Chinese Traditional Astrology-Zi wei dou shu

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Friends Palace
Snake

[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Travel Palace
Horse

[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Health Palace
Goat [/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]

Wealth Palace
Monkey

[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Career Palace
Dragon [/FONT]
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Child Palace
Rooster

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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Property Palace
Rabbit [/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]


Spouse Palace
Dog [/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]


Happy Palace
Tiger [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]

Parent Palace
Ox [/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]

Life Palace
Rat

[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Sibling Palace
Pig



[/FONT]The 12 palaces are arranged in anti-clockwise direction in this fixed sequence as below:

1. Life Palace 命宫 [Ming Gong] – we can call this as the main palace of the chart because it shows the general outlook or characteristic, inborn qualities, and basic character of a person. This chart shows a person first luck cycle.
2. Siblings Palace 兄弟宫 [Xiong Di Gong] – we can learn the siblings luck and the relationship between siblings with a person. You can also learn whether this person can do well in business with his/her siblings as his/her partner.

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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][/FONT]Some techniques of Zi wei dou shu:

1. Derived houses (turned houses):
Just like western astrology, zi wei dou shu also has a technique of derived houses/turned houses.Cannot find any english text on this technique, below is the translation of this :

1. Life Palace – The luck house of spouse, the wealth house of career(to judge the financial state of career ), career palace of the wealth palace, have a 1-6 relationship with the illness palace, property palace of children palace, illness palace of the servant palace, the corridor of the house
2. Siblings Palace – The spouse palace of father, therefore it is the mother's palace, also it is the father palace of a spouse; property palace of wealth palace(the place where you stock your money),how much cash you have in hand;illness palace of career palace(judge the ups and downs of your career);career palace of illness palace(terribly physical accident will be showed here);wealth palace of property palace;servant palace of travelling palace(people skills and the interaction with the outer world); luck palace of children palace
3. Spouse Palace - Sibling palace of mother, second sbling; wealth palace of luck palace(karma in effect,so as the marriage is the result or a new start of karma);luck palace of travelling palace(accidents while far away from home);travelling palace of career palace(outer envirnment and hidden threat of career ); spouse palace-career palace is called the serious illness line,(If be malefic influenced);property palace of illness palace(illness palace is your physical body, together with the spouse palace we could deduce the sexual attraction between the couple;lavatory in a house)
4. Children Palace - siblings palace of spouse; second spouse; your student or subordinate; illness palace of luck palace(romantic affairs house); Children palace--property palace(represents the romantic attraction and the sexual ability);property palace of travelling palace(represents the accident);career palace of friend palace(represents your shareholder and the partner), money of father and colleague.
5. Wealth Palace - Spouse palace of the spouse palace(how's the relationship between the couple);luck palace of career palace; opposite house of luck palace(apparent karma in this life which is the money you have); children of your siblings or the romantic attraction of your siblings; your role in marriage; house of a friend; guestroom; illness of father;
6. Illness Palace – The life palace is the nature while the illness palace is where your mind rest. this palace produce libido; illness palace of the illness palace is the luck palace(luck is the seed, illness is the fruit, so if you have illness you could seek your luck house to find a indication of a good doctor );opposite ying palace of parents palace(luck and karma inherited from your paraents);parlor in a house;property palace of career(office or factory or shops);children palace of spouse(romantic affairs of spouse);money of siblings,spouse of children; luck of friend;
7. Travelling Palace - This house is a hidden house if you have main star in your first house and live and work near your hometown. If you do not have main star in your first life palace, you will use travelling house to be your life house;it will indicate the luck when you going out;servant palace of parents palace(life length of parents);wealth palace of spouse, financial state and the people skills of your spouse; illness of siblings;grandchildren; the luck when you are old; parents of friend; money not from work but from other source;
8. Servant Palace - Life palace is the first palace, servant palace is the sixth palace, they are sharing luck and misfortune together; property palace of luck palace;if it have connection with siblings palace it is called the achievement line or fiasco line; parents of the career(big boss of big company,upstream manufacturer); illness of spouse palace; figure of spouse;money of children;travelling palace of siblings;
9. Career Palace – Life palace--wealth palace--career palace, these three palace is mutual influenced;wealth palace of wealth palace (how you spend your money);parents palace of property palace(represents the landlord); servants palace of siblings; social life of spouse; illness of children; study room
10. Property Palace - illness palace of wealth palace; place where you keep your money, spouse palace of servants palace, also the servants palace of spouse palace(represents the opposite sex friend. In romantic affairs, children palace is younger lover, property palace is an older one); palace for peaceful life, if it is afflicted, the person will easily attract disasters; siblings of career palace(represents the companies belong to the same group or colleagues);immovable properties, houses; career of siblings; travelling palace of children;
11. Luck Palace - Parents house for parents which is the grandparents(specially for your grandfather);career of your spouse(marriage life and the career of your spoues); illness palace of illness palace(strong consideration in health and suggestions for good treatment and lust);luck palace coming from the karma of your ancestors and the illness from deep inside, it is always the palace for suiside; spouse for career palace(represents the contracted or chain operation);property of siblings; marriage state of a female; servants of children
12. Parents Palace – Father or uncle; your inherited looking from your parents(if you want to judge if a person is beauty or not, judge parents palace and life palace and the travelling palace). the opposition house of illness house and yang palace (it also shows one's inclination towards libido);your teacher and immediate boss; children palace of the career palace(branch company,downstream firms); servants palace of wealth palace(represent check, payment contract); wealth palace of servant palace(the financial interaction with your friend); exam for position; relationship with your boss; law issues; connected with the illness palace(which is called the death line, if this line is malefic, the nativity is prone to bankruptcy or closure）; career palace of children palace；illness palace of travelling palace(illness while you are out of hometown); luck palace of siblings, family background of the spouse;money of your friends; kitchen in a house

