Not necessarily. As usual, it will depend on several factors, which is why we usually use chart examples to explain. Take the "current transits" chart I just pulled up for a default location, and have attached.
Let's start with this:
Granted, the chart I attached is a night chart, but if it were a day chart Saturn still wouldn't be in his triplicity. I think (and <ahem> others can chime in here>) you are misunderstanding the idea behind the triplicity rulers, especially the participatory triplicity rulers.
You are absolutely correct. I have been misunderstanding participatory rulers when it comes to the chart.
[/QUOTE]The Sun rules the fire signs by day. At night, he is not diginified by triplicity if he is in a fire sign. Jupiter rules the fire signs by night; in a diurnal chart he does not have triplicity dignity if he is in a fire sign. Saturn, as the participatory ruler, does not get triplicity dignity in the day or night. [/QUOTE]
Right, I see. He would only have dignity if he were posited in an Air sign in a Diurnal chart. That's it.
[/QUOTE]Lilly used Ptolemy's triplicity rulers, which ignored the participating planet and gave Mars rulership of water by both day and night. The biggest reason most traditional astrologers use Dorothean triplicities is because Mars having water by day and night doesn't make sense, or even work very well. So for horary purposes the participating ruler isn't considered.[/QUOTE]
[/QUOTE]In natal charts it's a different story, which goes back to the nautical metaphor. Saturn rows the fire triplicity when there is no wind. A head scratcher for sure, but by the time of the Persians they had it figured out that the triplicity rulers of the topics took turns as time lords, and the 3rd or participatory ruler had say over the last third of the native's life covering those topics ruled.[/QUOTE]
So in this chart; when viewed as a natal chart he would be the ruler for a person beginning at roughly the age of 61. The areas of life that would be ruled by him would be the 11th house pertaining to ( success of collective adventures) and the 12th house (Powerlessness or animals which are ridden)
We would look at his his position which is public, and also take into account the aspects which are certainly tenuous with the square to Jupiter who is in his detriment, and moon as well ( who is in the sign of his detriment) so he would find no relief in the matters pertaining to the third portion of life.
[/QUOTE]Going back to the chart I have attached, we have out of sect, peregrine, retrograde Saturn on the midheaven, just past a square with his debilitated ruler in the 8th sign/7th house, and being applied to by a cadent yet pivotal Moon. Saturn will return what Moon is pushing, and because the Moon is pushing from Leo he will reject it as well. There is no honor in this Saturn, and unfortunately his extremely angular status means he has the ability to behave dishonorably in a very prominent fashion.[/QUOTE]
I can see this. Thank you so much Tsmall for your input. I appreciate you.