Nibiru

you have to wonder how the dinosaurs became extint too.......

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A meteorite crashed near the Yucatan Peninsula...

The Quran holds about as much of an argument over the existance of Nibiru as Zecharia Stichin's translations of cuneform tablets and his whole crazy theory of gold-digging, life-form manipulating aliens. I mean, I realize that's what you believe, and I respect that as much as I respect anyone else's belief system, but it's a weak argument to the unfaithful.

It's 'cuneiform'.

Thank you.

I no can spellz. :-S

Well, AG and the others, I am completely in agreement with you all. I think that we are told this sort of thing because, as we all know, we are never happier than when we have something to be scared off.

I think it is all a lot of bullsxxx........if you really want to be scared, just look at the things which are happening in the world at the present time and which we all know are real, never mind looking to the sky for fantasies.

May I be the first one to wish everyone in this room a

Very Happy 2013 New Year.....after the Happy Christmas 2012 wished by another member.:60:


Ho ho ho ho ho

Its looking at whats happening now, that shows that we have something very scary to be looking forward to....... do you not think that mother nature and the universe has a plan to protect itself? If you dont, then my guess is that you are filling your day with diversion. sorry.

I personally don't quit believe the whole Nibiru thing, or that the end of the world is in 2012 but rather that this is an end of sorts, but more of an evolution, an end to tradition and a beginning of something new. But then again I never count anything out, there's a possibility. I just hope it doesn't happen because the Aquarian Age is definitley something to look forward to for mankind.

I'll attach a link to some relevant subjects, from my spiritual mentor's website, for your perusal. Food for thought...

AG
http://thepowerpath.com/what-is-new/shamanic-q-a-3.html

I've read alot about the Age of Awakening from different websites, very interesting and believable stuff. I will definitely check it out, thanks for the link

archergirl said:

I'm a little bit sceptical myself; if something the size of Jupiter was headed our way we'd know by now. Hubble, Voyager, and the other galactic explorers would have seen something already, and believe me, they wouldn't be able to keep it quiet.

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That's faulty logic.

Hubble has a minimum focal point, and that means it can't even see the local solar systems near us (there are 1,500 G-Class star systems within 50 light years of Earth -- Our Sun is a G-Class star so we know G-Class stars have the capability to both have planets and support life).

How many solar systems other than G-Class systems are within 50 light years? I have no idea. I just know Hubble cannot see them because it is "farsighted."

Another part of the equation is the "fixed mindset." Getting people to think unconventionally is almost impossible, and still another part of that mindset is people who allow their religious beliefs to interfere with their interpretation of the data. It isn't just Christians, as Sitchin does it too (he's a Jew).

Everyone is looking on the Plane of the Ecliptic. I worked in Berlin off and on during the 1980s, and I was at the museum and saw the tablets and artifacts that clearly depict 12 planets (about 10 years before I'd ever heard of Sitchin or read his books). I was also at the British Museum at St Pancras/King's Cross and read the translated tablets that Sitchin references his works, plus I've referenced the Jounral of the Ancient Near East and other works he's cited.

Nirbiru is quite cleary not on the Plane of the Ecliptic. It's at least 30 degrees below it until it reaches the Asteroid Belt. It's relationship to the Plane of the Ecliptic is very much like Pluto's, only more exaggerated.

So here we have a case of people looking for Nibiru exactly where it shouldn't be and then claiming they can't find it. Well of course they can't find it. They aren't looking in the right place.

On top of that, we have another conflicting mindset, and that is that planets must have a circular obirt. Clearly from the artificacts as well as the written descriptions, the orbit of Nirbiru is an elongated elipsoid.

The way you find thing is by photographing the same section of sky over and over every night for 3 to 6 months. If something is out there, it will eventually move in front of a star, "eclipsing" it and blocking out it's light temporarily. And from that, and subsequent "eclipses" of stars you can judge its speed. But if Nibiru's orbit is an elongated elipsoid as stated, then you'd have to photograph the same section of sky for 15 to 30 years. Why? Because it's basically coming straight at you. It could be 40 years before it moves in front of a star (or galaxy) and eclipses it, and it might take 50 years to complete the eclipse. You can test that by going out in the night and holding a coin up against the sky and moving it from right to left across your face. You'll see it blot out stars. Now hold it stationary to simulate Nibiru coming straight at Earth. See the difference?