There is another house which is always together with any of the 6 main houses(Life palace, spouse palace, wealth palace, travelling palace, career palace, luck palace) and it is called the Body Palace. It will assist the life palace to operate your luck when you grown up.

If the body palace is together with the life palace:the person wil be strong-minded and not easily get influenced.
spouse palace: emotional person, enjoy family life, influenced by the fortune of the spouse.
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A palace is affected or is most influenced by the adjacent palaces, the opposite palace and the related harmony palaces.

Looking at the chart above, we can say that the Life Palace is influenced by:
# the adjacent palaces (Parents and Siblings Palaces)
# the opposite palace (Travel Palace)
# the related harmony palace (Career and Wealth Palaces)

Do you not agree that the life of a person is shaped by the person's parents and siblings? The way you are brought up by your parents will determine how you become in society.
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Thats great. Chinese is familiar like Classic Astrology. In the typical horoscope why are u give more than 12 palaces? Thanks for the knowledge. I see that you wrote 12 palaces. What about the other? for example pig or monkey?

Docker

1.Basic Q&A for Zi wei dou shu
http://www.destinyandluck.com/articles/ziwei_qa.php

2.Introduction of the 14 major star used in the Chart
http://www.yaintech.com/pwong/zwds/star.htm


3.Interpretation of the Zi wei dou shu chart
http://www.fengshuiscoop.com/ziweianalyze.htm


4. http://fengshuiforward.com/94/how-about-using-zwds-to-identify-a-philandering-husband/


5. A quick but sure way of assessing your friendship
http://fengshuiforward.com/309/a-quick-but-sure-way-of-assessing-your-friendship/


6.A quick and easy way to understand your spouse using Zi Wei Dou Shu
http://fengshuiforward.com/312/a-quick-and-easy-way-to-understand-your-spouse-using-zi-wei-dou-shu/


7. Analysing Spousal Relationships Using Zi Wei Dou Shu
http://ezinearticles.com/?Analysing-Spousal-Relationships-Using-Zi-Wei-Dou-Shu-%28ZWDS%29&id=1418438

Oh thats great. Good work. Nice to share your knowledge with the others. Thanks. You think that Chinese astrology has the same philosophy with Western? Should we learn Chinese?

