The planets don't influence you
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Julia Karmic Astrology
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It is quite likely that the relationship between the stars and humans is bi-directional.
That is, the cosmos influences us, but we in turn influence the cosmos.
Everything is connected, everything part of a whole.
Unfortunately humans have not quite understood this, and tend to think of themselves as helpless victims of the stars. This is simply not true.
Julia
Yes, I agree. We are not helpless victims. But it takes a certain level of conscious awareness to realize that.
I would say it's mostly a question of identity, of how we define ourselves. And depending on that definition we will find different explanations more or less appealing. Someone who has experienced unity consciousness will have no problem with Bashar's explanation. While someone who experiences himself as the mere mortal biological being as science describes it, will find the Bashar explanation laughable.
I would say it's mostly a question of identity, of how we define ourselves. And depending on that definition we will find different explanations more or less appealing. Someone who has experienced unity consciousness will have no problem with Bashar's explanation. While someone who experiences himself as the mere mortal biological being as science describes it, will find the Bashar explanation laughable.
waybread
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An interesting quote, Muchacho!
I'd put it slightly differently, that souls incarnate with particular teaching and learning goals in mind. In order to pursue their goals, souls have to choose a particular time, place, and set of circumstances with which to incarnate. Among those circumstances will be challenges and assets.
This is what the chart shows us.
Are you familiar with the Jane Roberts Seth books? Seth was supposedly a disincarnate entity channelled by Roberts while she was in a trance state. Even if the metaphysics in these books is entirely her own, they are still remarkable. One major theme is that people choose their own reality, and that our thoughts of reality then manifest in seemingly material circumstances.
I'd put it slightly differently, that souls incarnate with particular teaching and learning goals in mind. In order to pursue their goals, souls have to choose a particular time, place, and set of circumstances with which to incarnate. Among those circumstances will be challenges and assets.
This is what the chart shows us.
Are you familiar with the Jane Roberts Seth books? Seth was supposedly a disincarnate entity channelled by Roberts while she was in a trance state. Even if the metaphysics in these books is entirely her own, they are still remarkable. One major theme is that people choose their own reality, and that our thoughts of reality then manifest in seemingly material circumstances.
I don't know, for example almost every Taurus I've met is hard-working, meticulous, sensual and super shallow, cool/laid back, and somewhat b**chy as well as passive aggressive. I don't think it's accurate to say the planets have no influence. The moon is well known to have an effect just ask any ER or police station on a full moon. The earth itself influences people with its energy. Why would the planets be any different?
Yes, I'm familiar with the Seth material. According to Seth, what incarnates are fragments of an entity (or soul) and all these incarnations are happening simultaneously and are experienced simultaneously on the entity level, which kinda destroys the popular concept of karma.
I've got some interesting quotes from Seth about astrology, too. I'll post some at a later time.
Julia Karmic Astrology
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I love the Seth material, and would be very interested in the references to astrology!
I see Seth's comments about simultaneous lifetimes as quite consistent with current karmic thought. Many of us no longer believe in the idea of sequential single lifetimes. Time is certainly not linear nor chronological. I have conducted a number of past life regressions, and it is apparent that souls are fragmented and time is fluid, circular or spiral. And everything is probably happening now. That is why healing a past life heals us in the present and future lives.
Very interesting discussion! Thank you.
Julia
I really love this thought. In a way, the soul has already crystallised our physical reality before birth and we are actually just living it out ..and navigating it. Like a video game.
Not sure if you are familiar with Abraham-Hicks, but they say that you can't possibly know if your visions of a past life were actually from one of your own past lives or the past life of someone else because you only have access to what is of a similar vibration. So the past life visions you experience have more to do with your vibrational state of being right here right now than anything else. Does that resonate somehow?
Yeah, Abraham-Hicks compare it to a vacation. You've read your travel guide, chosen your itinerary and then off you go. But the destinations on your list are not mandatory. You can change your itinerary any time or even call off the entire vacation any time and go home.
Seth quotes on astrology are extremely rare. He doesn't talk much about it. Here's a quote:
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Amazing ! So does that mean we are sent here to extinguish our karma but end up attracting more in the process ? 😃
Julia Karmic Astrology
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Yes I am familiar with the Abraham-Hicks material.
We don't really know if the all past life information in the natal chart, past life regression, or psychic readings are literally true. It is possible that this information is a downloaded set of symbolic stories. Which could be connected to certain vibrational levels as you suggest.
It doesn't really matter, the bottom line is that the material is given to us for a reason.
To help us achieve soul growth and purpose.
Julia
Julia Karmic Astrology
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The quote was not allowed under the TOS, it was too lengthy.
But karmic astrologers have long understood these concepts.
Julia
waybread
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I re-read one of Jane Roberts' Seth books last winter but it has been a long time since I've read the others. He confirms reincarnation but I don't recall him agreeing with karma in a Hindu sense.
Basically he says that people incarnate into the kind of life that will best promote their learning experiences and soul growth. If they incarnate into a rotten life, it's not that they're being punished; but that perhaps over a previous life of harming other people, their soul growth depends upon experiencing life from the victim's perspective. But this is a choice, not a deterministic punishment.
I was pleasantly surprised in reading Jim Tucker's books Life Before Life and Return to Life, that Seth's perspective correlates with his own findings. Tucker is a MD and professor of child psychiatry at the University of Virginia. His scientific credentials are legit. Tucker's research field is interviewing young children who claim to remember past lives, and then trying to track down through a lot of detective work, whether the person the child recalled actually lived, and had a life corresponding to the child's recollections. Some of Tucker's findings are just uncanny, like a young boy who talked about events and friends that matched the life of a downed young WW II pilot.
But again, Tucker found no evidence that the present life functioned as some kind of reward or punishment for the previous life.
Seth says that all time is simultaneous. A shift for the better in one reality alters the other realities.
Basically he says that people incarnate into the kind of life that will best promote their learning experiences and soul growth. If they incarnate into a rotten life, it's not that they're being punished; but that perhaps over a previous life of harming other people, their soul growth depends upon experiencing life from the victim's perspective. But this is a choice, not a deterministic punishment.
I was pleasantly surprised in reading Jim Tucker's books Life Before Life and Return to Life, that Seth's perspective correlates with his own findings. Tucker is a MD and professor of child psychiatry at the University of Virginia. His scientific credentials are legit. Tucker's research field is interviewing young children who claim to remember past lives, and then trying to track down through a lot of detective work, whether the person the child recalled actually lived, and had a life corresponding to the child's recollections. Some of Tucker's findings are just uncanny, like a young boy who talked about events and friends that matched the life of a downed young WW II pilot.
But again, Tucker found no evidence that the present life functioned as some kind of reward or punishment for the previous life.
Seth says that all time is simultaneous. A shift for the better in one reality alters the other realities.
That's the linear time perspective. As Seth says, your future lives influence your current life, your current life changes your past lives and your future lives. So before and after doesn't really apply which makes it difficult to apply the conventional ideas of purpose and meaning in this context.
Yeah, what you can be sure of is that whatever you are receiving is a perfect vibrational match to your current state of being.
But this last bit about soul growth and purpose, that's exactly where Abraham-Hicks would disagree.