, say, reposting your original post for a third time, perhaps you may consider this matter further and possibly study what the Moon's nodes are, and that might answer your question better?

Wishing you the very best,

IleneK said:

Well, just for starters, points like the lunar nodes, the rising point and MC, the Part of Fortune and all the parts, they don't do anything. That is, they are calulated points, not bodies. Only actual astrological bodies can do.

So maybe you are not yet asking the right question for yourself as it relates to the Moon's node?
Rather than, say, reposting your original post for a third time, perhaps you may consider this matter further and possibly study what the Moon's nodes are, and that might answer your question better?

Wishing you the very best,

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Hi, thanks for the advice. I didn't know that they didn't do anything. Then they don't take action but rather they receive energies from other planets? Also, what do you mean "reposting your original post for a third time"? Has someone else been posting this before and you confused me with them?

[IMO] They're emotional-mindwave channels. The direction of flow is south to north. They can tell you how you're affecting shared Reality. The Sign (the quality of the effect) and the House (area of life) the NN is in are important, as well as Planetary aspects to the NN. You should be aware this is a Modern-astrological opinion, rather than Traditional.

What does the Ascendant do for you? It's simply the road your physical body is walking on. The Moon is considered your consciousness. The North Node of the moon shows the road your consciousness is on. That which pulls your mind to one direction, so to speak.

Without the node, you wouldn't be here on the physical plane, that's what I meant to say. There's no other practicality behind it.

david starling said:

[IMO] They're emotional-mindwave channels. The direction of flow is south to north. They can tell you how you're affecting shared Reality. The Sign (the quality of the effect) and the House (area of life) the NN is in are important, as well as Planetary aspects to the NN. You should be aware this is a Modern-astrological opinion, rather than Traditional.

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Hi david !

Traditional vedic is somewhat similar. Ketu Rahu Axis represents the Mooladhar ( basic)chakra to the Sahasrara( thousand petal lotus or crown chakra).. so actually we move from down to up.Technically anyone can reach enlightenment 😃..only the paths are different.

Jadi said:

What does the Ascendant do for you? It's simply the road your physical body is walking on. The Moon is considered your consciousness. The North Node of the moon shows the road your consciousness is on. That which pulls your mind to one direction, so to speak.

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I see the Asc. as vital to how we process the Life-force, vital to our material existence. And the NN as how we channel our Conscious, Emotional, Mind-waves into the Collective Consiousness. So, pretty similar to your view, except I label the Asc. an "Energy-portal", and the NN an "Emotional-channel", rather than "roads". I include the term "psychic-waves" regarding the Nodes--SN receiving, NN sending.

obsidianmineral said:

Does anybody know what the North and South node do? I'm talking about what they do in practice, not in theory. I know they're about the soul's needs and about your karma, but what do these points exactly do when in practice? Do they create life opportunities, do they make you lose your job, do they make you gain a lot of money, do they make you lose opportunities? Are these points of great significance? Also, what happens when the Moon, the very planet from which the nodes come from, aspects the nodes? Is there some kind of emphasis put onto the nodes for aspecting the Moon?

Anyway, thanks for reading


-obsidian

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In Vedic they give a great meaning to these points. Search Rahu/Ketu

obsidianmineral said:

Does anybody know what the North and South node do? I'm talking about what they do in practice, not in theory. I know they're about the soul's needs and about your karma, but what do these points exactly do when in practice? Do they create life opportunities, do they make you lose your job, do they make you gain a lot of money, do they make you lose opportunities? Are these points of great significance? Also, what happens when the Moon, the very planet from which the nodes come from, aspects the nodes? Is there some kind of emphasis put onto the nodes for aspecting the Moon?

Anyway, thanks for reading


-obsidian

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Any Planet Aspecting the Nodes is important to the flow of psychic energy, especially the Moon.

Hi Obsidian,

This is a most excellent question, and the kind of thinking that separates cook book astrology from the real deal. Trying to understand how and why something manifests in a chart, the underlying mechanisms, and then the practical results.

In Karmic/Spiritual Astrology the Nodes are of great significance, as they speak to soul intention and purpose in this life. In more classic astrology, the Nodes are only recently being seen as having any import, but in general the Nodes tend to be ignored by most astrologers.

In my work, Karmic/Spiritual Astrology, the Nodes are very important. So bear with me as I walk through the pertinent facts.

