911 was an inside job and so was...

Phoenix Venus

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here are a couple interesting articles regarding the connections between our elite & the muslim brotherhood:


history of the muslim brotherhood penetration of of the US government:


http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3672/muslim-brotherhood-us-government


Given the long history of Muslim Brotherhood activity in this country, its declared objective to "destroy the Western civilization from within," and the extensive evidence of successful influence operations at the highest levels of the U.S. government, it is urgent that we recognize this clear and present danger that threatens not only our Republic but the values of Western civilization.


The upheavals of 2011-2012 across the Middle East and North Africa swept aside secular rulers and the established political order with startling speed-..... Energized as Islam may be at this time, however, without the active involvement of the United States to help arm[1], fund[2], support[3], and train[4] the region's Islamic rebels, it is questionable whether they could have gotten this far, this fast.

How the CIA helped the muslim brotherhood infiltrate the west:

http://www.newenglishreview.org/Jerry_Gordon/How_the_CIA_Helped_The_Muslim_Brotherhood_Infiltrate_the_West/
 
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JUPITERASC

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WITNESSES from the 82nd floor talk about making their way down WTC 2 building to exit after the plane hit. Once they reach the 4th floor they experience a big explosion from the lobby: "Next thing we know we had to get out of the building. We were stuck on the stairs for a while, we finally got down to the lobby, then when we get to the lobby there was this big explosion." 911 EYE WITNESSES TO WTC LOBBY EXPLOSION http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2W1HlV9O65w


'….11 September 2001, Barry Jennings, housing authority official New York City, was near WTC when attacked and reported to city’s command center, on 23rd floor WTC Building 7. After reaching the office, Jennings and a man named Michael Hess realized the room was completely empty. “There was steaming coffee and sandwiches on the tables. It seemed that the room had recently been vacated.” Getting word to evacuate, Jennings and Hess started to move down the staircase of 7 WTC. At the 6th floor they were hit by a large explosion. The stairs underneath the men gave way and they were forced to climb over rubble to reach 8th floor.....'


'….While on 8th floor Barry Jennings reported the sound of multiple loud explosions from below :smile: Jennings and Hess were eventually saved by a collection of New York City firefighters and taken to an area called the “lobby.” The area was completely obliterated. While traveling through the lobby, Barry Jennings commented on dead bodies. “And the firefighter who took us down kept saying, “Do not look down.” I kept saying, “Why?” We were stepping over people. And you know when you can feel when you are stepping over people.” 5:21 evening of 11 September 2001, the WTC building 7 suffered a complete failure....'



'... Destruction of 7 WTC is a controversial subject. The structure didn’t crumble as you might expect from fire damage. Instead it fell in an absolute free-fall (about 8 seconds). Barry Jennings said: “I’m just confused about one thing, why WTC Building 7 went down in the first place – I’m very confused about that – I know what I heard, I heard explosions.”

Barry Jennings challenged official 9/11 report. While in the building he heard multiple explosions and witnessed damage not caused by fire. Barry Jennings died on 19 August 2008, from an unknown cause only a couple days before a report was to be released by NIST...'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LO5V2CJpzI
 

Phoenix Venus

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hey Jupiterasc, what do you think of the obvious and strange connections between USA's CIA & elite and the muslim brotherhood?

here are some examples from the links I posted in my last post:

Among MB fronts in the US are:
  • Council of American Islamic Relations;
  • Islamic Society of North America;
  • Islamic Circle of North America;
  • Muslim Students Association;
  • Muslim American Society;
  • International Institute for Islamic Thought; and,
  • Muslim Public Affairs Council.
These MB fronts were identified as unindicted co-conspirators in the Federal Holy Land Foundation trial with convictions in 2008, involving the funneling of upwards of $36 million to Palestinian MB affiliate Hamas in Gaza. Uncovered in the HLF trial was a 1991 strategy plan of the MB in the US to overthrow our Constitution and form of government via ‘stealth Jihad’ and replacing it with a Shariah–ruled Caliphate.


