Introduction to Hellenistic Astrology Part I - Zodiac

petosiris

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Ophiuchus does not touch the ecliptic. Only twelve constellations/images/twelfth-parts touch the ecliptic. Ophiuchus has some stars in the belt, and is rising alongside the Scorpion.
 

petosiris

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Aldebaran and Antares are powerful red stars, but there is nothing special or fudicial about them. They can just serve as reference points, same as the other stars.
 

david starling

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JUPITERASC

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MASCULINE AND FEMININE IN ASTROLOGY :smile:

It wasn't easy to shoe-horn the signs into this gender system.
We do get some contradictions.
Taurus the bull is male, but the sign is ruled by Venus.
Scorpio, as a water sign, is feminine, but it is traditionally ruled by Mars.
The Bull and the Goat-Horned One have their male organs cut off,
the other four feminine signs are either missing
or do not have them big enough to be noticed, compared to
the Ram, Twins, Lion, the person holding the Scales, Archer and Water-Pourer.

It seems to me an apparent visual thing judged by the constellation,
rather than the seasonal reason given by Ptolemy, for if he was correct,
we would have a male Maiden and female Ram.
 

JUPITERASC

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MASCULINE AND FEMININE IN ASTROLOGY :smile:

It wasn't easy to shoe-horn the signs into this gender system.
We do get some contradictions.
Taurus the bull is male, but the sign is ruled by Venus.
Scorpio, as a water sign, is feminine, but it is traditionally ruled by Mars.
The Bull and the Goat-Horned One have their male organs cut off,
the other four feminine signs are either missing
or do not have them big enough to be noticed, compared to
the Ram, Twins, Lion, the person holding the Scales, Archer and Water-Pourer.

It seems to me an apparent visual thing judged by the constellation,
rather than the seasonal reason given by Ptolemy, for if he was correct,
we would have a male Maiden and female Ram.


Both Kings and Queens rule over both men and women.

Not seeing a problem with a male ruler for a female Sign, and vice versa.
 

petosiris

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Both Kings and Queens rule over both men and women. Not seeing a problem with a male ruler for a female Sign, and vice versa.

The gender of the planets has nothing to do with the gender of the signs, but all wandering stars control one masculine and one feminine house, except for the Sun and the Moon which correspondingly have one masculine and one feminine.

The gender of the planets is not the unchangeable:
''They say too that the stars become masculine or feminine according to their aspects to the sun, for when they are morning stars and precede the sun they become masculine, and feminine when they are evening stars and follow the sun. Furthermore this happens also according to their positions with respect to the horizon; for when they are in positions from the orient to mid-heaven, or again from the occident to lower mid-heaven, they become masculine because they are eastern, but in the other two quadrants, as western stars, they become feminine. - http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Ptolemy/Tetrabiblos/1B*.html#6''
 

david starling

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The gender of the planets has nothing to do with the gender of the signs, but all wandering stars control one masculine and one feminine house, except for the Sun and the Moon which correspondingly have one masculine and one feminine.

The gender of the planets is not the unchangeable:

What's the female version of Mars as an evening star? This sounds like the origin of "Gender Fluidity" !
 

petosiris

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What's the female version of Mars as an evening star? This sounds like the origin of "Gender Fluidity" !

:andy:

Stop looking at everything psychologically, and start thinking physiologically. The practical benefits are far greater. Some people have quarrels with male superiors, and others with female superiors, depending on the placement.
 

petosiris

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Mars is masculine by nature. To become feminine, it needs two of the above considerations, being both evening and western.
However, Mercury being common by nature, needs only one of the above, or being present in a feminine sign. If anyone was confused.

Also in the Medieval and Renaissance tradition, the Hellenistic quadrants were abandoned, instead two semicircles were used, one eastern from the Meridian (1,2,3,10,11,12), and the other western (4,5,6,7,8,9).
 

SunConjunctUranus

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Ophiuchus does not touch the ecliptic. Only twelve constellations/images/twelfth-parts touch the ecliptic. Ophiuchus has some stars in the belt, and is rising alongside the Scorpion.

Wow! Petosiris thank you for this humble knowledge!

You did mentioned several times about capricorn as amphibious, could you please explained what was that mean? Feminime or masculine? Why VV mentioned in his book that this Capricorn related to unfortunate/trouble?

Hellenistic astrologers generally did not use the elements, Capricorn was noted as amphibious, combining earth and water.
 
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