And observatories are always in use, and they're very expensive and you have to book your time years in advance. Who's going to pay to book one for 20 or 30 years?

That's why no one has found it, and why no one will for another 100 years or so. No one's looking, and of the few who have, only one has actually looked in the most likely place, but they didn't spend enough time looking.

archergirl said:

Perhaps Nibiru is more of a metaphor.

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Not likely. Read "Adama My Son." It has the Zulu myths, including Nibiru. So do the Doga. The Cosmic Egg is probably a distant memory of the truth. Look at the Hopewell Indians' Serpent Mound in Ohio. A giant serpent swallowing an egg. Or is it the Band of the Milky Way and the orbit of Nibiru? Every ancient culture has a "red star" that appears regularly every so many thousand Moons.

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2012 of course co-incides with the end of the Mayan calendar and so people imagine that some freakish hell will descend on earth at this time.

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That isn't true at all.

There are so many errors and omissions of truth regarding the Mayan thing it isn't even funny. They Mayans never invented the calendar. They inherited it. Every Meso-American culture that existed before them used calendar rounds.

Each calendar round represents an "Age." Thus far, there have been 4 Ages and we are in the 5th Age.

The fear-mongerers won't tell you that the last glyph is the Frog Glyph. The Frog Glyph symbolizes birth. How do we know? Every Mayan ruler had a Frog Glyph to represent their date of birth, and the Frog Glyph was used with the date of their ascension to the throne. The Frog Glyph was never used for their death.

So, 2012 is just the end of the 5th Age and nothing more. If the Mayans were still around doing the Mayan thing, they'd already have set up a calendar round for the 6th Age, but they ain't around.

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'Nibiru' means 'the crossing place'; and I imagine that this might have something to do with the paradigm shift now taking place on Earth

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Sitchin lied.

He recounts a story in Genesis about how the Sun didn't set for about a day. I've spent hours at Hebrew Union Univiersity (I can walk there in 6 minutes) discussing this. Logically if the Sun didn't set in the Sinai desert then it didn't rise on the opposite side of the planet, or Meso-America. The university has a copy of Montesinos' work. I checked the math and Sitchin is right. The date of the event was 1394 BCE.

How did he lie? He claimed a large comet passed near Earth and retarded the axial rotation. Anyone with high school physics should be able to do the math and figure out that the comet would have to have a mass about equal to Uranus. That ain't possible, not to mention the dust, debris and gases would have killed everything on Earth as it passed by.

But get this. If it was a large planet, like Nibiru, then add Nibiru's orbit of 3,600 years 1394 BCE and you get 2206 CE.

Now take the start date for the Nippurian Calendar, that the Hebrews adopted as their own and now call the Jewish Calendar, which is 3764 BCE and add the lenght of the Nippurian/Jewish Calendar which is 6,000 years and you get 2236 BCE.

2206 CE and 2236 BCE. Those dates are way too close to be coincidence. In fact the difference can be accounted for by graviational anomalies that affect the speed of Nibiru as it enters and leaves the Solar System so that it's real orbital period is 3,600 years +/- 30 to 60 years.

I think Sitchin knows that but lied anyway because he didn't want anyone to know.

If it was Nibiru, then it's magnetosphere would push small asteroids out of the Asteroid Belt and its gravity would pull others out and as it passed by Earth, some would get caught by Earth's gravitational pull and as they entered the atmosphere and heated up due to friction from the atmosphere, they would have exploded sended shards of rocks the size of grains of sand on up to maybe as big as a dog house down on people. So it wouldn't have been brimstone and hellfire raining down on the people the Hebrews were fighting, it would have been pieces of fragmented meteors.

My best guestimate would be that it's moving at about 51 km/second (slower than planets) coming out of the southwest in a clockwise movement about 30 50 degrees below the Plane of the Ecliptic and that it will pick up speed because of acceleration due to gravity as it approaches the Sun, eventually moving at 75 km/second or faster and will be on the edge of our Solar System and detectable in about 100 to 120 years

Well you sound that you have alot of education on the matter... I had read that Nibiru was discovered in 1983 by Nasa when studying Plutos moon Charon. That it is orbiting around the sun and that it will make its way into our solar system and not actually hit earth but passing it and causing Earth to retrograde for 72 hours, which in turn will cause our planet to reshape itself, not as a polarity shift but similar affects of one. Now, I am not a scientist as you can already read or even an astrologer, I have just recently taken interest and I am looking for imput. If this is real, is it causing global warming? And, you say it is detectable in 100 to 120 years at the edge of our solar system, will anyone survive? I read that maybe 1/3 of the Earths population will survive.