2009: The White House invites ISNA’s president to President Obama’s inauguration ceremonies, even though the Justice Department just two years earlier had blacklisted the Brotherhood affiliate as an unindicted co-conspirator in the Holy Land trial — the largest terror-finance case in U.S. history.
2009: Obama delivers his Cairo speech to Muslims, infuriating the Mubarak regime by inviting Brotherhood leaders to attend.....
2009: Obama appoints a Brotherhood-tied Islamist — Rashad Hussain — as U.S. envoy to the Organization of the Islamic Conference, which strongly supports the Brotherhood.


And a few other things, though the list goes on and on and on and on and on....

Two dozen members of Osama bin Laden's family were urgently evacuated from the United States in the first days following the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington, according to the Saudi ambassador to Washington


http://tvnewslies.org/html/bin_laden_ties.html

A BBC programme aired on Tuesday made a startling revelation that Federal Bureau of Investigation agents probing relatives of the Saudi-born terrorist Osama bin Laden were told to go slow soon after George W Bush became the president of the United States.
The BBC's Newsnight said Bush at one point had a number of connections with Saudi Arabia's prominent bin Laden family....
Newsnight said Bush made his first million 20 years ago with an oil company partly funded by the chief US representative of Salem Bin Laden, Osama's brother.

Might seem pretty scary, yet it is the truth...

however, knowing the truth is the first step to changing it... :innocent:

For instance they had a peaceful revolution in Iceland not too long ago. Look it up. It could happen in America, too. It could happen all over the world. :wink:
 

Phoenix Venus

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oops... here is the link to the last quote of my last post: http://www.rediff.com/us/2001/nov/07ny5.htm

and this: http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3672/muslim-brotherhood-us-government

[1] Risen, James, Mark Mazzetti, Michael S. Schmidt, "U.S.-Approved Arms for Libya Rebels Fell into Jihadis' Hands," New York Times, December 5, 2012. Accessed online 5 January 2013 at http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/06/world/africa/weapons-sent-to-libyan-rebels-with-us-approval-fell-into-islamist-hands.html
[2] Sparshott, Jeffrey, "Group Gets U.S. License to Fund Syria Rebels," Wall Street Journal, July 31, 2012. Accessed online 5 January 2013 at http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444405804577561482242140956.html
[3] Labott, Elise, "Obama authorized covert support for Syrian rebels, sources say," CNN, August 1, 2012. Accessed online 5 January 2013 at http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/01/us/syria-rebels-us-aid/index.html
[4] Enders, David, "Syrian rebels say Americans, Britons helped train them in Jordan," McClatchy Newspapers, 14 December 2012. Accessed online 5 January 2013 at [URL="http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2012/12/14/177474/syrian-rebels-say-americans-britons.html"]http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2012/12/14/177474/syrian-rebels-say-americans-britons.html [/URL]
 

JUPITERASC

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hey Jupiterasc, what do you think of the obvious and strange connections between USA's CIA & elite and the muslim brotherhood? Might seem pretty scary, yet it is the truth...

however, knowing the truth is the first step to changing it... :innocent:

For instance they had a peaceful revolution in Iceland not too long ago. Look it up. It could happen in America, too. It could happen all over the world.
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JMO that certainly seems significant UNLESS one considers that USA's CIA and elite connections with not only 'Paganism' but also with Christianity are equally obvious and equally strange :smile:
 

Sweet Pea

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And weren't some members of the Bin Laden family the only people allowed to fly out of the country, in the days after 911 when all other planes were grounded?

Or is that an urban myth?

No wonder David Icke wrote a book called something like Alice in Wonderland and 911....
 

rahu

Banned
no sweet pea it is not an urban myth.

even as all flights were cancelled nationwide, i group of saudi elite were allowed to fly out of the country.

ithe bush familty is personally involved with the saudi.

of your interested do some searchs t,he bush's and the saudi elite have intimate business connections that go back a number of years

rahu
 

Phoenix Venus

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JMO that certainly seems significant UNLESS one considers that USA's CIA and elite connections with not only 'Paganism' but also with Christianity are equally obvious and equally strange :smile:

I don’t know why THAT would make it any less significant. Of course the elite have connections with christians… the elite have connections with people of all walks of life… it is how they retain their influence and have such a large effect on humanity… it's how they control the media, control most countries, etc....


