david starling
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Is a cazimi planet empowered by the Sun? I read that the Orb is one degree according to the earlier astrologers, but was tightened to 16 minutes during the Renaissance. Jupiter will be cazimi in two days.
Is a cazimi planet empowered by the Sun? I read that the Orb is one degree according to the earlier astrologers, but was tightened to 16 minutes during the Renaissance. Jupiter will be cazimi in two days.
I have Mercury within 8 minutes, and I am a genius, so yeah it does empower.
TraditionallyAside from your personal situation, is that "standard" Traditional?
Planet gets empowered? Like Venus or Mars camizi, great lover or fighter?I
What about Jupiter camizi, coming up soon?
Aside from your personal situation, is that "standard" Traditional? Planet gets empowered? Like Venus or Mars camizi, great lover or fighter?I
What about Jupiter camizi, coming up soon?
Traditionally
"empowerment" relative to cazimi Mars has multiple significations
likewise "empowerment" relative to cazimi Venus has multiple significations
and "empowerment" relative to cazimi Jupiter has multiple significations
the information you read may have been incompleteIs a cazimi planet empowered by the Sun?
I read that the Orb is one degree according to the earlier astrologers,
but was tightened to 16 minutes during the Renaissance.
Jupiter will be cazimi in two days.
the information you read may have been incomplete
alternatively you may have overlooked some of the information
a cazimi planet must be conjunct with Sun by LATITUDE - not soley longitude
you appear to have researched this matter already
and have a particular day/date/time in mind
and so
useful if you would post the respective LATITUDES of Jupiter and the Sun
for the day you have in mind
perhaps not allMost traditional authors don't mention latitude,
precise Latitude of Jupiter on the day the OP has in mind is requiredand only require longitude.
The Sun is never north or south of the ecliptic, and
traditionally does not miss applications and separations anyways.
perhaps not all
some
Latitude of Jupiter on the day the OP has in mind is required
That's a question more appropriate for our horary boardWhy do we have a thread on cazimi every three months on this board
That's a question more appropriate for our horary board
BONATTI prescribes 16’ from the Sun BOTH in longitude AND in latitudeGive me a single source besides Henry Coley please
BONATTI prescribes 16’ from the Sun BOTH in longitude AND in latitude
Bonatti’s rule is astronomically more accurate
I'm no expertDo you know what a source means?
Liber Astronomiae:
''And when the planet is with the Sun in one degree, so that there are 16’ or less between them,
both by latitude and longitude
(which rarely happens),
it is said to be united, and then it is made strong, because it is said to be in the Sun’s forge, that is, in his heart.'' - http://www.astrologiaoraria.com/Nava - Heart of the Sun.pdf
I'm no expert
except that even Lilly specifically says''We can be assured that Lilly is not referring to latitude in this excerpt
Ancient technical texts are very hard to work with.because when he deems it necessary to consider latitude as well as longitude,
he usually mentions it explicitly, as he does while discussing of fixed stars.
It is no coincidence that Bonatti had already complained, some centuries before
about the lack of attention to latitude with the majority of his contemporaries:
Indeed I am in agreement with them, but not purely and simply.
Because if a planet is distant from the Sun by less than 16’ in longitude,
and according to latitude it is distant by more than 16’, nevertheless it is combust,
because the distinction between combustion in latitude
and combustion in longitude is practically imperceptible.''
- from the same source
I would say that Bonatti was in a minority.
Rhetorius and Sahl don't mention latitude with their degree either.