Each calendar round represents an "Age." Thus far, there have been 4 Ages and we are in the 5th Age.

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This isn't much different from the Navajo people, who believe we are now in the 5th world, too. I didn't say 'the end of the world'. I said 'the end of the calendar', which meant the end of the descriptions of the glyphs. The Mayans had their own 'end of the world' to deal with.

I hate to sound like a raving sceptic, but I think that people will believe what they want to believe. There are a lot of hysterical people in the world, especially nowdays, troubled by the fragmentation of society and the loss of meaning in life...they will find something or some way to turn this metaphor into some physical reality. For the Pentecostals, it's Armageddon and the coming of the Four Horsemen; for the New Agers it's Nibiru: a wacked out planet that our trillion-dollar space observation programmes have somehow missed. It's the same chicken with different feathers. Anything to rationalise their sense of fright and instability in a world gone mad. What a delicious fear: a planet slowly creeping up on us, "predicted" by various peoples over time (although these same descriptions could *also* be metaphors for other things, too), that will suddenly appear in four years and destroy 2/3 of the population! Oh, joy.

I still firmly believe that it's a metaphor. The problem with the study of much of ancient civilization and its literature is that it is commonly viewed through modern lenses, with modern associations and interpreted through our own very cloudy worldview. There is a kind of ironic running joke in archaeology, for example, that anything new that is discovered is automatically given a 'ritual' significance if the archaeologists can't think of any other use for the object...simply because we can't interpret the past without some association to the present. The past's worldview is gone.

Me, I prefer to drink coffee and watch Mrs. Blackbird searching for worms in the lawn. Life is too short and arbitrary to fill one's mind with impending catastrophe. If there IS a planet the size of Jupiter heading our way, what in Sam Hill are we supposed to do about it? Live in terror as we watch the shadow fall? Or simply enjoy life in the meantime?

I pick my personal daemons very carefully.

AG

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This is allegedly the infared satellite photo taken by NASA of the "Nibiru" planet.

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And here is what the article says that I copied and pasted it from,

If there is no evidence supporting Planet X, it must be a conspiracy
If it can be this easy to cast the fundamental "scientific" theory behind Planet X into doubt, I see little point in discussing the historical reasons (mass extinctions, volcanic activity, earthquakes etc.) as to why the doomsayers believe Planet X should exist. If there is no renegade planet out there of significant mass, how can Nibiru be a threat to us in 2012?
They will have us believe there is a global conspiracy of international governments hiding the facts from us. NASA is involved in the cover-up, hence the lack of evidence. In my opinion, simply because there is no evidence, doesn't mean there is a conspiracy to hide the truth from the public. So why would governments want to hide a "discovery" as historic as a doomsday planet approaching the inner Solar System anyway? To avoid mass panic and pursue their own, greedy agendas (obviously).
As it turns out, this is the only strength behind the Planet X myth. When confronted with scientific facts, the Planet X advocates reply with "…governments are sending out disinformation and covering up the true observations of Nibiru." Although I enjoy a good conspiracy theory, I will not support anything in the name of Planet X. If the basic science behind what we are led to believe are the foundation of Planet X existing is wrong, it seems a poor argument to say "the government did it".
Therefore, the story that Planet X will arrive in 2012 is, in my view, total bunkum (but it helps to sell doomsday books and DVDs by scaring people). Nibiru will remain in the realms of Sumerian myth.

Source http://www.universetoday.com/2008/05/25/2012-no-planet-x/

galacticgirl said:

I had read that Nibiru was discovered in 1983 by Nasa when studying Plutos moon Charon.

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You mean like Santorini is Atlantis? That's what scholars say. "Santorini fits Plato's description." Really?