Doesn’t matter what you label yourself as. muslim, jewish, christian, whatever… don’t matta… deep down, we are all the same.. even the ones working for the “other side” are all going back to the source too... youre my sister (or brother? idk) too, Jupiter asc.. :wink: we're all brothers and sisters. we will all come together one of these days. there is no doubt in my mind about that. It is the INHERENT nature of the universe (you have to go down to get back up…. it‘s the cycle of life… we are near our rock bottom right now [if not at it] so it is only up from here) it takes a bit of patience. one person at a time.
 

piercethevale

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This is new to me...and maybe of some, if any, interest to you all:


{Pilger is an independent journalist and film maker. This article was published
in The Guardian (United Kingdom) on December 12, 2002}

"Two years ago a project set up by the men who now surround George W Bush said what America needed was 'a new Pearl Harbor'. Its published aims have, alarmingly, come true." -- John Pilger, 12 Dec 2002

... What was needed for America to dominate much of humanity and the world's resources, it said, was 'some catastrophic and catalysing event - like a new Pearl Harbor'. The attacks of 11 September 2001 provided the 'new Pearl Harbor', described as 'the opportunity of ages'. The extremists who have since exploited 11 September come from the era of Ronald Reagan, ...The Project for the New American Century was formed, along with the American Enterprise Institute, the Hudson Institute and others that have since merged the ambitions of the Reagan administration with those of the current Bush regime.

http://site.www.umb.edu/faculty/salzman_g/Strate/Discus/2002-12-12ANewPearlHarbor.htm

http://tvnewslies.org/html/pnac.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uT7kcAu4i8
 
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Sweet Pea

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Yes, Piercethevale, this is because Presidents and Prime Ministers change, but they are still being puppeted by the hidden "shadow government" behind the scenes.

I have heard about this Project. They have planned for something like 911, for a very long time.

It was the start of a new form of warfare, the "terror" caused by one or two individuals against a nation. They pulled off a great trick. But they didn't count on the intelligence of a large number of very astute people, who realised that things could not have happened as they were claimed to happen.

Perhaps these clues were meant to be there? Perhaps, just as good crime writers scatter clues throughout their tales, the reader must always be given the chance to intuit what is really going on?

If there is an bad illuminati, I think there must also be a good illuminati who are holding their breaths, egging us on to "get it".

It's time the whole illusory house of cards tumbled to the ground. "Off with their heads!" as the Red Queen shouted. The masks will fall away....
 

Phoenix Venus

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Perhaps these clues were meant to be there? Perhaps, just as good crime writers scatter clues throughout their tales, the reader must always be given the chance to intuit what is really going on?

If there is an bad illuminati, I think there must also be a good illuminati who are holding their breaths, egging us on to "get it".

It's time the whole illusory house of cards tumbled to the ground. "Off with their heads!" as the Red Queen shouted. The masks will fall away....

yes! yes! yes! imho, aside from the fact that the nothing works perfectly, “the wonderlands” aren’t stupid.. they know how karma works… (if they didn‘t they wouldn‘t have made it this far…) … if you outright lie about something, you get bad karma. so instead they just tell the truth in a hidden/deceitful way.