The Nodes are the intersection of the Moon’s path and the Sun’s path across the sky. So the Nodes are closely related to the Sun and the Moon which are major karmic, spiritual signposts.

The Sun is seen as potential energy to be developed in the current lifetime. It is what the soul is hoping to be, what the soul must be in this lifetime. The soul has come into this incarnation enveloped in the Sun sign energy, it order to learn as much as possible about that sign, good and bad.

The Moon represents deeply entrenched, unconscious feelings and patterns of behavior. It is instinctual, primal, holding karmic past life information for each soul. It is what the soul has been in the past, all that has gone before.

The Nodes then represent highly concentrated specific pockets of energy, the intersection of past (Moon) and present (Sun) spiritual energy, combining the past and present towards a focused soul purpose.

The NN represents the soul intention, the purpose and goals of the current lifetime. The SN represents the past, or deeply entrenched patterns and feelings. There is a polarity that must be unified, the opposites must not tear apart the soul, but must be integrated for the purpose of growth. It is helpful to see the Nodes as an axis.

The North Node represents new energy, potential, possibilities existing in the chart. It is thought that this is energy that must be grown into, we are not immediately living in North Node energy. We tend to be more deeply entrenched in South Node energy.

The NN energy will create pathways that lead to soul growth, and could impact jobs, finances, etc. And yes losses or gains could all make the soul move towards to soul intention. There are paths of energy that move the soul toward growth which may not be apparent at the time.

A older person who feels aligned with the NN soul purpose could look back on his or her life and see that adversity as well as good fortune all seem to have moved them towards the NN.

In terms of planetary aspects, I would say that both the Sun and Moon aspects are somewhat more important than the other planets. When the SN is in the same sign as the Sun, or the NN is in the same sign as the Moon, or the Sun and Moon are in the same sign, it tells us that the soul has been working on the sign energy for many past lives and it is now time to work on the energy in a more constructive way and to focus on the positive sign energy. When the Sun conjuncts the NN, it means that there is an urgent need in this life to work on positive sign development. Planets conjunct the SN tend to pull us back into old patterns and may feel like powerful sub-personalities.

A reversed nodal axis is also important, this is when the signs of the nodes fall in the opposite house to its natural placement. For example a 12h Virgo NN opposing a 6h Pisces SN. This is showing us that the sign energies have been worked on a great deal in the past, and there will need to be a deeper integration and final resolution of the energies in this lifetime.

Julia

Julia, David, et al,
In your experience is there a difference in meaning between the MEAN and TRUE nodal axis positions? I don't mean astronomically but in interpretation.
What about when MEAN and TRUE are in different signs. Which one is correct?

I have MEAN nodal axis in one sign and TRUE nodal axis in the preceeding sign. I've thought....or felt.... that MEAN seems to correspond with how the sign it is in externally experiences situations and TRUE how they are internally experienced.

A reversed nodal axis is also important, this is when the signs of the nodes fall in the opposite house to its natural placement

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Yep!
MEAN SN (Aquarius)is in 5th house/MEAN NN (Leo) is in 11th house..
Ruler 11th house is Moon and is in 5th house, sign of TRUE NN (Capricorn).

It seems so much like 'a continuing story'. I wish I could work out which chapter I'm in.

Mean vs True Node is a one of those constant debates among astrologers, even though in most cases it does not make much of a difference.

The Moon wobbles as it travels around the earth, and the Mean Node smoothes out the jiggles.
True Node is more reflective of the wobbling.

Steven Forest has written a great article on the topic, link below.
He likes the mean mode, I tend to like the true node as I am a purist who plays it as it lays.
But I look at both and if there is a sign difference between the two, I will discuss that in a reading.

Yes you have a reversed nodal axis, indicating you have been working on Leo/Aq energy for many lifetimes and need to kick it up a level in this life, really working on integrating the positive traits of both signs.

http://www.forrestastrology.com/resources/articles/general-astrology/124-mean-nodes-vs-true-nodes

Julia

obsidianmineral said:

Hi, thanks for the advice. I didn't know that they didn't do anything. Then they don't take action but rather they receive energies from other planets? Also, what do you mean "reposting your original post for a third time"? Has someone else been posting this before and you confused me with them?