Santorini is an island-continent? Then how come the neither the Greeks nor the Egyptians ever referred to Corsica, Elba, Sicily, Crete, Cyrpus or half a dozen other islands as "island-continents" when those islands were 5x bigger than Santorini ever hoped to be?

Where's the evidence of a citadel/fortress on a hill?

Where's the evidence of the inter-locking canals and roads?

Where's the evidence of harbors with masked entrances to the sea?

Santorini is "beyond the Pillar of Hercules (the Rock of Gibraltar)? Really? Um, okay.

That really meets Plato's description alright.

It's the same with this thing here. Does it have an ellipsoidal orbit? No. Does it move clockwise? No. Is it below the Plane of the Ecliptic? No. Is it red in color? No. Well, then it doesn't meet the description of Nibiru. They found something to be sure, but not Nibiru.

That's typical of mainstream academia. They fear anything that doesn't fit the currently accepted paradigm. If you want to see university professors turn white as a sheet and shake and tremble with fear, just mention Maulden Island.

It's a little speck out the middle of nowhere in the Pacific Ocean, maybe 1 to 3 miles in diameter. It has basalt roads criss-crossing it and leading right up the water's edge. That's nice, except Maulden Island isn't volcanic.

So, did basalt rock float 1,200 miles across the Pacific and neatly stack itself into roads? I don't think so.

It gets better. The island is dotted with granite block temples. The nearest source of granite is 3,000 miles away. So, who was transporting 1, 2 and 5 ton granite blocks across 3,000 miles of ocean (and why -- why Maulden Island)?

It gets better still. Of all the suspects (peoples/tribes) living on the Pacifc
Rim, none know how to work granite.

In Roratonga there's a city, actually metropolis would be a better word, that's submerged mostly but a few buildings are partially submerged. It would have housed about 1 Million people. No one has a clue who built it. The natives nearby won't go there. They say it's haunted.

I'll only mention that because "scholars" are always so quick to point out that Plato says "Atlantis sank" and we all know that islands cannot sink.

Except Plato never said that. The Greek word is "innundated." Atlantis didn't sink, it was flooded. Solon says the Priest at Sais told him about 10,000 years ago which would have put it around 10,500 BCE to 11,000 BCE, right when we know for a fact that the Earth's average temperature rose 7° in 57 years and the sea levels rose 400 to 800 feet (depending on the source you cite).

If the sea levels rose 400 to 800 feet, you think maybe a few islands in the Pacific and Atlantic Oceans "sank," you know, were innundated, totally flooded? I think it would be fair to say a few did.

Here's the proof:



That's what the Gulf of Mexico, Florida, Cuba and the Bahamas would look like if you dropped the sea level 400 feet.



Recognize that? That's the Canary Islands. Actually, Canary Island (singular) if you drop the sea level 400 feet.


Some things are taboo. Scholars fear the truth, whatever that is, and it isn't garden-variety fear, it's deathly fear. The past they tell us about is nothing like what actually happened.

galacticgirl said:

If this is real, is it causing global warming?

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I doubt it. The evidence now suggests we're in a Maunder Minimum and if true, that would be most unfortunate.

During the last Maunder Minimum people starved to death. It appears that it might have been aggravated by volcanic eruptions, but still, can you imagine if the US could not grow winter wheat above latitude 40?

A growing season of 6 to 8 weeks for New England, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Montana, Wyoming, North and South Dakota, and half of Ohio, Indiana and Illinois?

galacticgirl said:

And, you say it is detectable in 100 to 120 years at the edge of our solar system, will anyone survive? I read that maybe 1/3 of the Earths population will survive.

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Sure, people survived for several million years at least. I used to see Madeline Briskine over at University of Cincinnati all the time. Her studies show that the Earth undergoes a serious cataclysmic event every 435,000 years on average. Figure 432,000 years is 120 orbits of Nirbiru.

120 years. Seen that number somewhere before? Sure you have. Think about it.

To answer your question truthfully, no, probably no one will survive.

