Re: About the 5th and 8th house, to Aquarian
Aquarian Essence,
You wrote:
I still think the 8th is the physical act of sex and the 5th is where you learn how to honor sex through love. The failure to learn how to, not only balance the opposite axis, but also integrate the squares harmoniously is where the perversion would come in.
Yes, that statement was inherent in what I was saying, I just didn't spell it out by the houses. The 8th would have to deal with the physical act, because it includes the polarity of the 2nd, which is an Earth house, so it is the merging of both the bodies(2nd) and the souls (8th). The auras blend, and this is how you can pick up negative energy from the other through sex. Of course, I would think you can pick up positive energy as well, and that's why sacred sex is healing. My understanding of the 5th house is that it is the house of the "open heart, that both gives and receives love". In the lower vibrations, the heart is not truly open to giving and receiving, and sex pretty much is ego-based.
If the person "is love" then no contact with another person is casual but has deep significance, so even a one night stand can be embrased by love, maybe not the kind we think of for living together happily ever after but still love and mutual respect.
That thought has occurred to me before. I think it may be possible.... in a perfect world. I read something in one of Sylvia Browne's books on the Other Side(Heaven) that comes to mind. She said that in the Spirit Realm there is no sex as we know it, but they "merge" with others by joining their spirits with another, and that it is very blissful. (no bodies, of course). They were not confined to just one person to merge with either. So, if we are free of impurities and have the goal of just wanting to be One with the other in pure love, then that would be possible. Unfortunately the world does not work that way right now.
Back in the day, there were vestals that saw to mans needs who didn't have a mate and their view was one of joining man with God through the sacred act of sex. That would be labeled casual sex, I guess, but it really wasn't.
I was vaguely aware of the practice, but really don't know anything about it. My jury is out on this one until I find out more information to form an opinion. Thanks for bringing it up!
WilsonTC,
You wrote:
It can help to understand the difference between the 5th and 8th house if we keep in mind their placement relative to the 7th house (relationships). The 5th house is before the 7th house, so the 5th house is about the kind of romantic love we have before we are "serious" and partnering with someone. This "romantic love" includes dating, casual sex, etc. The 8th house is after the 7th house, so the 8th house is about the results that come out of the 7th house partnership. So "sexual love" (making a baby, having married sex, etc.) comes from the 8th house. Ideally we date around until we find the best romantic partner for us (5th house), make some form of commitment to the partnership (7th house), and then form a bond with the partner that includes sex (8th house). However, in the real, non-idea world, some people only want to date and others only want to partner!
Yes, I agree, that
should be the progression, and that is inherent in the example I gave of the fixed signs without perversion. However, the area where it still goes wrong, even if one follows this pattern, (How many times have I heard horror stories from women who said, "But I waited until I got married!!!", and still have awful problems) is this: 7th house/marriage is naturally ruled by Libra. Libra is part of the cardinal fixed cross. Therefore a balance of the four signs needs to be achieved to avoid perversion. For example, Capricorn rules respect for God's natural laws, or the perversion of them, including respect for the Earth and things created. Capricorn also rules the world's system of money, big business, etc. Capricorn also rules "Heaven's Gate".
If there is balance in the Cardinal cross, there is an element of personal mastery, and cooperation with God's natural laws and respect for the earth (including restoration of the Divine Feminine). Then all four elements flow together and cooperate, alleviating the friction of the squares. If you will notice, one of the biggest problems in marriages is money, if even just working for it for survival. (Sadly in many marriages - and singles- the focus is not just on survival, but on acquiring more and more earthly possessions, stockpiling money, etc.--all perversion of Earth signs) This causes focus on obtaining the needs of life, instead of focusing on relationships. In God's economy, your physical needs are provided so that you can focus on relationships, which is what marriage is all about. The polarity of Capricorn is key, in most cases. Capricorn's lower vibration denies, belittles, etc, the emotions of its polarity, Cancer. Cancer's emotions must always be taken into account, as well.
If you are not operating in God's economy, according to natural law, with your focus on being love, Capricorn will always be a hard square on the marriage. If emotions go unhealed, Cancer will always be a hard square on the marriage.
Quoting the words of Jesus, from Matthew Chapter 6, vs. 19-33:
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19 “Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. 20 “But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys, and where thieves do not break in or steal; 21 for where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
22 “The eye is the lamp of the body; so then if your eye is clear, your whole body will be full of light. 23 “But if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light that is in you is darkness, how great is the darkness!
24 “No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and wealth.
The Cure for Anxiety
25 “For this reason I say to you, do not be worried about your life, as to what you will eat or what you will drink; nor for your body, as to what you will put on. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothing? 26 “Look at the birds of the air, that they do not sow, nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not worth much more than they? 27 “And who of you by being worried can add a single hour to his life? 28 “And why are you worried about clothing? Observe how the lilies of the field grow; they do not toil nor do they spin, 29 yet I say to you that not even Solomon in all his glory clothed himself like one of these. 30 “But if God so clothes the grass of the field, which is alive today and tomorrow is thrown into the furnace, will He not much more clothe you? You of little faith! 31 “Do not worry then, saying, ‘What will we eat?’ or ‘What will we drink?’ or ‘What will we wear for clothing?’ 32 “For the Gentiles eagerly seek all these things; for your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things. 33 “But seek first His kingdom and His righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.
[/FONT]Notice there is nothing wrong with enjoying life on Earth, as long as your focus is on the right things.
So, Tim, what you pointed out in the chart is very true, with the critical point being the balance of the Cardinal energies (both partners seeking the Kingdom of God and choosing to follow God's laws) when the marriage is entered into.
Freedomlover