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You are welcome. Understanding the difference between points and bodies can be useful.
No, I have not confused your post with anothers'. Your original post showed up a second time in the thread as I was reading it and before I posted my response. Soif you did not do it and then delete it, then it must have been a system glitch that corrected itself.

here are a few excerpts from
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=63539

that give practical ramifications of the nodes influence with out all the "karmic" verbiage obfuscating the real power of the node.


mercury conjunct the node is an indices of psychic power as well as extreme intelligence. often there is an intuitive intelligence that allows a indivual to get to the center of his analysis without having to read through the breath of the subject matter.this aspect is very inspirational and tend s to be associated with truth seekers.it is a sigh of a magician. edgar Cayce had such a conjunction though the strong sextile/trine pattern also contributes to his power.
the south node conjunct to mercury also give psychic and mental power but there is much more astral/psychic power and a person can easily become insane if they do not understand what happens in their minds.
the south node gives great creativity and the power of thought forms is very strong.
Theravada Buddhism teaches that reality is a series of thought forms, each arises spontaneously to be replaced by a new thought form. so reality is a sequence of thought forms. the emphasis is on thoughts being the center of reality.
http://www.dhammawiki.com/index.php?title=Theravada
this concept is very similar to a branch of quantum theory called informational quantum. in this theory the transmission of "data" is the base of quantum reality
http://www.technologyreview.com/view...tum-mechanics/

the images I use for the nodes are that the north node is were the essence of spirit enter into manifestation, it is the beginning of time. thought forms accumulate and grow until these thought form leave at the south node. but not all thought forms disappear, so there is a accumulation of "thought forms" around the south node that give the power to mercury conjunct the south node. therefore mercury conjunct south node give a very creative and intelligent mind as there are many preexistent thought formulation surrounding this conjunction. for this reason the mind can be overwhelmed much more easily by a south node conjunction to mercury than a north node conjunction. the nemesis of the north node is dissipation of mental powers because of lack of desire in the physical plane. here mercury is closer to the "Infinite" as the cycle of creation that has just begun while the mercury south node conjunction gleans from all the thoughts and experience's that have occurred during the cycle. mercury conjunct the south node has access to much psychic fertilizer that has been created. the north node mercury conjunction is "purer " in the sense that the plane of reality does not have as much power over it. but the north and south node are of the same energy and hence they can often affect one in the same way.one must be careful of psychic overloads ,especially with the south node can happen if too much psychic data enter the mind that is not integrated. this is why the make up of the personality structure is so important.
mercury conjunct the south node with a rigid and restricted personality structure would not have the flexibility to use the infinite data coming thru the node and could become crazy or mean ,rash and deceptive. this position is an aspect of a black magician as the psychic force tends to dominate and accumulate rather that teaches and disperses as mercury conjunct the north node is prone to do .

as the node rules the astral, either conjunction of mercury and the south or north node gives great psychic potential and potential for vivid.astral dreams . this is a position of the magician because the thought forms of these conjunction travel and stay coherent on the higher planes. and can affect others from the astral plane.
Isabel hickey considered mercury your soul, the entity that threads you through life sand death.


The conjunct of the node and saturn is probably the most complicated as Saturn rules Time and “reality“.The distinction I make is that the node “fixates” reality. But there is a deeper cultural antagonism between these symbols as Saturn conjunct the node can be seen as the primogenituric suppression of the matriarchical base of human life , society and spirit.
I describe the north node as the point of creation of time and existence and the south node as the point of egress of time and the point of accumulation of thought forms,. Then the practical difference in north node transits versus south node transits is the psychic accumulations of the south node tend to bring real power to the individual. The north node tends to bring knowledge an inspiration which can be translated into power and the accumulations of desired matter.
Whereas the south node transits bring power of thedense plane directly. As both are of the same element ,both bring inspiration and knowledge but once time begins the desires of the body are inundated by coarser more “real” forms of energy under the south node tan the north node.
So basically north node transits can be more intellectual/ spiritual whereas south node transits bring tension and psychic power dynamics into play. But both affect “reality”.
The south node can bring confusion if the individual cannot integrate the forces that come through them. The south node can bring megalomania whereas the north node can bring flights of illusion.
Traditionally the north node is of the nature of Jupiter and the south node is of the nature of Saturn and this does generally holds true.
Node transits to Saturn highlight the difference in the north and south node.
South node conjunct saturn often show material wealth.usually from the father.it gives a stubborn and controlling personality and the father is likely the major influence in this person life. Often a person is over shadowed by the father with this placement and can harbor resentment.in a womans chart especially ,this is an intial sign of sexual abuse, thought other aspects can make this definitive such as Pluto square to saturn or Pluto square the sun, actually Pluto square venus or mars also makes the sexual abuse likely.this placement brings a “magic” or altered state to the natives sense of reality . this can be because of financial or material advantage, but it can also show that coincidence play a big part I lifes experience. As the node is lunar in nature ,often such a placement in a man’s chart shows a domineering nature toward women. This placement shows a self sufficient attitude that often is accompanied by selfishness and insensitivity.
Adding the concept of magic, this placement is similar to the devil card as passions and selfishness are paramount. This is the placement of the occultist and can show the application of occult principles on the astral to control and influence others.
Afflicted this placement shows ill fortune because of selfishness and desires. It can bring economic problems throughout life and and inability to take advantage of opportunities .often hardship in early life give such a native an eternal”chip” on their shoulder.
Here the key is to not be greedy. The image is to catch power of the south node with open hands. That is do not try to catch all that come to one. This greed of wanting to control everything and retain everything leads to collapse as no mortal can contain the infinite.

