Rectification Tips - Verifying Ascendant/Descendant/MC/IC angles

theV

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Two excellent books that explain much about rectification in intense detail are:

http://www.worldastrology.net/ebooks

http://www.worldastrology.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/CA-III.pdf

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And Henry Coley wrote:

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/clavis.html

http://skyscript.co.uk/pdf/Coley_clavis_astrologiae_elimata.pdf

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Very in depth for the studious!

:biggrin: Thanks. I have read few pages and i liked them. I love traditional views of astrology
 
hi. MY birthtime is not certain but it may approximately true..however I should be objective as much as I can when thinking my chart.

in 31 Dec 2011 at local time around 1:00pm grandfather was passed away..

(Can I use this for myself? more like he who was involved with this event..) however Indirectly We the whole family are so involved with his death.

Also Can I count on my sister or brother's birth time as an event? (I really wonder this for Ages!)


Are these possible ? (If yes, with my other personal events (with exact local time)..
They will hit Number of 4 or 5)

long before I got Jigsaw an extension software of Solar Fire by Astrolabe..
Which is include rectifying algorithm..


I couldn't handle how to use it correctly.
I'm not completely sure what I did with it..

That's why I rather prefer a human touch..

(Anyways I need your opinions for 2 question)
 
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JUPITERASC

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hi. MY birthtime is not certain but it may approximately true..

however I should be objective as much as I can when thinking my chart.

in 31 Dec 2011 at local time around 1:00pm grandfather was passed away..

(Can I use this for myself? more like he who was involved with this event..)
however Indirectly We the whole family are so involved with his death.

Also Can I count on my sister or brother's birth time as an event? (I really wonder this for Ages!)


Are these possible ? (If yes, with my other personal events (with exact local time)..
They will hit Number of 4 or 5)

long before I got Jigsaw an extension software of Solar Fire by Astrolabe..
Which is include rectifying algorithm..


I couldn't handle how to use it correctly.
I'm not completely sure what I did with it..

That's why I rather prefer a human touch..

(Anyways I need your opinions for 2 question)
For rectification list major life events to study :smile:

for example

academic rewards, degree, diplomas, exams passed
operations, hospital admissions of any kind, accidents
relocation to new home, relocation abroad
marriages, divorces
births of own children as well as births of siblings
deaths
starting first job, leaving old job, starting new job
legal issues involving court appearances
anything important

at least ten of these major events are required

 


An example of an ancient/traditional rectification technique is the “Animodar” method of rectification which is explained at this link
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/gl/animodar.html

Animodar is just one rectification technique of which there are many... These are just the basics... Good idea to assess/experiment with each method before drawing any firm conclusions.

Each astrologer has their own ideas as to which method is preferable and IMO fwiw then examine/experiment with all methods to find the method you prefer
:smile:
I tried but I have a question.
How Mc or Asc are always be alongside with that Almuten planet of Lunation?

Do you think it makes sense?

Closest Lunation was a new moon that happened in 9th degree of Cancer..So Jupiter is Almuten planet if I'm not mistaken..Exaltion + Term rulership = 6 pts..Moon is still 5 with only Sign Rulership..

Jupiter the planet also Conjuncts My Moon
In Virgo

I guess I'm Leo Rising for Ages

I think it's not necessity Angles to be alongside with that Almuten planet..
 

JUPITERASC

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I tried but I have a question.
How Mc or Asc are always be alongside with that Almuten planet of Lunation?

Do you think it makes sense?

Closest Lunation was a new moon that happened in 9th degree of Cancer..So Jupiter is Almuten planet if I'm not mistaken..Exaltion + Term rulership = 6 pts..Moon is still 5 with only Sign Rulership..

Jupiter the planet also Conjuncts My Moon
In Virgo

I guess I'm Leo Rising for Ages

I think it's not necessity Angles to be alongside with that Almuten planet..