Docker

I think both the Chinese astrology and the western astrology is talking about the same thing---How the stars above the sky influenced the people under them. It is very interesting to find they share many things in common with different characteristic.

After all, they see the same thing from different point of view and place.The philosophy of Chinese astrology is different from western astrology due to the cultural differences.

Chinese is really difficult to learn if you don't have the environment. If you do like it, you could also learn well.

docker said:

Oh thats great. Good work. Nice to share your knowledge with the others. Thanks. You think that Chinese astrology has the same philosophy with Western? Should we learn Chinese?

Docker

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Thats great. Very nice presentation. Well done Candiceaqua. Very educational subject. Thanks again.

Docker

Isn't it intersting!

docker said:

Thats great. Very nice presentation. Well done Candiceaqua. Very educational subject. Thanks again.

Docker

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Ming Gong



The Ming Gong is the person’s Destiny palace. It has to do with “pre-heaven”, your destiny and what has already been decided for you. The Ming is similar to the Sun Sign or 1st House. Look for the lifetime Ming palace, and then at the palace’s bottom right-hand corner, bottom word.




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Hello Candice! Thank you again for all the great information you gave us. I have not been in the forum for about one week, hence my late reply to you. I never knew that there was so much to learn about Chinese astrology, incredible. I doubt if I will ever learn it all, but it is interesting to know about all the different details.
Back to work now!

Cheers, Starlink

Chinese Astrology is very fascinating, I hope more and more people would get to it and feel its charm!

candiceaqua said:

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]CHINESE ASTROLOGY[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]ZI WEI DOU SHU[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Zi WEi Dou Shu is a branch of Chinese Astrology. It utilizes the Chinese Lunar Calendar. A Zi Wei Dou Shu chart is divided into 12 palaces representing the 12 chinese earthly animals. Each palace corresponds to a particular aspect or part of our life. Each of these palaces are governed by major and minor stars. These stars have their own characteristics that affect the palace they are in.There are about 115 stars which govern the characteristics of the various palaces.The stars are not the actual celestial bodies in the Universe. They are merely mathematical symbols bearing different properties. [/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]You could get your birch chart together with your 10 year and 1 year luck chart of Zi wei dou shu freely on line in below link:[/FONT]​

http://www.destinyandluck.com/​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Friends Palace[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Snake[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Travel Palace[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Horse[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Health Palace[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Goat [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Wealth Palace[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Monkey[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Career Palace[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Dragon[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Child Palace[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Rooster[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Property Palace[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Rabbit[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Spouse Palace[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Dog[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Happy Palace[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Tiger[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Parent Palace[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Ox[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Life Palace[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Rat[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Sibling Palace[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Pig[/FONT]



The 12 palaces are arranged in anti-clockwise direction in this fixed sequence as below:

1. Life Palace 命宫 [Ming Gong] – we can call this as the main palace of the chart because it shows the general outlook or characteristic, inborn qualities, and basic character of a person. This chart shows a person first luck cycle.
2. Siblings Palace 兄弟宫 [Xiong Di Gong] – we can learn the siblings luck and the relationship between siblings with a person. You can also learn whether this person can do well in business with his/her siblings as his/her partner.

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Some techniques of Zi wei dou shu:

1. Derived houses (turned houses):
Just like western astrology, zi wei dou shu also has a technique of derived houses/turned houses.Cannot find any english text on this technique, below is the translation of this :