The north node conjunct to Saturn often lessens the rigid ego structure that Saturn symbolizes. Insome ways the ego structure is dissolved and the native can embrace a
“spiritual “perspective . This can bring a sense of insecurity .This brings also indications of wealth ad in a woman’s chart the likelihood of sexual abuse for the same reasons as the south node placement.
Here the sense of magic and coincidence is less burdening as the environment does not “crush’ the native as strongly as when the south node is conjunct. The influence of the father is strong and usually has a dominating affect on the personality development .with hard aspect to mars, this placement can also result in stubbornness ad selfishness but always there is a insecurity as the transient nature of reality is felt much stronger than with a south node placement.
This placement also gives synchronistic events throughout life.
Both placements with Saturn and the nodes can give unusual physical symptoms. Sometimes negative sometimes positive. both placement are very “magnetic” to karmic or psycho kinetic influences.
I know of one native with a Saturn/south node conjunction who always would end up pits in her cherry pie or similar particles when she dined out. I have personally never bit into a pit but this occurred repeatedly in her case. on the flip side she had an uncanny ability to always arrive at a public destination moments before a crowd of people would arrive.
This is totally anecdotal but it serves to illustrate the quirky nature that reality can have with nodal/Saturn placements.
The distinction between south and north node transits is somewhat arbitrary as either placement can result in exalted or malicious examples. And either placement can give rise to opposite effects This is why I emphasize that each individual must research how the node affects them.
And as usual the aspects to Saturn can complicate the manifestation that occur.


The node conjunct to venus in the natal gives a attractive emotional and physical presence(though a strong Saturn placement can harden the physical attributes). The emotional aura is very strong and this native will be felt psychically by others. This can bring great creativity and prophecy. Intuitions are very good but the desire body can distort the intuition. love and opportunity come to this native but as the sexual aura is present from birth, this placement very often show sexual abuse .if the native also has hard Saturn/Pluto/Chiron/nessus aspect then sexual abuse is a given. if abuse starts very young then likely the native will not have any memory, so it is very delicate interpretation to make.
Often, especially with the south node transiting, a native will draw many suitors but many arguments and jealousies will occur.
The nodal axis can bring out both the good and bad in any symbol.
This tends to bring material luck and gain with many friends. but even with a bright façade this transit can burden the native with “emotional demons” and when afflicted can show a hateful ad vindictive personality under the attractive countenance .often the native will put out love and get hate in return.