Physical Appearance is obviously a major factor


so keep in mind the Main Rulerships of 1st House

'....Life, vitality and health.
Stature, colour, complexion, form and shape of body.
Older sources note its influence upon the intellect, the way the mind works, and speech.
In general, the first house represents the focal point for the personality and manner of expression.
As well as describing the physical appearance,
the condition of this house and that of its planetary ruler indicates the level of personal vitality and strength
....' http://www.skyscript.co.uk/temples/h1.html :smile:
 

Physical Appearance is obviously a major factor


so keep in mind the Main Rulerships of 1st House

'....Life, vitality and health.
Stature, colour, complexion, form and shape of body.
Older sources note its influence upon the intellect, the way the mind works, and speech.
In general, the first house represents the focal point for the personality and manner of expression.
As well as describing the physical appearance,
the condition of this house and that of its planetary ruler indicates the level of personal vitality and strength
....' http://www.skyscript.co.uk/temples/h1.html :smile:

Yes Right, these informations are.
Thanks for the responses.
 
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unique_astrology

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Hi HonourAndDevotion,

I just found that you give a birth time exactly on the half hour. I am suspicious of such times as they are rare.

If you have birth information (date, time, and place) for several events (first marriage, first child, or a serious accident give best results as firsts can only be first once in your life and accidents cannot have the same transits as prior or subsequent ones) I will apply my progressed lunar return technique to them.

I have proven the efficacy of the technique many hundreds of times using data for natural catastrophes with proven data for the event and for birth charts of many people using life events.
 
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Hi HonourAndDevotion,

I just found that you give a birth time exactly on the half hour. I am suspicious of such times as they are rare.

If you have birth information (date, time, and place) for several events (first marriage, first child, or a serious accident give best results as firsts can only be first once in your life and accidents cannot have the same transits as prior or subsequent ones) I will apply my progressed lunar return technique to them.

I have proven the efficacy of the technique many hundreds of times using data for natural catastrophes with proven data for the event and for birth charts of many people using life events.

Hi. Yes, found in my old posts maybe
it is 8:30am that Mother told me..

5 July 1992, in Istanbul Turkey other informations..

I thought many times before.
Tried to find out events with exact local time.. now I can say 4 event at least

Maybe it will be 6-7 If I start to think again..If you want to help, I will do my best
 
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JUPITERASC

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Hi. Yes, found in my old posts maybe
it is 8:30am that Mother told me..

5 July 1992, in Istanbul Turkey other informations..

I thought many times before.
Tried to find out events with exact local time.. now I can say 4 event at least

Maybe it will be 6-7 If I start to think again..If you want to help, I will do my best
Keep in mind that rectification is approached differently by different astrologers :smile:

some astrologers use Sidereal
other astrologers use Tropical

and so
it is very important to have clarity
and question each astrologer as to whether that astrologer is using
Sidereal or Tropical
to avoid potential misunderstanding
 

Alice McDermott

Well-known member
Hi. Yes, found in my old posts maybe
it is 8:30am that Mother told me..

5 July 1992, in Istanbul Turkey other informations..

Hi HonourAndDevotion

If you were a full term natural birth and conceived in the same place you were born, the pre-natal epoch system says the most likely time is 8.16.30 am.

You can use births and deaths in the family for rectification. I even use parents birthdates.

I am not surprised you are having problems using Jigsaw, to me it is the most difficult rectification program available. You might like to check out Alphee Lavoie's rectification program; http://www.alphee.com/; I haven't used it myself but have heard it is very good.

Alice
 

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JUPITERASC

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Hi HonourAndDevotion

If you were a full term natural birth and conceived in the same place you were born,
the pre-natal epoch system says the most likely time is 8.16.30 am.

You can use births and deaths in the family for rectification. I even use parents birthdates.

I am not surprised you are having problems using Jigsaw, to me it is the most difficult rectification program available. You might like to check out Alphee Lavoie's rectification program; http://www.alphee.com/; I haven't used it myself but have heard it is very good.

Alice
to check the pre-natal epoch method
detailed instructions
on how to calculate the pre-natal Epoch Rectification Method
may be viewed FOR FREE at
http://www.rosicrucian.com/zineen/pamen034.htm :smile:

all rectification techniques have the purpose of determining/establishing the Ascendant


and clearly

The Ascendant demarcates the time of birth

also, a book titled: THE PRENATAL EPOCH by E H Bailey
is available on amazon
 
Keep in mind that rectification is approached differently by different astrologers :smile:

some astrologers use Sidereal
other astrologers use Tropical

and so
it is very important to have clarity
and question each astrologer as to whether that astrologer is using
Sidereal or Tropical
to avoid potential misunderstanding

I always thought Sidereal for only Vedic system. Anyways I can be attentive :)
 
Hi HonourAndDevotion

If you were a full term natural birth and conceived in the same place you were born, the pre-natal epoch system says the most likely time is 8.16.30 am.

