Re: Indicators of Passive Agreesive Behavior
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This turned into something looking like, transformational astrology, although I really dont know what that is, wans't going to post it, was just figuring stuff out, didn't look that bad, so I'm deciding to post it for the hell of it.
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, adobe-helvetica, Arial Narrow]PAPD patients characteristically procrastinate, resist demands for adequate performance, find excuses for delays, and find fault with those on whom they depend; yet they refuse to extricate themselves from the dependent relationships. They usually lack assertiveness and are not direct about their own needs and wishes. They fail to ask needed questions about what is expected of them and may become anxious when forced to succeed(who isnt when forced, or rushed, these people have a low confront of the physical enviroment that others dont have a problem with, they are just stuck in things, thats all, mabie a very badly aspected neptune, they cant get enough attention up to present time)or when their usual defense of turning anger against themselves is removed.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, adobe-helvetica, Arial Narrow](It would be interesting to ask them who wouldn't let them express their anger ever , or who used to restrict their motions that was important in their life, and see their eyes get real big,(this who, or group may show up by house) these people just can't confront force, or using in, and cant use it ever, so I would say badly aflicted mars )
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, adobe-helvetica, Arial Narrow]In interpersonal relationships, these people attempt to manipulate themselves into a position of dependence, but others often experience this passive, self-detrimental behavior as punitive and munipulative. People with this disorder expect ( I supose the key word here is [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, adobe-helvetica, Arial Narrow]expect[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, adobe-helvetica, Arial Narrow], mabie its because they have no self stated goals of their own, so when someone asks them to do something they just do it without thought, cause their suposed too (push overs),........ (suposed too's are bad, these people truely feel they have no choice and have a hard time dirrecting their own actions or making their own decisions in present time(mabie alot of water in chart???), seems like unconcious stuff involved, mabie the moon with neptune or something squaring the ascendent)...........and expect other to do the same....sounds like there into sacrafice and also think that this is the direction towards being in charge.....a lack of true self, they feel like property, they dont exist, therefore nobody else really does either-----makes me think mars in 6H badly aspected with a weak first house) others to do their errands and to carry out their routine responsibilities. Friends and clinicians may become enmeshed in trying to assuage the patients' many claims of unjust treatment.(which may have happened) The close relationships of people with PAPD, however, are rarely tranquil or happy. Because they are bound to their resentment more closely than to their satisfaction, they may never even formulate goals(How would you state a goal if you didn't know who you were, or what you wanted, simply no true sence of self, they may be stuck in a valence of another and not know it, once again Id say weak first house and som odd aspects to the ascendent, Also seems to need to prove someone or something wrong as a goal above all else......starting to sound) for finding enjoyment in life. People with this disorder lack self-confidence and are typically pessimistic about the future.(May have been forced to take other's goals as their own, Not sure where to look for that, mabie saturn in the 4thH square sun or moon, in the firstH or ascendent . It would confuse ones sence of identity and pride....places of self sacrafice in the chart for the "good of all")
(they are simply stuck in the past, litterally, and see no future as a reality, they chase the future from where they are in the past, instead of seeing a possobility that they can create a future, or even BE in one....sounds like neurosis is involved as well, Probably cant state goals because the "have enough problems already" they are under the weight of disapointments and failures of there own goals(overwealmed), and have lost too many times in life already, they have given up, they "need" direction and can't create there own interest in things, they need someone elses, not enough randomity in enviroment and have grown accustomed to too little, can't create their own attention or intention, they are simply in a apathy, and live on others dirrection so in "reality" so does everyone else, they are dumbfounded when people dont take their orders cause he cant see any other way of being or achieving things.....Can ya tell I've seen this before??.....I would look at saturn in a chart, also the nodes and see if they need help in theses areas, hard aspects to the NN could indicate blockages to their true purpose....nobodys unhappy for no reason....they have a reason, may not be a good one. I see it as just a problem of not achieving self stated goals(mabie Mars by house could also show where those goals are as well). Or quite possibly destiny. They have a bad sence of self respect....Mabie look for bad aspects to first house as well or a badly afflicted sun. This can be fixed, once a person becomes aware of self once more, through self realization, this may lighten up the transits that set these thing off every now and then in them. if ya just tell em whats wrong with em they arn't getting any better...ever. he probably just got burried under others goals, had alot of failures in life and its easier to cling in them and use them to justify future failures.....its bellow apathy but the person will wear a mask of a smile....also a goal of a person could be in apathy or anything below that like shame or blame and the person could be up in excitement or even stuck in it, This may be the other deffinition below PD)
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, adobe-helvetica, Arial Narrow]PAPD must be differentiated from histrionic and borderline PD. Patients with PAPD, however, are less flamboyant, dramatic, affective and openly aggressive than those with histrionic and borderline PD.
(I think all of this is borderline and to call it a dissease is a little odd....its more like a symptom, a symptom of not achieving ones self stated goals, then comes apathy, then comes needing direction and motion, and living in the past.(nothing wrong with the past, lots of good stuff there, just that future life isnt in the past) I can see where neptune(delusionment) may come in,.
and even mars. and also the nodes, looking at those areas of a chart and with the persons help one may be able to find those areas(houses) where, in the past, which to them may seem present, that they have failed in those areas, and they may move on refreshed, or have a nice realization that then is then and now is now, and now could be later, and there is a future that they could have and help create, by their choice to join I get the feeling these people have been forced arround enough, the past has just become too easy of a place to live for them, this to me screams neptune influence, mabie also a badly afflicted mars, or a saturn influence that they never overcame, mabie bad aspects to the nodes, mabie bad aspects to the sun(will, life) also, murcury is such an interesting charecter himself that it would be hard for me to say just what aspects you may see, once again by house, by sign, by aspect, and then to really know you'd have to also ask the person who has the chart as well, or at least look at the person sitting right infront of you just to see whats there.
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, adobe-helvetica, Arial Narrow]In a follow-up study averaging 11 years of 100 PA inpatients, Small found that the primary diagnosis in 54 was PAPD; 18 were alcohol abusers, and 30 could be clinically labeled depressed. Of the 73 former patients located, 58 (79%) had persistent psychiatric difficulties and 9 (12%) were considered symptom-free. Most seemed irritable, anxious, and depressed; somatic (internal physical) complaints were numerous. Only 32 (44%) were employed full time as workers or homemakers. Although neglect of responsibility and suicide attempts were common, only one patient had committed suicide in the interim. 28 had been readmitted to a hospital, but the disorders of only 34 had been diagnosed as schizophrenia.
Do they have a drug for this "disease" I kind of hope not.
Looks like "these people" have some extreme guilt for something, what? ....????. doesnt mean they are guilty always, may have been some form of supression, or opression, that put them under or even drug influence. Mabie just a failed purpose that they are stuck in, unfinished business, loose ends. Either way they are having a hard time deciding who they are and just what they do deserve, and probably feel they need to even justify their very existence, may feel undeserving.
Just a Thought.
Mabie a little too opinionated of one.
I'm waiting to get kicked in the nuts for this one.
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