If you want to do serious research, you need a serious bible, one that has the ancient Hebrew, westernized Hebrew and English together line by line. The KJV is totally useless and so are all others. I bought mine at the Heberw Union University a few blocks across the way. I go there a lot because they have an interesting lecture series and you get to talk shop with the rabbis. So, yes, Nephilim is plural and it does mean "those who from heaven came to Earth" or " those who were cast upon Earth" depending on the particle proceeding it and the context of usage, and you'll see the word Nephilim in westernized Hebrew, along with nahash (serpent/snake) and in the prophetic books the phrases for "the Day of the Lord" and "the Lord of Hosts." You'll recognize that those words are Akkaddian/Shumerian words that the Hebrews borrowed (after all Abraham/Abrahm was an Akkaddian from the city of Nibri).

Now when you're reading the prophecies, everything makes sense. When Ezekiel or Isaiah say "On the Day of the Lord" = On the Day Nirbiu returns to that point in the Asteroid Belt = "the Earth will reel to and fro like a drunkard."

And that's the good news. The bad news is after reeling to and fro the Earth is turned upside down and kicked out of its orbit killing everyone.

So, you have a Nippurian/Hebrew/Jewish calendar that ends in 6,000 years, the end of the 6,000 years is around 2236 CE, and you have Nibiru last here in 1394 BCE, and returning in 2206 CE or so and then you have old testament prophecies predicting how the Earth will be destroyed.

See how everything dovetails so nicely together?

I like that photo, but then I like Space and the Stars and Planets.

galacticgirl said:

If there is no evidence supporting Planet X, it must be a conspiracy
If it can be this easy to cast the fundamental "scientific" theory behind Planet X into doubt, I see little point in discussing the historical reasons (mass extinctions, volcanic activity, earthquakes etc.) as to why the doomsayers believe Planet X should exist. If there is no renegade planet out there of significant mass, how can Nibiru be a threat to us in 2012?

They will have us believe there is a global conspiracy of international governments hiding the facts from us. NASA is involved in the cover-up, hence the lack of evidence. In my opinion, simply because there is no evidence, doesn't mean there is a conspiracy to hide the truth from the public. So why would governments want to hide a "discovery" as historic as a doomsday planet approaching the inner Solar System anyway? To avoid mass panic and pursue their own, greedy agendas (obviously).
As it turns out, this is the only strength behind the Planet X myth. When confronted with scientific facts, the Planet X advocates reply with "…governments are sending out disinformation and covering up the true observations of Nibiru." Although I enjoy a good conspiracy theory, I will not support anything in the name of Planet X. If the basic science behind what we are led to believe are the foundation of Planet X existing is wrong, it seems a poor argument to say "the government did it".
Therefore, the story that Planet X will arrive in 2012 is, in my view, total bunkum (but it helps to sell doomsday books and DVDs by scaring people). Nibiru will remain in the realms of Sumerian myth.

Source http://www.universetoday.com/2008/05/25/2012-no-planet-x/

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Well, I understand. There's a lot of unethical people who prey upon the ignorance and fears of others and they do so for money and notoriety (I won't mention any names).

The sad thing is that 2012 will come and go with nothing happening and these people, like the idiot who now claims to be Votan incarnate, will continue to have their followers.

I'm sorry, to those of you who believe in it, but it takes a blatant disregard for junior-high-school tried and true proven science to think anything like Nibiru has ever passed through our Solar System, even once... let alone returning every 3600 years.

http://matthewastrology.blogspot.com/2008/08/december-21-2012-day-world-wont-end.html

I'm as big a fan of a good conspiracy theory as the next guy. But to believe in Nibiru is to believe that the government can not just hide evidence. They'd also have to control GRAVITY.

*snort*

I almost didn't recognise John Lydon, he's so young there.

And he STILL wears his hair that way.

Thank you for your blog, MTA...it's nice to see some sensible people.

AG

Bob, the Canary islands are not in that picture.
The picture cuts just above them.
I enjoyed your posts though. Interesting reading!

Steeler said:

Bob, the Canary islands are not in that picture.
The picture cuts just above them.
I enjoyed your posts though. Interesting reading!

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The Azores. How daft of me. Thanks for pointing out that I'm a geography clod. That's embarrassing because I love geography and I'm (usually) very good at it. Too bad it isn't taught in school anymore. You can learn so much from it, especially why the world is the way it is.

Matthew The Astrologer said:

I'm sorry, to those of you who believe in it, but it takes a blatant disregard for junior-high-school tried and true proven science to think anything like Nibiru has ever passed through our Solar System, even once... let alone returning every 3600 years.

