Will Trump become the first US Dictator?

david starling

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Agreed, we can survive. I suppose.


Now, as for Bernie vs Trump? In 2016 the polls said he could have... Not sure what makes 2020 so different from then.



Its only the uneducated people who believe in the "commie" accusation. (imo) More schooled college educated people respect Democratic Socialism from what I read.

If Biden does become the nominee, his victory over Trump just might require Sanders' endorsement. Is Bernie capable of actively urging his supporters to vote for Biden, and not just stay home?

I'm of course hoping that Biden will do the same for Sanders, if he gets the nomination.
 
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Dirius

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Agreed, we can survive. I suppose.

Its only the uneducated people who believe in the "commie" accusation. (imo) More schooled college educated people respect Democratic Socialism from what I read.

Yeah that is a nice strategy. Politicians should do policy based on what the affluent and college-educated gender studies graduate believes is better for the country.

Instead, you should ignore and be condecending to the hard-working blue collar Trump supporter who is affording the tax bill that pays for most of that free stuff berniebro's want to have for free.

Because that would be totally the better idea right? After all, bernie supporters are college educated and thus better according to leomoon.
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... and you wonder why you lost the 2016 election with comments such as this...
 

david starling

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Yeah that is a nice strategy. Politicians should do policy based on what the affluent and college-educated gender studies graduate believes is better for the country.

Instead, you should ignore and be condecending to the hard-working blue collar Trump supporter who is affording the tax bill that pays for most of that free stuff berniebro's want to have for free.

Because that would be totally the better idea right? After all, bernie supporters are college educated and thus better according to leomoon.
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... and you wonder why you lost the 2016 election with comments such as this...

Workers of the World UNITE, and throw off the chains of the effete intellectual class!!! :lol:
 

Dirius

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Workers of the World UNITE, and throw off the chains of the effete intellectual class!!! :lol:

The working class in America is pretty united. Behind Trump, and form most of his base.

Most of the "intellectual class", at least the young college gradutes, support Bernie.

So by your statement Bernie supporters want to keep people in chains.
 

david starling

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Those hard-working, blue-collar employees don't NEED affordable medical coverage, and they don't WANT their kids to be able to afford college!!! :whistling:
 
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david starling

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The working class in America is pretty united. Behind Trump, and form most of his base.

Most of the "intellectual class", at least the young college gradutes, support Bernie.

So by your statement Bernie supporters want to keep people in chains.

It's a Communistic slogan, which you are espousing. :lol:
 

Dirius

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Those blue collar workers support mostly Trump - Those college educted intellectual kids who want free college are bernie supporters.

So by your statement, the bernie supporters want to keep the Trump supporters in chains, so they can live off their taxes.

Seriously david look at the statement you wrote in the post above, and realise who is who. If you were truly a person who defended the working class families of the U.S. you would rally behind Trump. But you are supporting bernie and his intellectuals, so he can keep your fellow citizens in chains.
 

david starling

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Trump never worked a day in in his life. He stiffed the contractors who worked for him, and pays minimum wage to his employees. Trump as the "champion of the working class" is a bad joke.
 

Dirius

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It's a Communistic slogan, which you are espousing. :lol:


I know, and it was an ironic statement back then, as it is now.

The bolshevik revolution's leadership, who carried out numerous massacres on their own people, were "intellectuals". Lenin was actually a college-educated russian, a privilege at the time. Most of his fellow communists were also his college mates. In fact lenin was part of the political aristocracy subservient to the Tsar.

He was by no means "working class".
 

Dirius

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Trump never worked a day in in his life. He stiffed the contractors who worked for him, and pays minimum wage to his employees. Trump as the "champion of the working class" is a bad joke.

But he is the champion of the working class.

Whether you want to admit it or not, blue-collar workers are doing much better under him. Wages are up, unemployment is down, and the economy under him was pretty stable (disregarding events outside of Trump's control such as the coronavirus outbreak).

Most working class citizens are happy with Trump's presidency. And this is just fact, which has been confirmed by multiple surveys, and even acknowledged by democrats and the opposition media. Support for him on working class families has not wavered one bit.
 

david starling

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But he is the champion of the working class.


Whether you want to admit it or not, blue-collar workers are doing much better under him. Wages are up, unemployment is down, and the economy under him was pretty stable (disregarding events outside of Trump's control such as coronavirus).


Most working class citizens are happy with Trump's presidency. And this is just fact, which has been confirmed by multiple surveys, and even awknowledged by democrats and the opposition media.

Obama saved the blue-collar jobs at G.M., and brought factory jobs from Canada into the U.S. Doesn't that make him a "champion of the working-class as well"?
 

Dirius

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people can be happy for delusional reasons

People voted for him because they wanted an improvement.

He delivered the improvement, otherwise they wouldn't be that happy.

No need to be condecending to them just because you dislike the fact that, for better or worse, they do support him.
 

Dirius

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Obama saved the blue-collar jobs at G.M., and brought factory jobs from Canada into the U.S. Doesn't that make him a "champion of the working-class as well"?

If that were true, why didn't blue collar workers voted in mass for the democratic candidate HRC who was a member of the Obama administration then? Given such administration had, according to you, saved their jobs.
 

david starling

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If that were true, why didn't blue collar workers voted in mass for the democratic candidate HRC who was a member of the Obama administration then? Given such administration had, according to you, saved their jobs.

It is true, whether it transferred over to Hillary or not.
 

david starling

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Dirius, MANY blue-collar workers can use affordable health-care assistance, and hope their kids will be able to afford to attend college. Why are you assuming otherwise?
 

Dirius

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It is true, whether it transferred over to Hillary or not.

But it means that clearly, the working class did not see the democratic candidate as their champion.

A succesful and popular presidency usually leads to a "third" term by an ideological succesor.

Ronald Raegan, whether good or bad, had a succesful and popular two-term presidency (with even democrat voters supporting many of his policy). This is why Bush sr. was able to win by a landslide in 1988, leading to a "third" republican term.

But Bush wasn't popular or succesful, and thus why he was defeated after only one term.
 

Dirius

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Dirius, MANY blue-collar workers can use affordable health-care assistance, and hope their kids will be able to afford to attend college. Why are you assuming otherwise?


Because I think they know that state sponsored college and health-care are not free, and establishing such system would also increase their taxes on a massive scale.

Besides most blue collar workers actually have health-care coverage, if they are employed. And because of such a low rate of unemployment, most of them are so far covered.

So in truth, its not on their priority list.
 

david starling

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Because I think they know that state sponsored college and health-care are not free, and establishing such system would also increase their taxes on a massive scale.

Besides most blue collar workers actually have health-care coverage, if they are employed. And because of such a low rate of unemployment, most of them are so far covered.

So in truth, its not on their priority list.

You're sure they don't want their kids to be able to afford to attend college?
 

Dirius

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You're sure they don't want their kids to be able to afford to attend college?


Kids from working class families attend college every single day. The better the economy is doing, the more stuff people can afford. And the more competition the better.

In fact if you remove the federal government involvement from education, prices would go down making college more accesible and affordable by anyone: https://www.businessinsider.com/how-much-cheaper-college-used-to-be-2015-11
 
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