Kate, thank you for that response. It appears that your future SIL is a good example for us to use through which both of us can learn more about this natal aspect. As with most astrological aspects, only the most extreme expressions of this aspect have been drawn to my attention, so examining someone who does not appear to possess the most common expressions of this aspect is both a challenge and a frustration!
Firstly, the `Leo issue'. As a Leo Sun myself, I know all about the fragile Leo ego, and how brashness and false confidence can cover a vast well of insecurities and uncertainties,
especially in young Leo males. Beneath the Leo veneer no doubt resides the real man within, and he no doubt has all the doubts and wounds and uncertainties of all other mortal beings. Now, whether - and to whom - he is prepared to expose that soft interior will depend upon how much he is invested in that persona. The Sagi Asc can add to that `I'm fine, thank you' approach to the world around him. I'll leave that topic, but I thought it worth mentioning, because with a young Leo, what you see is not always what is really there, and the Leo ego is especially fragile.
What I wanted to convey in this post is related to the male family members - the father, and his two sons, where one is functional, and the other has crashed and burned, and yet the father is putting all his energy into protecting and assisting the older son. I had this thought last night, and I suspect I may be on to something, although I'm not sure you'll be able to discover whether what I suspect is actually true,
Sometimes (maybe often) the son(s) are showing the father something about himself. In reviewing the charts of some of those people I know with the Chiron-Saturn opposition, it is possible to see how their fathers have been the ones on whose behalf this aspect is activated - either by tr Chiron squaring the opposition, or the return of Saturn to its natal position. What I'm saying is that within this aspect is a message to the native's father, and then it's up to the father to interpret the message correctly, by acting upon it in a way which (may) heal the wound in his own family line.
So ... this is how I see it. The two sons are the two extremes of the father's personality. The younger son is the functional, responsible face that the father shows the world. It is how he is seen by others. The older son is the father's shadow. Perhaps the father grappled with alcohol/drugs when young, or maybe not. Perhaps there is within the father a desire to throw off his public and responsible personality, and to just do what he wants - to be irresponsible and spontaneous for a change. Thus, to hide his desire to let his hair down occasionally, the father must pretend that this part of himself does not exist, and so he has to effectively `hide' that by helping his older son, and doing everything he can to make his erratic behaviour go away.
Now, why it is the younger son has the aspect, and (I'm assuming) the older son doesn't, I can't say.
And maybe the older son's behaviour has never been explored personally by the father, but may have been by someone within the paternal family line. Maybe there is a weakness there which is felt by all the men in the line of heredity, but only acted out by one or two.
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And I often find that an example of what I am proposing is one way of illustrating a situation. The example I have chosen is David Hicks, (DOB: 7th August 1975) an Australian man who was detained as a terrorist in Guantanamo Bay for 6 years between 2001-2007. He has Chiron (in Aries) squaring his (Cancer) Saturn. He was a `troubled' teen, having been expelled from his high school at age 14, and getting involved in petty crimes throughout his teens. He was born into a working class family, and began travelling the world in search of his own masculine expression and identity. He was discovered in Afghanistan, post 9/11, hanging out with Al Quaida, and immediately labelled a dangerous terrorist, and shipped off the Guantanamo Bay.
Long story short, after David had been incarcerated for a time, and unable to find a way through the `system', his father, (who had never given a speech in his life, and had never wanted anything more than to attend the football on a Saturday, and to work at his job 5 days/week) began a campaign of speaking to the media, and travelling to US to speak with military lawyers, and even appearing on US media; his aim initially was to draw the attention of the world to what had happened to his son, and ultimately, to get him out of that place. This man, working class and of limited education, loved his son so much that he went so far beyond his comfort zone as to be on another planet altogether. But his persistence paid off, and eventually David was released, and is now living back in Australia.
After having had a quick look at David Hicks' astrology at the time of his return to Australia (I can find no time of birth for him) it hit me that
he had gone through what he had to go through for his father's benefit. David thought he'd gone to the Middle East in search of his warrior self, but
all along he'd ended up incarcerated, with no hope of being released, so that his father could access his own inner warrior. That small realisation gave me a whole new outlook towards fathers and sons, and why certain men have the children they have. And perhaps it's also the information I need in order to fully understand Chiron-Saturn aspects.
And furthermore, I began this thread because my grandson has this aspect ........
When he was 2 and a half, and his mother's family denied my son access for 6 months, there was a time when my son wanted to let the child go, and not see him any more. Then my oldest son spoke to him, telling him a few home truths about how this might affect the child, so the child's father sought legal help (he is Libra Sun, so the legal system, whilst bewildering to most, was something he navigated quite comfortably. He'd spend hours at night on the internet, trawling the Family Law Act. As distressing as the process was for him, with the law he was in his element.)
So ... as I see it, the child was taken from my son so that he could prove himself worthy of being his son's father. In a way, the long process my son had to endure to gain custody of the child was a similar journey to the one taken by Terry Hicks, father of David Hicks.
This sort of thing is what makes astrology live for me !!!