waybread
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Do we still have our free will? or life is all mapped out, and dragged by astrological transits and the energies of stars?
Don't you think it's a bit of both?
Do we still have our free will? or life is all mapped out, and dragged by astrological transits and the energies of stars?
Don't you think it's a bit of both?
Don't you think it's a bit of both?
Astrology was synonymous with fate in the Hellenistic period. When the early Church Fathers wrote texts against fate, almost all of their texts are an attack on astrology. Chris Brennan explains that as well in his book. If everything occurs through free will, then astrology is useless.
Yes, this is logically correct. But if fate is all we have, why do we bother making effort for anything?
The simple counter-argument is that fate has already preordained those who will gain immortal foreknowledge of it, and who will put it to good use.
If fate is what governs the universe, there will be a lot of problems and questions in the world. For example, is it then justified to punish criminals? Because fate made them to commit crimes, surely then it is not their fault. It is fault of the fate?
The main question is:
Does astrology work?
If the answer is yes, then there can be no free will. An iota of free will would render astrology useless.
Many recent discoveries in biology underscore the simple fact that our choices sre dictated by biological factors. We have no free will.
I love being alive. Even if I'm a puppet, I got a free ticket to The Greatest Show On Earth
The main question is:
Does astrology work?
If the answer is yes, then there can be no free will. An iota of free will would render astrology useless.
Many recent discoveries in biology underscore the simple fact that our choices sre dictated by biological factors. We have no free will.
I love being alive. Even if I'm a puppet, I got a free ticket to The Greatest Show On Earth
What about, "Astrology doesn't compel, it impels"? The requirements of society, environment, and tradition can all interfere with much of what the Charts tell us about ourselves as individuals.
The person of his will is committing the crime, even if everything operates through fate. You still have ethics and reason.
Death is everyone's ultimate "Fate"If one's will can over-rides fate, then it is no longer fate.
Fate means nothing can change it.
Death is everyone's ultimate "Fate"
If one's will can over-rides fate, then it is no longer fate. Fate means nothing can change it.
Define "define"Define "Death".
Death is everyone's ultimate "Fate"
everyone who has ever lived has died eventuallyBut please remember, people don't ask whether they will die in the end.
They ask, when and how death will come to certain individual.
Death itself is not fate, but end of every life = event.
When and how death will come is fate.
everyone who has ever lived has died eventually
eventual death is inevitable hence "Fate"
i.e.
those now alive
eventually won't be alive
Yes, there's free will. Chart configurations have high end and low end manifestations of the same chart patterns. Astrology generally is the study of probabilities. Through free will and lucid moments in life you can select from a range of probabilities and leverage your chart into higher end manifestations.
This is seen in the pentagram, the 4 points are under the 5th pointing upwards, denoting spirit/akasha over matter/the 4 elements. Spirit, or consciousness, is related to free will. Pure determinism is when the elements and matter reign over spirit, i.e. the inverted pentagram. I believe that there is a significant portion of humanity that are effectively automatons though, without spirit. They would be completely at the mercy of genetics, cultural influences, astrological, elemental influences etc. without any free-will.
If you study hermeticism, like Franz Bardon's work, you can read about becoming a master over the elements instead of being mastered by them. There are practices which can increase your free-will, such as meditation. It increases your consciousness and detaches you from your various egoic structures which run your life. From that space you are able to make more original anomalous actions and manifest situations which aren't rigidly deterministic.