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Like I said, I'd be happy to refute each of Heiser's "points" one by one. He has a real personal issue with Sitchin.

But, I'd be even happier if you would explain to everyone why Heiser chooses to ignore the most powerful and compelling argument that Sitchin makes?

Do you know what I'm talking about? I'm talking about the "Day the Earth Stood Still" (no pun intended).

Circa 1395 BCE the Hebrews are fighting several other tribal groups for control of the land and the Sun does not set when it's supposed and during the battle, hellfire and brimstone comes out of the sky and kills a lot of the enemy.

That claim is easy to prove or disprove. If the Sun did not set one day in the Middle East, then that means that the Sun did not rise when it was supposed to rise one day on the opposite side of the planet.

The opposite side of the planet is the Americas.

Are there any stories by any groups in the Americas that claim the Sun did not rise when it was supposed to rise?

Yes.

That's a Paiute "myth." Other North American tribes have myths about Mockingbird and Rooster and the Sun not rising. It's also the myth of the Incas and others in South America.

According to "scholars" (snicker) those groups never had contact with any group in the Middle East (or elsewhere), yet it's the strangest of things that the Hebrews would have a story corroborated by people on the other side of the planet with whom they allegedly never had any contact.

Most of the American stories are useless, because there's no time frame to reference, but the Inca story can be pinpointed to a certain time during the reign of a certain king and according to Montessinos, that king reigned circa 1395 BCE and corroborates the claims of the Hebrews.

I guess Heiser's problem is that Monetessinos' book is in Spanish and my university has a copy of it.

Why does the Sun rise and set? Because Earth rotates in a counter-clockwise direction every 24 hours.

What would cause the Sun not to set on one side of the planet and not to rise on the other side of the planet? The Earth's axial rotation would have to retard.

What would cause the Earth's axial rotation to retard? A very large mass moving parallel to Earth and in a clock-wise orbit/direction.

Sitchin says it was a comet, but he's wrong. It would take a mass about 4 times the size of the Earth to do that, and there is no comet in our Solar System that large.

The other problem is the gases. Once a comet crosses the Asteroid Belt, it is close enough for the Sun's energy to liberate its frozen gases (now you know why comets don't have "tails' until after they cross the Asteroid Belt).

The gases on a comet are sometimes frozen water ice, but usually includes methane ice, helium ice, hydrogen ice, nitrogen ice, ammonia ice, neon ice and so on. A comet's halo would have displaced the air on Earth and killed everything (except for fishes and non-mammilian sea creatures).

Comets also move at 51 km/sec. That's way too slow. This thing was moving faster, about 75 km/sec, like a planet.

Set up a spread sheet and you can change the variables quickly. Figure about 4x the mass of Earth moving at 75 km/sec about 1/3 to 1/2 the distance between Earth and Mars would retard the axial rotation for about 8-10 hours, just like everybody says.

The "hellfire and brimstone" were meteors that got pulled out of the Asteroid Belt by the rogue planet's gravitational pull. They were in tow, got caught in Earth's gravity well, and ended up landing in the Middle East.

Figure an iron meteor the size of car would fracture due to heat friction from the atmosphere at about 10,000 to 20,000 feet and cast fragments and shards all over the surface below. It would be like a huge bomb exploding.

Whatever this thing was, it wasn't a comet, and if it was a planet, it's part of our Solar System. Nothing can travel between Mars and the Earth without going around the Sun, and whatever goes around the Sun is a permanent part of our Solar System.

Matthew The Astrologer said:

I'm as big a fan of a good conspiracy theory as the next guy. But to believe in Nibiru is to believe that the government can not just hide evidence. They'd also have to control GRAVITY.

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That's where you're wrong. Maybe you should study the origin of the Gravitaional Constant. It's a fudge factor. We cannot account for everything that exerts a gravitational force because we can't see it or because we don't know it exists, or because to measure and account for it would be a Royal Pain in the ****. So we roll all that stuff up into a neat little thing, like a Constant, and fudge it.

I'd also remind you we use Vector Math for force and gravity is a force. Nibiru is below the Plane of the Ecliptic, like Pluto, and its Force of Gravity is not the same as if it would be on the Plane of the Ecliptic at the same distance.

Bob, are the anunaki still in nibiru?