Mars conjunct the nodal axis gives a powerful charisma or “magic” around them. the individuals aura is felt by all around.
This aspect gives an inherent “luck” of direction. That is ,if the individual is not overly bound by ego desires, then their spontaneous actions and responses are usually correct. It gives an “intuitive” sense of what their “path” in life is. But if the native has selfish motivations then this favorable vibration goes out the window. this aspect gives a magnetic quality to he native and are usually very attractive whether the physical body is “attractive” or not. This affect is similar to what athletes call being in the “zone”. If one can stay in the moment and not “think “ too much then the expectations and desires tend to follow.
the nodal axis gives a strong sexual aura also. And in a woman’s chart sexual abuse can be problem. With both mars and Venus, the sexual aura is very powerful from birth and hence sexually abuse experiences are very likely. On the positive side I usually is associated with a strong sexual drive but is not aggressive unless mars is afflicted. This mars aspect is closely associated with the 25th hexagram in the I CHING.
As a personally magnetic aspect, negative forces as well as positive forces can be directed a the native, as others may react if the native does not respond o their entreaties .
With a north node transit ,the native has an easier time following their “path”, as they intuitively take the correct turns.
A south node transit is more powerful and difficult because the dense plane is attracted to this aspect very strongly. The individual is more likely to allow his ego desires to take precedence over higher motivations. here the sense of personal strength is stronger as the environment is more easily molded and controlled by the native. This is one aspect of a black magician, where the individual seeks power and control over others. With this aspect a native tries to control all that comes to him, which is a fool errand ,as no mortal can contain the infinite energy of the universe that flows through the nodal axis .if the native can receive the infinite with open hands ,then the dense plane accumulations will not bury them. But very often this has to be learned by being overwhelmed by the nodal energy and falling from “grace” and success because of greed and selfishness.
This holds true for all nodal transits of the planet. That is , trying to contain or control all the energy of the south node will ultimately bring disaster . the correct image is to keep that which comes through your open hands but not to try to contain everything. The south node often bring a sense of megalomania to the native before hey learn their limitations
The north node transit does no usually bring this trial as it tends to bring truth ,insight ,knowledge and inspiration. Though such knowledge can bring the dense plane around them and so the same trials as the south node can be present. the distinctions between the north and south node are not absolute as it is the same energy axis and therefore the conditions described can be felt by either north or south node transits.

Jupiter conjunct the nodal axis gives intelligence and great understanding. With the north node it give noble morals and intuitive and inspired knowledge of the larger patterns of society. it brings innate teaching abilities and friends are drawn to the native for counseling and understanding. it tends to show a close connection to the grandparents and usually bring educational or financial success,
This position brings out the spiritual and religious feeling I a native and they usually are very just .

the node is also the path that enlightened spirits come to guide and instruct.
rahu The south node conjunct Jupiter tends toward accretion of power and the naïve can become very authoritarian. Obsession with money and power can follow and tyrannical a personality can develop if the personality structure is greedy and selfish. rather than being just , this position can show the native to be only interested In personal gain.and instead of trustworthy the power drawn by the south node can manifest as deception and lying.
Afflict this is a very aggressive and combative aspect. Megalomania can develop and any signs or impartiality can disappear .
with other indications in a chart ,this can show abuse by authority figures or aunts, uncles , grandparents or family friends.

whenever the node is conjunct a planet , the potential for the native’s personality being overwhelmed by the astral energies is present
with the nodal axis conjunct Jupiter , the native can become a beacon of light and understanding or an despotic , ruthless tyrant. The magic of the node can be good or evil.
All node conjunctions bring the danger of forces from the nether realms trying to take control of the naïve yet it is also the

Uranus conjunct the nodal axis gives direct access to the astral plane. This shows astral projection , vivid dreaming ,out of the body experiences , prophetic dreams and access to the akashic records. when favorable the native can see time as a ribbon . It give a potential of intellectual and creative genius and gives a reformative personality. It gives intelligence and foresightedness. It gives the potential for scientific and mathematical brilliance. but if the energy of the nodal axis overwhelms the native erratic and unstable efforts can result. Especially with the south node, this can bring “insanity”. it is rare that this conjunction does not at some point subject a person to influences that put them so far out of the social norm that they are characterized as “crazy”, as genius and insanity are but flip sides of the same two edged sword.
The problem here is the same with trying to contain all the cosmic energy that runs through the node. one must be able to integrate the astral input and let go of that which is beyond comprehension, but often the desire body identifies with the cosmic energies and loses sight that they are but a vessel. Insanity descends when the native identifies with the energy.
This position gives the potential for all forms of psychic phenomenon. Clairvoyance, astral projection and interchanges with other entities on the astral plane.
This brings spontaneous states of altered consciousness and this can turn to volatility and instability of the mind..The influx of the infinite will cause a rigid ego to explode while a expansive worldview brings great success. If this aspect occurs with an afflicted Saturn then the native will likely develop some form of bipolar personality disorder. And this aspect can destroy a natives life with continual mental instability.
Discipline in early life is imperative, as the rebellious nature this aspect brings must be channeled constructively, else an early death thru accidents or impulsive behavior can result, or a life of disruption and chaos can ensue.
With Saturn square the node/Uranus conjunction, the natives life will continually be abruptly changed by circumstances beyond them this aspect is associated with accidents. And in any case the native’s life will change in abrupt steps, either for the good or bad. These changes will occur every 4-5 years, especially in youth.
This aspect is associated with the great reformer, the radical anarchist, the brilliant scientist or all seeing occultist.

