Okay, I believe the question is resolved...in fact, I'm sure of it.
As I started a thread on the Part of War, {Asc + Mars - Pluto} last week, and had been posting on a few other threads at the time and realizing that Uranus had returned, retrograde, to my Part of Unusual Events aka the Part of Misinterpretation {Asc. + Uranus - Moon}... I became worried that i might be in a 'period of time' , where-in I might be very convinced that I'm interpreting things correctly but in reality I'm not.
...so what to do?...
I called my Clairvoyant friend, and spiritual confidante, Clarisse.
I asked Her if I was "...seeing things for what they are. Am I interpreting the Sabians correctly, at this time, for one thing."... I mentioned that the Part of War for the USA natal chart [the "Zero Hour Chart", that is: 12:00:01 a.m. July 4, 1776, Philadelphia, Penn. ..which she confirmed as being "the ONE" to use as the natal for the USA soon after I produced it in March of 2012.] is in the 15th degree of Virgo and was a bit concerned that the natal position of the USA's Lilith being in the 19th of Virgo might be a problem as I had never been 100% convinced that Lilith had any affect on anything at all ...and I also told Her that I was unresolved as to the uncertainty that such a thing actually exists at all and if such a thing does is it then that as to what astrodienst gives as such or between any of the two aforementioned alternatives? [osc Lilith and Waldemath's Noon].
She said that day,that astrodienst's Lilith is the one that is correctly titled and when I asked Her what effect it may have on things astrologically, she replied,; "Have you ever seen one of those videos of a tornado and how the last few feet of it touch the ground and that portion of it is whipping around erratically and with so much force? ... imagine trying to control it!"
Then she told me that as for my correctly "seeing things as they are", she told me she was having this vision of the Sun and something was blocking the light..like an eclipse. She told me not to do postings until the 9th ...which is today.
In the wee hours of last night/this morning [and I still haven't slept yet, I've been up about 22 hours], I opened an email from Phoenix Venus and she had cast a progressed composite of our natal charts and she was quite astir about our prog. composite Lilith being conj. my natal Part of War at the present time. I was a bit stunned, myself, to say the least. So I kicked back in my chair and looking up to my own natal chart that is tacked to the wall directly behind my compute about 2 feet away...and...
I could kick myself... all this time I hadn't thought about, or 'Realized", would be a better way to put it, that my natal Lilith is conj. the Part of War, for the United States.
So, I called Her again, just a half hour ago, and asked Her if I should take her 'vision' to mean that I can't grasp it? That I can't grasp the symbology for the degree or is it that Lilith is likely to whip it up?
She replied; "Lilith stirs the pot... vigorously!... And you don't want to be doing that!"
Thus said. I am self banned from ever commenting on matters of "War", pertaining to the United States of America, ever again.
...or for that matter on anything that is associated with anyones' chart for the 15th degree of Virgo.
I urge all, that are reading this, to observe where your own natal Lilith falls and to be so advised as to concerning yourselves and your clients, if you are a professional or give amatuer advice.
...and, btw... I did ask Clarisse last week, after giving a brief description of them, about osc Lilith and Wlademath's Moon, if either of them was that which should be really the one so titled as Lilith [which I already mentioned above..that is, they aren't.] and, or, do either affect anything at all?
Now...I can't recall offhand to which she was referring to, but she said that [which ever one she was in fact talking about] she sees that it does have effect, but it is [possibly...maybe moreover, probably...] an unpredictable "Worm Hole".
She didn't mention what kind of effect though and although, upon my asking, she had once described the manner in which the former planet, now known as, the asteroids do affect [Yes, I thought so, and Clarisse confirmed that the asteroids were at one time a planet and must be given it's due still. That also includes the hierarchy of Planetary rulerships, house rulerships and things akin. The two signs of Sag. and Pisces... Aquarius is ruled by Jupiter, as I deduced...and honestly, it's an easy deduction... Capricorn, expansive Earth...Earth Above Earth... Expansion = Jupiter... and seriously, did anyone believe that 'cold, stern', Saturn was the ruler of; "Empathy for Humanity", lovin' Aquarius? I have an Aquarian Moon, exactly conj. my I.C. ...I should know, that, if I know anything at all about astrology. ... but I digress.] as to be like; "I see worm holes. Opening and closing. Here and then there. Worm holes, opening and closing, opening and closing...here...and then there."
...but the way in which she said it... i have to wonder if she doesn't mean t t that it is actually a "Worm Hole" we're talking about here
..and I just realized that would have to be "Waldemath's moon, she was talking about...!!!
..oh my... hmmmm...!?!!?!