“snakes on a plane”… lol. or the infamous “simpsons predict 911” photos…. or the “illuminati” oracle cards that had the twin towers, pentagon, and 7/7 london events depicted… or the family guy episode of bombs going off and people losing their limbs at the boston marathon, aired shortly before the actual event. or the “dark knight rises” map that labeled “sandy hook” as the “strike zone” ….. etc. etc.

no matter if you are one to say that is coincidence, or a product of collective unconscious working through artforms, or intentional clues... the truth is out there in some form or fashion... waiting for us to open our eyes and see it.

and yea there is a “left“ and a “right“ side… (and forces working that are stronger than what we think..) just like politics… (though at the end of the day the sides are more of a fabrication of division than anything worth stressing over) …

but people can’t be screamed at.. ( a mistake I made at the onset of this thread... but it is what it is...) people have to find the truth on their own or else it will do more damage than good… and that is why patience is a virtue. so far it seems as though the "house of cards" (I love how you put that, btw) HAS been slowly crumbling for a while now... it will fade away in time... when it does things will get better and (imho) ALL OF US (even people on their deathbeds) can get to experience that :love:

you seem like an intelligent woman sweat pea, you might not need me to tell you any of this, but it's good to get out nonetheless :tongue:
 
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piercethevale

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Just thinking...:whistling:
 

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JUPITERASC

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Just thinking...:whistling:
WTC1, WTC2 and WTC7 are the only steel-structure buildings ever to have collapsed (allegedly) as a result of fire. There are several cases of fires in other such buildings, none of which collapsed :smile:

[FONT=Callisto MT,Georgia,Book Antiqua,Palatino,Times New Roman,Serif] In May 1988 a fire at the Interstate Bank Building in Los Angeles destroyed four floors and damaged a fifth floor of the modern 62-story building. The fire burned for four hours. The building did not collapse. http://www.iklimnet.com/hotelfires/interstatebank.html[/FONT]

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[FONT=Callisto MT,Georgia,Book Antiqua,Palatino,Times New Roman,Serif][FONT=Callisto MT,Georgia,Book Antiqua,Palatino,Times New Roman,Serif]February 1991 a fire gutted eight floors of the 38-story One Meridian Plaza building in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. The fire burned for 18 hours. The building did not collapse. http://www.sgh.com/expertise/hazardsconsulting/meridian/meridian.htm[/FONT][/FONT]

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[FONT=Callisto MT,Georgia,Book Antiqua,Palatino,Times New Roman,Serif][FONT=Callisto MT,Georgia,Book Antiqua,Palatino,Times New Roman,Serif] October 2004 in Caracas, Venezuela, a fire in a 56-story office tower burned for more 17 hours and spread over 26 floors. Two floors collapsed, but the underlying floors did not, and the building remained standing. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/10/18/world/main649824.shtml[/FONT][/FONT]

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CONFRONTING THE EVIDENCE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XMLfVJCsZY
 

JUPITERASC

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[FONT=Callisto MT,Georgia,Book Antiqua,Palatino,Times New Roman,Serif][FONT=Callisto MT,Georgia,Book Antiqua,Palatino,Times New Roman,Serif]February 2005 the 32-story Windsor Building in Madrid, Spain, caught fire and burned for two days. The building was completely engulfed in flames at one point. Several top floors collapsed onto lower ones, yet the building remained standing. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4263667.stm and Christopher Bollyn's 9/11 and the Windsor Tower Fire

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JUPITERASC

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[FONT=Callisto MT,Georgia,Book Antiqua,Palatino,Times New Roman,Serif][FONT=Callisto MT,Georgia,Book Antiqua,Palatino,Times New Roman,Serif]The still-uncompleted Beijing Television Cultural Center, containing the Mandarin Oriental Hotel, caught fire on 9 February 2009 (due to uncontrolled use of fireworks at Chinese New Year). 140,000 tons of steel was used in its construction. It burned for five hours, but it did not collapse. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/10/world/asia/10beijing.html

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JUPITERASC

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[FONT=Callisto MT,Georgia,Book Antiqua,Palatino,Times New Roman,Serif]It is not well-known that WTC1 itself survived a serious fire in 1975. It started on the 11th floor and spread to six other floors, burning for three hours. For more details The World Trade Center Fires (Not So Hot eh?). How did WTC1 survived a 3-hour fire in 1975 but completely collapsed as the (alleged) result of a fire lasting less than two hours on 9/11?[/FONT]
 

JUPITERASC

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Interestingly, a tape of radio conversations between firefighters exists (but only relatives of the dead men have been allowed to hear it). Kevin Flynn, of the New York Times, reported:

Chief Orio Palmer says from an upper floor of the badly damaged south tower at the World Trade Center.

