Question about Orbs

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Rik

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Hy,

I had a question with regards to orbs in my mind,so here it is:

If a conjunction (as an example),is activated up to 10°,does that mean that when 2 planets are 10°01' away from each other,the conjunction does not count anymore?
Or does it goes up to 10°59' and only after 11° the planets aren't aspecting each other?
I know there are exceptions with the Moon or the Sun,but if we put that away,what is the rule?

Rik
 
JUPITERASC

JUPITERASC

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Rik said:
Hy,

I had a question with regards to orbs in my mind,so here it is:

If a conjunction (as an example),is activated up to 10°,
does that mean that when 2 planets are 10°01' away from each other,
the conjunction does not count anymore?
Or does it goes up to 10°59' and only after 11° the planets aren't aspecting each other?
I know there are exceptions with the Moon or the Sun,
but if we put that away,what is the rule?

Rik
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No need to "put away" Sun and Moon :smile:
TABLE TO SHOW ORBS FOR ASPECTUAL CONTACT is a free study aid
illustrates aspectual contact that includes Sun, Moon, planets http://www.skyscript.co.uk/aspectorbs.html
 
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Rik

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And how his it with asteroids? :)

If my Ceres is at 0°42' Aquarius and my Venus at 6°19' Sag,what do you think,are they stil sextile?

Because the sextile orb I know is 5°7',that's why I'm asking.

Or do they count as outer because if yes,than that is 6°3,obviously
 
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TheIndianVenusian

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For asteroids,most people take a tight orb and consider conjunctions and oppositions more important than trines, sextiles and squares! At least this is what I've read in various forums
 
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Rik

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TheIndianVenusian said:
For asteroids,most people take a tight orb and consider conjunctions and oppositions more important than trines, sextiles and squares! At least this is what I've read in various forums
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I've read that too,,but I don't really believe in that.

Conjunctions are always going to be harder/stronger than trines or sextiles,that's just a fact,but I checked many of my asteroid aspects to pretty much everything that it aspected and I only used wide/normal orbs.In synastry as an example,my Juno at 28° conjuncts somebodys Leo ascendant at 22° and the description to this aspect was 100% accurate. Same with the Venus-Ceres one here (natal).

But that's just my experience and opinion.
Rik.
 
waybread

waybread

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Different astrologers make different allowances for orbs. I would:

1. Allow 5-7 degrees for a planet making a major aspect, 10 degrees for a luminary making a major aspect.

2. Allow 1-2 degrees at most for a planet or luminary making a minor aspect, such as a quintile, septile, novile, quincunx, semi-square, or sesqui-square.

3. Asteroids, chart angles, midpoints, Arabian parts, black moon Lilith, &c cast no orb. You can use a close orb of a planet or luminary conjunct one of them, but I would use only the conjunction. Midpoints should be pretty spot-on. (Note that each planetary pair has two midpoints, however: a near one and a far one.) Otherwise you can just make a chart mean anything you want.

4. Where you see a stellium in a sign or house, you can relax the orb slightly if the near and far planets are technically out of orb, because the planet/s in the middle act as a kind of bridge, notably via midpoints.

It might help to think of orbs like the volume on a radio. A close conjunction is so loud you cannot ignore it. But by the time the planets are 11 or 12 degrees out, the sound is so faint that other sounds in the room will be louder and more worthy of your attention.
 
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Rik

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waybread said:
Different astrologers make different allowances for orbs. I would:

1. Allow 5-7 degrees for a planet making a major aspect, 10 degrees for a luminary making a major aspect.

2. Allow 1-2 degrees at most for a planet or luminary making a minor aspect, such as a quintile, septile, novile, quincunx, semi-square, or sesqui-square.

3. Asteroids, chart angles, midpoints, Arabian parts, black moon Lilith, &c cast no orb. You can use a close orb of a planet or luminary conjunct one of them, but I would use only the conjunction. Midpoints should be pretty spot-on. (Note that each planetary pair has two midpoints, however: a near one and a far one.) Otherwise you can just make a chart mean anything you want.

4. Where you see a stellium in a sign or house, you can relax the orb slightly if the near and far planets are technically out of orb, because the planet/s in the middle act as a kind of bridge, notably via midpoints.

It might help to think of orbs like the volume on a radio. A close conjunction is so loud you cannot ignore it. But by the time the planets are 11 or 12 degrees out, the sound is so faint that other sounds in the room will be louder and more worthy of your attention.
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Well I do have a stellium of 4 in Sagittarius and if we count Chiron too,than 5. (All within 30° of course)

My Ceres is in Aquarius and my Venus is my first planet in the Stellium so this is a perfect example,thank you very much. :)
 
AppLeo

AppLeo

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Rik said:
Hy,

I had a question with regards to orbs in my mind,so here it is:

If a conjunction (as an example),is activated up to 10°,does that mean that when 2 planets are 10°01' away from each other,the conjunction does not count anymore?
Or does it goes up to 10°59' and only after 11° the planets aren't aspecting each other?
I know there are exceptions with the Moon or the Sun,but if we put that away,what is the rule?

Rik
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After lots of thinking, I like to think of orbs as determining how strong the aspect is. So a conjunct just barely over 10 degrees doesn't make it completely not a conjunction anymore; it probably just makes it very dull. The smaller the orb, the more apparent the aspect it.
 