Neptune is the only symbol that as no physical correspondent. It is symbolic of the plane of archetypes., the primordial thoughts and ideas that give rise to reality. It is the content of dreams, visions and illusion .it is the impulse of morality , the awareness of the sacredness of life, or the abuse of life.
On the psychological plane It is creativity and beliefs .it gives the power of transcendent sight, though afflicted it bring delusion, self destruction and malice.depending on the aspects the node with Neptune can give artistic abilities and as a pervasive psychic influence it can give the ability to influence other’s preference hence it is excellent for marketing and sales.
With he nodal axis , it brings connection to the spirit planes and influences both divine and decadent. here visions become real and malicious intent can become all consuming. with the south node particularly,

drugs and alcohol can dominate the consciousness, though the powers of natural healing substances also have great strength with this placement. Altered consciousness and waking visions can confuse the naïve. He native is open to interactions with the higher planes .it can bring cosmic consciousness or the most malevolent intrusion of selfish and evil spirits. with Saturn square to neptune, the native often has terrifying dreams and nightmares.
Neptune with the nodal axis bring psychic abilities and allows the native to be influenced or influence other from the astral plane.
The nodal axis can serves as the pathway that malicious adepts use to control and enslave. Everyone has a connection to the astral plane as it is the pathway that the soul uses to pass through incarnations. yet the astral plane is also the path that souls in the body use to influence and communicate with each other. The attitudes one has in the waking state are the same that one has on the astral plane. hence the selfish, deceiving and manipulative adepts on earth can use these pathways to further their plots of domination on the astral.
As Neptune is the symbol of spiritual viewpoints and attitudes, with the node can give the impulses of saints or the schemes of the religious extremist.
Occult forces have from time immemorial controlled the face of civilization. The “enlightenment “ ,from the 16century on, has been a ruse to conceal the magical machination of society. As your conscious mind and personality are reflections of your immortal soul, the “enlightenment” has served to erase these magical dynamics from the personality of “modern” men and women. If one cannot conceptualize the power of the astral plane, then one can not consciously use these abilities. Nor can one see these occult forces manipulating society.

pluto
Pluto with the nodal axis (and orcus to a similar degree), on the psychological plane gives great selfishness. but it is also an aspect of a “survivor”, an individual who will employ any means necessary to survive. But the selfishness so colors the personality that usually this placement ends up causing the native to “shoot” themselves in the foot.
This placement also shows that past life influences are directly affecting the native. This gives great power to an enlightened native as past lives can give ability and insights far broader than could be gained from a single lifetime of experiences .it gives healing powers but most often the natïve faces sudden and major disease that force the healing energies to manifest . with sextiles to Neptune strong psychic healing powers are present. in the unenlightened, it gives malicious joy in death and brutality . the psychic power is strong and the native spontaneously travels on the astral. But if they have a crude personality, they only cause themselves problems because the can gain enemies because of their selfishness presence in other’s dreams. Often this placement gives prophetic dreams but usually involving the occurrence of death of those around them.
With venus square Pluto in a man’s chart, often girl friends will die early in his life. In a woman’s chart, usually a sister or friend is lost early in her life.
Probably no other nodal conjunction has so much promise for good or such a potential for evil.
This is because the desire body spontaneously travels on the astral and base desires try to influence others. This is usually an unconsciously experience but the affects can never the less bring repercussions in to reality
The sexual nature is very strong but the capacity for love is often absent in the unenlightened. Usually love can only manifest in its higher form as a love of god or of humanity in a general sense as the carnal passions are difficult to control on the personal level, as this placemen is prone to domineering and controlling, abusive emotional interactions.
Chiron
Chiron with the nodal axis I quite powerful. The full potential of chiron is not addressed In modern astrological texts.emphasis is place on the “wounded healer” concept which , it is true is major psychological dynamic. But overlooked in the myth is that chiron was taught all manner of arts ,medicine, and astrology by Apollo.
Chirons orbit reaches from just inside Saturn to nearly the orbit of Uranus. Saturn is the Adept with his rings being the doors to the occult realities. Uranus is the pathway all knowledge, occult and deductive. Uranus and Saturn form one of the most powerful dialectics in astrology and Chiron is the key to the resolution of these mysteries.
Chiron with the node brings access and application of the occult principles to reality. It gives great intelligence ,psychic awareness and insights to the real dynamics of the material plane. With the nodal access, there is an interest in secret or ritual societies as well as control of the powers that rule society and reality .often mason,kiwanis,moose lodge or cabbalist etc. can have a strong Chiron.
It is analytical and critical but bound by the absolute laws. Chiron was conjunct the node when the stock market crash of 1929 occurred, showing the manipulations that continue to our day. It is the application of occult principles to control reality. As the go between of Saturn and Uranus, Chiron gravitates to knowing the unknowable. And hence often is associated with applied magic.
Psychologically it give an analytical frame of mind that expects coherence of thoughts and action. But it tolerates no contradiction and will cut the leg from under a charlatan or fool with a few incisive words as Chiron has no tact when truth is not observed . a north note association is marked by intelligence and psychic certainty, with the south node, Chiron seeks to control and accumulate and govern of regulate..
Chiron with the node and Jupiter is often found in covert or governmental /corporate agencies as the use of black magic is endemic in these social structures. With Saturn and the node In hard aspects, Chiron can bring sexual exploitation and incest, though these behaviors can be cloaked by philosophic and moral obfuscation.
Psychologically Chiron gives a eccentric sexual impulse and often same sex relationships have prominent chirons. It tends to increase the sexual potency already present in a chart
Intellectually it gives a analytical mind and can be associated with excellent memory abilities, what arecalled photographic memories.