Just two hose lines to attack two isolated pockets of fire. "We should be able to knock it down with two lines," he tells firefighters of Ladder Co. 15 who were following him up the stairs of the doomed tower.

Lt. Joseph G. Leavey is heard responding: "Orio, we're on 78 but we're in the B stairway. Trapped in here. We got to put some fire out to get to you." The time was 9:56 a.m.


So we know just a few minutes before the collapse of the south tower, firefighters did not consider the fires to be serious, and were able to get right into the impact region without being killed by the heat that was (according to Eagar) so intense that the trusses glowed red-hot and failed.


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Another reason we know the fires were not as serious as claimed, is there are photos of people in the impacted region after the planes hit the building (and before it collapsed). The above photo shows at least two survivors of the impact and the initial jet-fuel fire.

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This photo is an enlargement of the above photo. It clearly shows a women trying to see what is happening on the street below. It is also possible that the brown area to the left may be another women lying on the floor and looking down, but the picture resolution does not allow a us to be sure. Initially, we thought the images were doctored and survivors added with Photoshop, but the picture of the woman actually appears in the FEMA report (page 18 of Chapter 2: WTC 1 and WTC 2). I have enlarged the relevant section of that photo and circled the woman, but you should go to the FEMA report and check for yourself.
 

Culpeper

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As the above examples show, steel buildings can take raging fires and lots of other abuse and remain standing. Photographs show little if any fire in the Towers. There have been lots of photos on the internet. The government appears to have forced the insurance companies to accept the fire explanation so that they would have to pay claims. Otherwise it was an act of war which they do not have to pay for. The Twin Towers did not collapse they were pulverized. If dropped from 10 miles up there would still not be enough kinetic energy to turn the steel to dust.

As for explosives, there is no blast damage to close surrounding buildings. Windows are mostly intact. There was no spike on seismographs in the area. After the Towers disappeared, building 7 looks untouched in photos. Windows are still in it. There is no black smoke coming from it that would indicate fires either in offices or basement. The video I have seen shows no smoke or blast. It just falls in a neat pile without scatter or damage to surrounding structures. There is no proof that there was ever a fire in #7. There is a photo of a fire alleged to be in #7 but it was taken after dark. #7 fell at 5:20 and sunset was after 7:00.
 

Phoenix Venus

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For the record, a program that airs on The Blaze, did an awesome job exposing some of the misdeeds surrounding the boston marathon bombings. The episode aired last night. Everyone should check their broadcast stations to find out when the rerun is being played in their area.

Read the full article about the episode here:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/09/25/for-the-record-exposes-radicalized-foundation-of-the-mosque-attended-by-the-accused-boston-bombers/

Well in advance of the deadly Boston Marathon bombings in April, federal law enforcement officials were warned on numerous occasions that radicalization was taking place within the Boston Islamic community.....
For more than a decade, there was evidence that members of the mosque were being radicalized. Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, young brothers and ethnic Chechen immigrants who allegedly orchestrated the marathon bombings, weren’t the only terrorists who attended services at the Islamic center.

One member was Afia Siddiqui, known as "Lady Al Qaeda," who was captured in Kabul, Afghanistan in 2008 with plans to target Americans in Afghanistan, as well as plans to target major landmarks in New York City. Tarek Mehanna, an American pharmacist living in the Boston area who attended the mosque, was also found guilty of providing material support to Al Qaeda.

 
It was a subject that many law enforcement officials chose to ignore or failed to acknowledge out of fear of being branded anti-Islamic...

The failure to act on evidence that Islamic radicalization was taking place in Boston led to the deaths of three people and more than 265 wounded attendees... When the dust settled, the people of Boston and its survivors, many of whom were severely maimed, questioned why federal and local law enforcement missed so many warning signs.


Here is a little youtube clip on it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FypNTYbSoM
 
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