1. Life Palace – The luck house of spouse, the wealth house of career(to judge the financial state of career ), career palace of the wealth palace, have a 1-6 relationship with the illness palace, property palace of children palace, illness palace of the servant palace, the corridor of the house
2. Siblings Palace – The spouse palace of father, therefore it is the mother's palace, also it is the father palace of a spouse; property palace of wealth palace(the place where you stock your money),how much cash you have in hand;illness palace of career palace(judge the ups and downs of your career);career palace of illness palace(terribly physical accident will be showed here);wealth palace of property palace;servant palace of travelling palace(people skills and the interaction with the outer world); luck palace of children palace
3. Spouse Palace - Sibling palace of mother, second sbling; wealth palace of luck palace(karma in effect,so as the marriage is the result or a new start of karma);luck palace of travelling palace(accidents while far away from home);travelling palace of career palace(outer envirnment and hidden threat of career ); spouse palace-career palace is called the serious illness line,(If be malefic influenced);property palace of illness palace(illness palace is your physical body, together with the spouse palace we could deduce the sexual attraction between the couple;lavatory in a house)
4. Children Palace - siblings palace of spouse; second spouse; your student or subordinate; illness palace of luck palace(romantic affairs house); Children palace--property palace(represents the romantic attraction and the sexual ability);property palace of travelling palace(represents the accident);career palace of friend palace(represents your shareholder and the partner), money of father and colleague.
5. Wealth Palace - Spouse palace of the spouse palace(how's the relationship between the couple);luck palace of career palace; opposite house of luck palace(apparent karma in this life which is the money you have); children of your siblings or the romantic attraction of your siblings; your role in marriage; house of a friend; guestroom; illness of father;
6. Illness Palace – The life palace is the nature while the illness palace is where your mind rest. this palace produce libido; illness palace of the illness palace is the luck palace(luck is the seed, illness is the fruit, so if you have illness you could seek your luck house to find a indication of a good doctor );opposite ying palace of parents palace(luck and karma inherited from your paraents);parlor in a house;property palace of career(office or factory or shops);children palace of spouse(romantic affairs of spouse);money of siblings,spouse of children; luck of friend;
7. Travelling Palace - This house is a hidden house if you have main star in your first house and live and work near your hometown. If you do not have main star in your first life palace, you will use travelling house to be your life house;it will indicate the luck when you going out;servant palace of parents palace(life length of parents);wealth palace of spouse, financial state and the people skills of your spouse; illness of siblings;grandchildren; the luck when you are old; parents of friend; money not from work but from other source;
8. Servant Palace - Life palace is the first palace, servant palace is the sixth palace, they are sharing luck and misfortune together; property palace of luck palace;if it have connection with siblings palace it is called the achievement line or fiasco line; parents of the career(big boss of big company,upstream manufacturer); illness of spouse palace; figure of spouse;money of children;travelling palace of siblings;
9. Career Palace – Life palace--wealth palace--career palace, these three palace is mutual influenced;wealth palace of wealth palace (how you spend your money);parents palace of property palace(represents the landlord); servants palace of siblings; social life of spouse; illness of children; study room
10. Property Palace - illness palace of wealth palace; place where you keep your money, spouse palace of servants palace, also the servants palace of spouse palace(represents the opposite sex friend. In romantic affairs, children palace is younger lover, property palace is an older one); palace for peaceful life, if it is afflicted, the person will easily attract disasters; siblings of career palace(represents the companies belong to the same group or colleagues);immovable properties, houses; career of siblings; travelling palace of children;
11. Luck Palace - Parents house for parents which is the grandparents(specially for your grandfather);career of your spouse(marriage life and the career of your spoues); illness palace of illness palace(strong consideration in health and suggestions for good treatment and lust);luck palace coming from the karma of your ancestors and the illness from deep inside, it is always the palace for suiside; spouse for career palace(represents the contracted or chain operation);property of siblings; marriage state of a female; servants of children
12. Parents Palace – Father or uncle; your inherited looking from your parents(if you want to judge if a person is beauty or not, judge parents palace and life palace and the travelling palace). the opposition house of illness house and yang palace (it also shows one's inclination towards libido);your teacher and immediate boss; children palace of the career palace(branch company,downstream firms); servants palace of wealth palace(represent check, payment contract); wealth palace of servant palace(the financial interaction with your friend); exam for position; relationship with your boss; law issues; connected with the illness palace(which is called the death line, if this line is malefic, the nativity is prone to bankruptcy or closure）; career palace of children palace；illness palace of travelling palace(illness while you are out of hometown); luck palace of siblings, family background of the spouse;money of your friends; kitchen in a house

There is another house which is always together with any of the 6 main houses(Life palace, spouse palace, wealth palace, travelling palace, career palace, luck palace) and it is called the Body Palace. It will assist the life palace to operate your luck when you grown up.