You can use births and deaths in the family for rectification. I even use parents birthdates.

I am not surprised you are having problems using Jigsaw, to me it is the most difficult rectification program available. You might like to check out Alphee Lavoie's rectification program; http://www.alphee.com/; I haven't used it myself but have heard it is very good.

Alice

Yes, I was born naturally.
Epoch system? I learned a new thing
Law 3: (When the Moon at birth is increasing in light and below the horizon,the period of gestation is longer than the norm)

Probably I was born 3 or 4 days lately
It was a hard an painful birth and
at least 4.5 kg was my birth weight..The way I remember by she say.

Let's assume 14 degree is true, distance from the Moon is 34 degrees..
Order 3 says divide it by 13..
34/13=2...

Hmm perhaps I should ask to her again for This was how many days.
Maybe I remember wrong.


Thank you for giving me a different sight Alice.

I knew it must be something like that.
 

dowhanawi

Well-known member
Well if you were born in the us, Canada or other highly intrusive birthing countries "natural" is not the same as vaginal and 80% of hospital births in north America include pitocin and similar interventions with effect length of labour and so time of birth. And medically speaking, the length of a woman's cycle is what determines length of pregnancy, along with height and maternal & natal health. I'd use a different method.
 

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
I always thought Sidereal for only Vedic system.
Anyways I can be attentive :)
Interestingly, a minority of Vedic astrologers use Tropical :smile:
and
a minority of western astrologers use Sidereal
for example our member unique_astrology is a sidereal western astrologer

other western sidereal astrologers include:
KENNETH BOWSER
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shnP8Xef0MA&list=PLOS_1is9pkYAuFmP-r0MMnyz0o97Ljxo7


Sidereal Western astrological interpretation may be found at
SOLUNARS http://www.solunars.com/interp/

and
SOLUNARS has a Western Sidereal Astrology Forum
http://www.solunars.net/

very few western astrologers offer a rectification service
Traditional Western Astrologer MARTIN GANSTEN offers rectification
http://www.martingansten.com/btr.php
 

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
For what it's worth, the Hellenistic astrologers did not make a distinction between increasing and decreasing Moon. Let say Cancer is the Ascendant.

Cancer - 273
Leo - 275 1/2
Virgo - 278
Libra - 280 1/2
Scorpio - 283
Sagittarius - 285 1/2
Capricorn below the horizon - 288
Capricorn above the horizon - 258
Aquarius - 260 1/2
Pisces - 263
Aries - 265 1/2
Taurus - 268
Gemini - 270 1/2

Method on determining seven and eight month births are various, one (by Valens) is taking the Moon at the previous year and the following year and comparing their aspects to the natal Moon, the other (Hephaistio) uses the conception and natal sygyzys. Neither of their methods satisfy me. I think the placement and configurations of the Moon could indicate premature birth
- https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Category:Personal_:_Birth_:_Premature

Hephaistio says that Antigonus rejects all such methods, which is quite curious.
thankyou for this useful information - I add it now to our ongoing discussion :smile:
for anyone interested the above comment is originally posted
at
https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?p=877545&posted=1#post877545
during a discussion of an experimental rectification using prenatal epoch
 

Zaphod

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In my opinion, rectification is invariably a "SWAG" ("Scientific Wild-*** Guess," a phrase I first saw used by nuclear engineers to describe their design methodology). That said, I used what was basically the method described in the original post to attempt rectification of my parents' birth charts, coming up with something that was "within the realm of reason." I won't go into the details, but in my mother's case, transiting Saturn sitting almost exactly on her Ascendant at the time of her death, and in my father's case, transiting Sun and Venus directly on his Midheaven at the time of his second marriage (both times accurately recorded) looked like signature events. Not enough by itself to take to the bank, but a good start.
 
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