Flapjacks
Well-known member
This thread has been very enjoyable and informative to read. Thank you everyone for contributing. I love Osamenor's questions.
No sign and house are the same. Even if 8th house has loosely been associated with Scorpio, it's not "the house of Scorpio", so there isn't quite the compatibility angle there, in my opinion. Greybeard said it best to take each planet individually and look at its condition, then you can evaluate the relationship to one another easier.
This also highlights the differences between Moon and Venus, which I think Jenny very eloquently described. I've noticed it's very easy for people to get confused between the functions of Moon and Venus. The inherent compatibility between the "whats" that you supposed is not there, either.
12th house and 8th house square is interesting. Those two planets are governing additionally confused domains. I still have trouble separating them.
12th house is isolation, oblivion, prison, release, metaphysical, the subconscious. 8th is secrets, resources of others, death and rebirth, sex, taxes. Both are heavy houses. The differences can also be seen as 8th is succedent (analogous to fixed) and 12th is cadent (analogous to mutable).
I'm going to add in addition to every else's comments about this square, which of course may be modified by other parts of the chart which we haven't been privy to.
Moon is in the 12th, in a mutable sign of Sagittarius. Moon requires freedom of anonymity. Moon needs room to breathe, and it needs to be able to contemplate the meaning of life without the influences and trappings of material existence. Moon would rather disregard the physical on all levels and flow freely in and out of existence, and Moon is highly principled, but this isn't always obvious because of the carefree attitude.
This is extremely different from Virgo (mutable) Venus in the 8th, in Fall. Venus wants something concrete to latch onto. Venus wants to have physical resources. Venus wants every detail controlled and under a microscope. Venus wants to have a lot of sex. Venus likes predictability. Venus is concerned about money.
I really like your friction analogy. How it can start fires, slow movement, be abrasive. Can you see how these two planets conditions might do these things?
I could see this square playing out as a need to learn to moderate resources. Either having too much or too little. Perhaps you feel the urge to get rid of everything, all you have, and go traveling, only to become uneasy with your condition, or your ability to take care of others and yourself in a physical way. Of feeling free and wanting control over your comfort and well-being or the comfort and well being of women in your life especially, and that started from early childhood.
But the questions I posted here to ask are about squares. Maybe it would be simpler to break it down this way:
1. How can planets be at cross purposes if their whats are quite compatible? How would a square between them make their whats incompatible?
and
2. If there's a square between a sign and its native house, how does that put them at cross purposes? Maybe my sun/north nodes square isn't a such a good example, so for simplicity's sake, I'll make it a theoretical question: if there's a square between a planet in Scorpio and a planet in the eighth house, which is the house of Scorpio, what does that really do? Eighth house and Scorpio should have a compatible message, shouldn't they? But if they're squared, what does that do? Does it make the parts of the psyche that they rule in conflict in some way?
No sign and house are the same. Even if 8th house has loosely been associated with Scorpio, it's not "the house of Scorpio", so there isn't quite the compatibility angle there, in my opinion. Greybeard said it best to take each planet individually and look at its condition, then you can evaluate the relationship to one another easier.
This also highlights the differences between Moon and Venus, which I think Jenny very eloquently described. I've noticed it's very easy for people to get confused between the functions of Moon and Venus. The inherent compatibility between the "whats" that you supposed is not there, either.
12th house and 8th house square is interesting. Those two planets are governing additionally confused domains. I still have trouble separating them.
12th house is isolation, oblivion, prison, release, metaphysical, the subconscious. 8th is secrets, resources of others, death and rebirth, sex, taxes. Both are heavy houses. The differences can also be seen as 8th is succedent (analogous to fixed) and 12th is cadent (analogous to mutable).
I'm going to add in addition to every else's comments about this square, which of course may be modified by other parts of the chart which we haven't been privy to.
Moon is in the 12th, in a mutable sign of Sagittarius. Moon requires freedom of anonymity. Moon needs room to breathe, and it needs to be able to contemplate the meaning of life without the influences and trappings of material existence. Moon would rather disregard the physical on all levels and flow freely in and out of existence, and Moon is highly principled, but this isn't always obvious because of the carefree attitude.
This is extremely different from Virgo (mutable) Venus in the 8th, in Fall. Venus wants something concrete to latch onto. Venus wants to have physical resources. Venus wants every detail controlled and under a microscope. Venus wants to have a lot of sex. Venus likes predictability. Venus is concerned about money.
I really like your friction analogy. How it can start fires, slow movement, be abrasive. Can you see how these two planets conditions might do these things?
I could see this square playing out as a need to learn to moderate resources. Either having too much or too little. Perhaps you feel the urge to get rid of everything, all you have, and go traveling, only to become uneasy with your condition, or your ability to take care of others and yourself in a physical way. Of feeling free and wanting control over your comfort and well-being or the comfort and well being of women in your life especially, and that started from early childhood.