If the body palace is together with the life palace:the person wil be strong-minded and not easily get influenced.
spouse palace: emotional person, enjoy family life, influenced by the fortune of the spouse.


[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]A palace is affected or is most influenced by the adjacent palaces, the opposite palace and the related harmony palaces.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Looking at the chart above, we can say that the Life Palace is influenced by:[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]# the adjacent palaces (Parents and Siblings Palaces)[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]# the opposite palace (Travel Palace)[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]# the related harmony palace (Career and Wealth Palaces)[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Do you not agree that the life of a person is shaped by the person's parents and siblings? The way you are brought up by your parents will determine how you become in society.[/FONT]


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Some people claim parents palace is also elder siblking palace

Hahahaha

I have studied Zi wei dou shu as a hobby for may be 12 years now . But seeing that in English gives me headache . But I like both Astrology and Zi wei dou shu can predict different things. At the beginning Zi wei dou shu somehow more easy to use also accurate but difficult to master!! Astrology is you REALLY REALLY need to master to be accurate!!!

poyi said:

Hahahaha

I have studied Zi wei dou shu as a hobby for may be 12 years now . But seeing that in English gives me headache . But I like both Astrology and Zi wei dou shu can predict different things. At the beginning Zi wei dou shu somehow more easy to use also accurate but difficult to master!! Astrology is you REALLY REALLY need to master to be accurate!!!

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Well my next 10 year career cycle has Ju men attached to Hua lu,good for talk jobs,as of 2014. Where do you see that in my western chart?

socrates said:

Well my next 10 year career cycle has Ju men attached to Hua lu,good for talk jobs,as of 2014. Where do you see that in my western chart?

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The problem are I am only new in western astrology and I am only familiar with zi wei dou shu in Chinese. What are Ju men and Hua lu in chinese?

When you study zi wei dou shu, how do you calculate your chart? What about the time zone issue?

poyi said:

The problem are I am only new in western astrology and I am only familiar with zi wei dou shu in Chinese. What are Ju men and Hua lu in chinese?

When you study zi wei dou shu, how do you calculate your chart? What about the time zone issue?

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ju men is also called big door,big mouth,messenger
you can calculate here but must deduce DST and longitude.You must use suntime
www.destinyandluck.com

I tried your link to create my own zi wei dou shu in English version. The English version is not completed. Some stars are not listed.

And the website used numbers to classify each star has lost the true meaning of zi wei dou shu. The best way to learn zi wei dou shu...unfortunately I have to say is in Chinese. There are a lot of principles based on the Chinese word itself. Replacing it into numbers, in my opinion had destroyed the true value of zi wei dou shu.

For example, 紫微斗數= zi wei dou shu the name itself has more meanings than the sound itself zi wei dou shu are only the sounds of the words. 紫微斗數 each of this word has it own deeper meaning....

To master 紫微斗數 you must first master 四化星 which this English version has failed to provide you this information.

socrates said:

ju men is also called big door,big mouth,messenger
you can calculate here but must deduce DST and longitude.You must use suntime
www.destinyandluck.com

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I see Ju Men=巨門. This star is a dark star needs to have a warm bright sun or 祿權 in the chart in order to show it positive sides.

When it is positive which means this person is a sophist and eloquence able to become a public speaker.

I use this link to create chart. Although is all in Chinese but you can use Google translator to try. Just copy and paste the word and translate. You have a feel of zi wei dou shu in Chinese
http://www.math.ncu.edu.tw/~ziyou/ziwei/wziwei.cgi

poyi said:

I see Ju Men=巨門. This star is a dark star needs to have a warm bright sun or 祿權 in the chart in order to show it positive sides.

When it is positive which means this person is a sophist and eloquence able to become a public speaker.

