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Re: Chris Brennan: the katarche of horary

Hi Aria Venue,

Some people just can't seem to get it right. It would probably help to have an understanding of the world at that time. When there is chaos, knowledge often doesn't get transmitted properly and worse it gets corrupted when it gets transmitted.

The first civilization in Mesopotamia was Sumer. The Sumerians probably came south from Armenia. They were up and running by 5,000 BCE and they practiced astrology. They used The Akkadians had sprung up by 3,500 BCE and what the Sumerians called the Akkadians called zittu.

We call them the dodektemoria or 12th Parts.

On the advice of his astrologers, Sargon of Akkad invaded and conquered Sumer in 2334 BCE. I'm willing to bet his astrologers used or zittu o the dodektemoria or 12th parts, whatever you want to call them.

And that would very obviously have been a consultation chart, or what we would today call an electional or horary chart.

After Sargon, the Gutians came. They were, well, barbarians by any reasonable standard. Their reign was virtually identical to the period in Roman history known as the "barracks emperors" when practically every time you sneezed you had a new emperor.

The Sumerians rallied and overthrew the Gutians in 2150 BCE. Unfortunately, it was short-lived, because whatever caused the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah also caused the destruction of Sumer. Not physical destruction, but something else which caused the people to flee. It would be almost 3,000 years, about 900 CE when Arab tribes started inhabiting the area. Sumer was already buried when Alexander the Great came through in 333 BCE.

Akkad survived, but was overthrown by the Amorites in 1830 BCE. "Scholars" erroneously misidentified them as "Babylonians" and it stuck. The Amorites were a distinct people. They got overthrown by the Khushites in 1530 BCE and then the real actual Babylonians gained power in 1125 BCE.

The real Babylonians were a cosmopolitan group of Akkadians, Amorites, Mari and others. They lasted until the Assyrians came in 729 BCE.

Another group I prefer to call Chaldeans took over in 612 BCE and then Cyrus the Mede came in 539 BCE.

Most of the knowledge the Greeks got came from the Chaldeans (Babylonians).

Since the Chaldeans were using the dodektemoria and since it starts at 13 degrees Aries, that means the origin point is 0 degrees Aries which is proof the Chaldeans (Babylonians) were using the tropical zodiac and not a sidereal zodiac.

Are you familiar with the Dead Sea Scrolls?

We have confirmation from scroll 4Q318.

Where did the Hebrews get the zodiac? Same place they got their calendar: Chaldea/Babylon back in the 6th Century BCE.

You can also see it in 4Q332 and 4Q332A.

Yes, they used 12th Parts. Abraham Sachs refers to it as the "micro-zodiac."

As Michael Wise explains:

The Qumran zodiology tells us in which zodiac sign the moon is situated on most given Hebrew dates in most years. For example, November 1, 2007 (the date this presentation was given in Birmingham), corresponds to Marchesvan 20, in an intercalary year in the Jewish calendar. According to 4Q318, the moon’s position in the zodiac on Marchesvan (Heshvan) 19, 20 and 21, is in Leo (see fig. 1). In a modern ephemeris, based on the zodiac which was fixed by Ptolemy almost 2,000 years ago, (which does not take precession into account), the moon entered Leo on November 1, 2007.

If you're wondering why 13 degrees, that's because it takes 13 degrees for Moon to elongate from Sun and become visible as a crescent.

How the Greeks acquired their knowledge in all that chaos is unknown. We do know a Greek named Berossus lived in Chaldea and translated some texts. None of his texts survived, but he's quoted by at least six other texts that I know about. Berossus was a historian and astronomer/astrologer. He might be the source of at least some astrological information, but I don't know and most of his quoted works deal with history and not astronomy/astrology.

Anyway, in a natal chart, Sun is key, but in divination charts, which are for consultation, election or horary, whatever you want to call it, Moon is the key.
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