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Rik

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AppLeo said:
After lots of thinking, I like to think of orbs as determining how strong the aspect is. So a conjunct just barely over 10 degrees doesn't make it completely not a conjunction anymore; it probably just makes it very dull. The smaller the orb, the more apparent the aspect it.
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Hmm,this sh*t makes sense! :D
 
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Rik

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If we are discussing asteroids now,than i will post this question here because nobody answered my original post,so:

What does it mean when my Nessus Is in conjunction with somebodys Vertex? The whole thing is tighter than 5° and in Capricorn.My Nessus is in the 10th House (ruled by capricorn in my chart,and my Nessus isn't conjuncting my MC) and her vertex is in her 5th house ruled by Sagittarius.Her Anti-vertex is conjuncting my Jupiter tho.

Rik
 
AppLeo

AppLeo

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Rik said:
If we are discussing asteroids now,than i will post this question here because nobody answered my original post,so:

What does it mean when my Nessus Is in conjunction with somebodys Vertex? The whole thing is tighter than 5° and in Capricorn.My Nessus is in the 10th House (ruled by capricorn in my chart,and my Nessus isn't conjuncting my MC) and her vertex is in her 5th house ruled by Sagittarius.Her Anti-vertex is conjuncting my Jupiter tho.

Rik
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Hmm.. I'd say any aspect involving astroids needs to have an orb of 2 degrees or less. That's just what I think.
 
AppLeo

AppLeo

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Rik said:
And if we go with the theory that it shouldn't?
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The vertex isn't really that prominent or important from what I've seen in astrology because it's debatable about what it actually is. So even if your nessus is affecting her vertex, I don't think that would really mean much. If your nessus conjuncted her sun or moon then that would be a huge significator of abuse or whatever nessus represents.

But if you think nessus is important with jupiter and all then you're probably prone to abuse her because that's what nessus is when it's touching something important in another persons chart.
 
JUPITERASC

JUPITERASC

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Rik said:
And if we go with the theory that it shouldn't?
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Then we simply choose our own orbs
because everyone is entitled to their own opinion :smile:
some astrologers favor orbs of two degrees
while others favor five, seven, ten degrees or more
is entirely a matter of individual choice
 
Kitchy

Kitchy

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Rik said:
Hy,

I had a question with regards to orbs in my mind,so here it is:

If a conjunction (as an example),is activated up to 10°,does that mean that when 2 planets are 10°01' away from each other,the conjunction does not count anymore?
Or does it goes up to 10°59' and only after 11° the planets aren't aspecting each other?
I know there are exceptions with the Moon or the Sun,but if we put that away,what is the rule?

Rik
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If there is an intermediary planet in aspect to the two planets' with wider orb of conjunction - it offers itself as a shrinker of orb and it can take on a lot of power and energy position between the the more distantly conjunct planets, but it brings them together in more intense recognition of each other through the 3rd party.

The conjunct planets will find strength, belonging or wrenching, from the intermediary planet which links both through it's joint aspect to them.

Example

I have Sun at 5'52 Aquarius , and Mercury 19'24 Aquarius - a 13 degree distance, both in 7th house. By themselves, they have no connective aspect.

However - Neptune is 11'14 Scorpio, squaring both Sun and Merc. There has to be recognition of each other through Neptune's relationship to the two.

Example:

Joey knows a guy from the same neighborhood who knows a guy from the same neighborhood but Joey doesn't know the third guy too well, but Joey's guy introduced Joey to the other guy and now the three of them always hang out together in the neighborhood.

The variable of the relation can be positive or negative, but they will certainly know each other through the intermediary.
 
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Rik

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Kitchy said:
If there is an intermediary planet in aspect to the two planets' with wider orb of conjunction - it offers itself as a shrinker of orb and it can take on a lot of power and energy position between the the more distantly conjunct planets, but it brings them together in more intense recognition of each other through the 3rd party.

The conjunct planets will find strength, belonging or wrenching, from the intermediary planet which links both through it's joint aspect to them.

Example

I have Sun at 5'52 Aquarius , and Mercury 19'24 Aquarius - a 13 degree distance, both in 7th house. By themselves, they have no connective aspect.

However - Neptune is 11'14 Scorpio, squaring both Sun and Merc. There has to be recognition of each other through Neptune's relationship to the two.

Example:

Joey knows a guy from the same neighborhood who knows a guy from the same neighborhood but Joey doesn't know the third guy too well, but Joey's guy introduced Joey to the other guy and now the three of them always hang out together in the neighborhood.

The variable of the relation can be positive or negative, but they will certainly know each other through the intermediary.
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Thanks Joey.
 
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Rik

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AppLeo said:
The vertex isn't really that prominent or important from what I've seen in astrology because it's debatable about what it actually is. So even if your nessus is affecting her vertex, I don't think that would really mean much. If your nessus conjuncted her sun or moon then that would be a huge significator of abuse or whatever nessus represents.

But if you think nessus is important with jupiter and all then you're probably prone to abuse her because that's what nessus is when it's touching something important in another persons chart.
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Lol what,my Nessus ain't touching her sh*t! Only her Anti-vertex is conjuncting MY Jupiter...
 
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