I use this link to create chart. Although is all in Chinese but you can use Google translator to try. Just copy and paste the word and translate. You have a feel of zi wei dou shu in Chinese
http://www.math.ncu.edu.tw/~ziyou/ziwei/wziwei.cgi

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I understand that ZWDS is best understood to have a grasp of the Chinese language but for those who have no Chinese base and expecting us to pick up Chinese (which is quite a difficult lang to master for spoken and written) will make it unappetising to learn. ZWDS is a good an accurate astrology to learn if someone just have the patience and skill to translate and generously provide the meaning of different stars being in the various houses with actual examples, this form of astrology will have a much wider market and everyone irregardless of race and religion and creed can learn and master it.

Mochi said:

I understand that ZWDS is best understood to have a grasp of the Chinese language but for those who have no Chinese base and expecting us to pick up Chinese (which is quite a difficult lang to master for spoken and written) will make it unappetising to learn. ZWDS is a good an accurate astrology to learn if someone just have the patience and skill to translate and generously provide the meaning of different stars being in the various houses with actual examples, this form of astrology will have a much wider market and everyone irregardless of race and religion and creed can learn and master it.

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I want to translate ZWDS for everyone if I could. But I simply can't find the words in English to translate it completed Chinese meaning......Even if I could translate it meaning, you will still need to learn the word in Chinese yourself. For example, my user name in Chinese:

"Po" "寶" is meaning treasure in most simple form if translated in English as a keyword; however there are many more meanings in the word itself.

Looks at the top part of the word is like a little hat which actually represents "Roof of a house".

The middle left is "Jade". On the middle right is "China" which is what richer people use at home.

Then the bottom part of the word meaning "Sea Shell", in ancient time Chinese people use shells as a form of "Money". And inside the sea shell we can find "Pearl".

Therefore, treasure in material sense is when we have something such as Jade, China and Money storing at home and having a home is a treasure itself.

Which also means treasure is something that has it own values which we should protect "under the roof of the house". But on the other hand, in non-material sense, "treasure" is some thing we want to hold on tight that is why it is under the "roof", under my own protection.

If you want to go deeper, the word itself means without the foundation of money, you can't have any Jade or China or Roof.

Seriously....it is a HUGE job to translate. And most of the BEST literature of ZWDS are written in ancient Chinese in poetry form even regular Chinese cannot understand it without good knowledge of ancient Chinese in term of grammar and use of word. I think that is the main reason why ZWDS is not as widely used. Because the language itself plus the history and hidden meaning behind each word.....

For me, I have studies some "high school level" of Chinese literature, have a bit of basic knowledge. But to fully understand the meaning of those literature will need to do a lot of background research of the history otherwise, you will misunderstand the meaning.

Haha, charming is a nice word to describe the Zi Wei Dou Shu, and the explanations seem to encompass either the highest or the lowest form of a star's exression: it is like everything was taken from poetry and transformed into a basic readable material, and yet, i tried various sites and horo.idv.tw gave me a more complete feeling because it also provides a great deal of explanations.

Poyi, the story/explanation behind your name is fascinating If you don't mind my question, what do you think of this site? http://www.horo.idv.tw Is it more reliable in terms of Zi Wei Dou Shu? The languages available (old chinese, simplified chinese) and english would suggest a more traditional and loyal approach to the essence of the words originally written in Chinese.

Andrea_ said:

Haha, charming is a nice word to describe the Zi Wei Dou Shu, and the explanations seem to encompass either the highest or the lowest form of a star's exression: it is like everything was taken from poetry and transformed into a basic readable material, and yet, i tried various sites and horo.idv.tw gave me a more complete feeling because it also provides a great deal of explanations.

Poyi, the story/explanation behind your name is fascinating If you don't mind my question, what do you think of this site? http://www.horo.idv.tw Is it more reliable in terms of Zi Wei Dou Shu? The languages available (old chinese, simplified chinese) and english would suggest a more traditional and loyal approach to the essence of the words originally written in Chinese.

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I used this site before. I do like the site and ok quality with free materials you can read and use. It does give you free chart and generic analysis, however the accuracy of the analysis is below average. Very generic, but not a bad start for beginner if you do understanding Chinese. I still sincerely encourage those to learn ZWDS from it natural form as poetry and traditional Chinese.