Just a few musings in general and a bit of reiteration.
The nodal axis works as a main spring for the other planets. it is not a symbol but a process of manifestation . It’s transits bring the force of the planets to bear. So as I see many people on the forum asking question about what the node does to them , or how they can use the node or what affect their depositor has etc. I see that the true nature of the node is still not being comprehended by many. One should not ask others or read books to learn what is happening to them, but one should check the transits to one’s natal planets. Search your own life experiences to understand the node. As I have said before the true nature and value of the node is censored. One is never going to find a published work that give the real functional value of the nodes. About all you will get from published works is philosophy and astro babbble.the nodes are the core of astrology and as with all sciences, the vested interested do not want the true nature revealed.
If one has a question about what a symbol means in their chart, simply look for when the nodal axis transits by conjunction or square to the symbol in question. On will learn more about the node from these observations than any book one could read.


SN on the ascendant, as it is the repository for all the thought forms created during the time from the infinite’s entry into reality via the NN, there is great creativity as the imagination is overwhelmed by the surplus of preexistent thoughts and thought forms. But this is also the problem because the soul in the body has a finite capacity to comprehend the causal nature of reality. And the desire body/ego often tries to make manifestations of the infinite, it’s own creation. so the problem comes when the ego takes all the credit for what are manifestations of the spirit. the SN on the ascendant can therefore “overload” the personality structure and from this the stress and contradictions of spirit can weaken the immune system. the SN on the ascendant is often correlated with mental break downs or mental/problems/confusion as a result. The correct image here is to receive the flow from heaven with open hands, not closed hands. Take that which you can understand and use but let much of the inspiration flow through you. Depending on the personality structure, a insecure personality tries to identify with the flow of energy will try to contain all the energy flowing into their hands(closed hands) and this leads to disaster as no embodied soul can contain the infinite. this leads to mental overload. But if the personality structure realizes the infinite that runs through all reality , then the ego cannot grasp too much nor identify their fragility with the infinite. That is the trial of the SN. one may attempt to assuage one’s insecurity with the feeling of empowerment the node/infinite can bring.

The SN on the ascendant gives strong psychic and telepathic ability but again any the unresolved personality issues can cloud this power. power trips and the need to dominate can bring negative reaction to the psychic abilities. But as you noted, this position is very good for imaginative and creative thoughts.

The NN on the ascendant is a bit easier on the ego because the pure psychic/telepathic abilities are not encumbered by the power over the dense plane. the NN can lead to dense plane power but it is through the application of the awareness the NN brings, The SN gives no slack, you get the psychic power and the reaction from the dense plane to your use of the abilities immediately. And only the most evolved souls are not going to make some initial mistakes.


rahu