[FONT=굴]As for novile family aspects (40, 80 and 160) and semi-novile family aspects (20, 100 and 140), my observations are not confirming a dark side (such as explained by VeryVenus) but, rather, something more along the lines of a super-trine (perhaps too refined for the native to always know its there but instead an ability/facility so easily surging as to send one into a dervish whirlwind of joyous energy). Sorry for the poorly-crafted imagery but, e.g., in the case of Bonzo’s Merc/Ven novile Mars (if isolated from other aspects) a non-negative oversupply of projective but soft mental energy could be experienced such as could make someone a favored speaker.[/FONT]
I wanted to ask you for examples of your "observations" - for example, I provided two specific examples (which can be all traced to astrotheme, however dual chart needs to be displayed to illustrate specific TRANSITS I was talking about.). Where are your examples of specific "observations"?.. You speak of Bonzo's Merc/Ven novile Mars is a novile - first of all are you referring to
John Bonham's chart? I just looked it up and I only see a Novile from
Mars to Uranus, there's no noviles to Mercury. (Please specify so I can look it up, thanks! Also what is the date a mentioned "speaker position" was offered to him? )
...as I stated, a Novile can manifest in other
"karmic" events, all of which will seem fated "events" -- NEVER JUST "JOYOUS ENERGY". When we interpret natal horoscope, it's OK to go about interpreting traits but when it comes to Noviles and "novile family", they show
actual events that seem "fated" - we are talking about triggered astrological events, such as transits or primary directions...if you have natal Novile, it's triggered the same way: through planets in transits or in symbolic directions. It does not surround you as "joyous energy" all your life, like a cocoon. No super-trine of this nature exists!.
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To address number 40 this
is a mystical number - there are 40 weeks in pregnancy, and in the folklore the soul wanders about the Earth for 40 days before transcending. The Bible mentions that the wordly Flood has lasted 40 days; there are 40 days til Christ's resurrection. (can anybody else remember more examples of number 40?) There's predominant theme of "creation of something bigger than YOU", which I simply cannot see as "super-trine" (a trine is a harmony in a relationship and "pure joy" as well as esthetics, luxury and beauty, but if we were to dissect it, Venus which symbolizes the aspect trine, gives passiveness and inactivity which is concomitant to female nature of Venus; as well as sensuality, love, and everything connected with
sensory system such as music).
Novile is a Karmic aspect in connection of fatality , it gives a person a certain program showing NATURE-LIKE necessity and inability to avoid your "karmic lesson". Just like during influence of Pluto ( a highly transformational planet), we have to sum up whether benefics/malefics are present; and a third point in play inside this aspect. So let's go for formal operations:
135=90+45 (Mars+Neptune) SEMISQUARE
100=40+60 (Pluto+Saturn) SENTAGON
80 = 40+40 (Pluto+Pluto) Bi-Novile. Pluto as we know actualizes the themes of the 8th house, which can sometimes be very painful. But Pluto has other meanings as well which cannot be ignored (Death. Sex. Legacies and HUGE RICHE$ such as lottery. Resources of your Partner. Inheritance. ECT)
And with the addition of the third point (for example):
120-40=80 (Venus+Pluto).
And now for the semi-novile:
20=60-40 (Saturn-Pluto)
160=120+40 (Venus+Pluto) - This one is one of the "best" noviles, giving the most benefits. Perhaps if we can take a look at the "Bonzo" chart (which I don't have an access to right now) we can observe it, or there are other "guilty parties" at play?
The orb of inluence is 1 degree for planets, and 1.5 degrees for Luminaries.
So by utilizing the mathematical tools I just provided, it's possible to put on your scholar hat and calculate YOURSELF a whole deluge of astrological (COMBINED) aspects! (Without having to open one book, mind you!).
Lets for example take a whole new look at Quincux!!! In the book
" Psychodynamics of quincux" we read the following: "quincux or inconjunction symbolizes a different relationship of a person to himself and the world around him, which inevitably gives birth to self-limitations"
Now let's break down quincux and see what we get:
Mars (90)+ Saturn (60) = 150
Mars as initiative and action, meets "self imposed" limitation, and nevertheless achieves results, with Hard Work (Saturn). Let's not forget that Saturn is not only an old father figure but he is also the Great General and a Disciplinarian. He wants to "set you straight"!
Now, you can try your own interpretation.
But we can try a different formula - such as square plus sextile:
90+60 = 150
And once more we can take another view,
180 (opposition) - semisextile.
What do we see? That's right, we see two planets that function within stressful conditions. Quincux has the dynamics of Mrs, Mercury and Pluto and qualities of Aries, Virgo and Scorpio.
Let's formulate the rules of "combined aspects":
Aspect of Venus (120) cannot be interpreted as a sum of two aspects of Saturn or a sum of 3 aspects of Pluto, or a sum of Mars(90) and Mercury(30) - because the aspect of Venus is a
MAJOR ASPECT and thus it has its own autonomous Meaning. You cannot dissect an aspect of Mars because he is also considered "basic aspect". Opposition consists of Uranus (150) and Mercury(30) - largest of basic aspects has "absorbed" the smaller 120 aspect of Venus, thus the preference is to 150+30(uranus+mercury) to 120+60 (venus+saturn).
So to sum it up, the rule of "Combined Aspects" should be formed from 5 of the smallest aspects of "major group" in multiples of 30 (Aspect of Mercury) , by means of absorption of smaller aspects by larger aspects.
For example to calculate a semisextile, TRY TO FORMULATE YOUR OWN FORMULAE AND LET ME KNOW WHAT DO THEY ALL HAVE IN COMMON? THEN BASED ON THIS, CAN YOU GIVE ME AN INTERPRETATION?
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So all in all, yes, the opinions regarding these "minor aspects" vary from astrologer to astrologer; and regarding their "negative" or "positive" meaning we observe purely conditional meaning.
A new "combined aspect", formed from Pluto (40)+ Jupiter (72) = 112.
I dare you to check it out it's very interesting!
(let me add that Uranian astrology ignores completely the "aspects" focusing instead of Midpoint pictures. By analyzing aspects and midpoints we operate with THREE symbolic representation of the planet, each of which consist of their own characteristics, qualities, and meanings - which brings variability in interpretations). But now you are your own astrologer, and possess all the tools necessary to write your own interpretations, in all their range - the good, the bad, and the ugly.
At present time, we don't have one concrete aspect or midpoint that gives out exuberance of its entirety.
Every planet has negative and positive qualities.
For example lets look at the Trine (120=Venus) of Mercury and Mars
:
"Too Much mental energy. Great ability to express oneself, aspiring to form public opinion.
" (Reference from Astrological program Zet)
And now let's look at the midpoint: Ve=ME/MA.
Joy (Venus) from writing (Mercury), harmonious conversations(Mercury) about work(Mars), creative work in comminications such as reporting. (Reference to Udo Rudolf "ABC's of planetary pictures")
I hope the reader feels inspired and empowered from "dissecting" planetary aspects and midpoints to their very essence during analysis. \\yes, we are all guilty in labeling aspects 'super-bad' and 'super-good' based on our own experiences, while we need to be more subjective rather than one-sided; otherwise the reader will get limited idea from your "interpretational text", wherever you get it.\\
I urge you to learn more about aspects - major AND minor - because there's more to the aspects, than meets the eye.
VeryVenus.
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