Where is Saturn in my chart

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anwerfatehy

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This is my chart
http://imgur.com/pXlesY8
Or
https://imageshack.us/i/plC5Aznmj
Or
https://postimg.cc/B85jCLcK

I am not sure where is Saturn in my natal chart
It's in the end of the first house 4 degrees from the second house
But Some say it's in my first house the other say it's in the second
I certainly hope it isn't in my second house !
Note that :
-Saturn is retrograde
-I had Depression and toothache problem's most of my life and Saturn in the first house rules this diseases
-all my life my financial situation was not good or bad until my first Saturn transit in Sagittarius when I was 30 year old, and that was 3 years ago, then I became broke and penniless and I haven't been able to change and fix that since then, no work no luck no help from anyone !

If Saturn was in my second house is that mean that I will be poor for the rest of my life and I will have to work hard so I can earn money to just stay alive?

I also had the second house in Sagittarius and ruled by Jupiter that is well aspected in the 5th house the house of luck and also it's ruler
And i have Venus as the almuten figuris
And the planet mars that rules the first house is in conjunction with the lucky fixed star "vega"

Is this mean that I will earn money by luck ? And when that will happen ?
 
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three M symbols

Well-known member
A lot of people are used to say that a planet 5° before an house cusp is a part of this next house. (so, your 2nd).

Having Saturn in 2nd house doesn't mean you will be poor for the rest of your life. You have experienced that, but it's not forever.
This placement mean you need to do things steps by steps in this area, with patience & structure, and you have a frustration about 2nd house topics because of your fear to never have enough ressources to live. Even if you where rich, you'll can feel like that, until you resolve this problem.
 
JUPITERASC

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
anwerfatehy said:
This is my chart
http://imgur.com/pXlesY8
Or
https://imageshack.us/i/plC5Aznmj
Or
https://postimg.cc/B85jCLcK

I am not sure where is Saturn in my natal chart
It's in the end of the first house 4 degrees from the second house
But Some say it's in my first house the other say it's in the second
I certainly hope it isn't in my second house !
Note that :
-Saturn is retrograde
-I had Depression and toothache problem's most of my life and Saturn in the first house rules this diseases
-all my life my financial situation was not good or bad until my first Saturn transit in Sagittarius when I was 30 year old, and that was 3 years ago, then I became broke and penniless and I haven't been able to change and fix that since then, no work no luck no help from anyone !

If Saturn was in my second house is that mean that I will be poor for the rest of my life and I will have to work hard so I can earn money to just stay alive?

I also had the second house in Sagittarius and ruled by Jupiter that is well aspected in the 5th house the house of luck and also it's ruler
And i have Venus as the almuten figuris
And the planet mars that rules the first house is in conjunction with the lucky fixed star "vega"

Is this mean that I will earn money by luck ? And when that will happen ?
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Different astrologers give you different answers dependent on the house system they use :smile:

there is much mess and confusion in the area of the so-called "houses"
i.e.

There are at least twenty or thirty different house systems
or means of dividing the so-called "birthchart"
into twelve segments of life activity.
In astrology, houses, mansions, or domains, represent general areas of life activity
and are the grounding areas or arenas of expression for planets.
Originally,

the words "houses" and "signs" were interchangeable
A planet in the SIGN of Aries was also a planet in the HOUSE of Aries :smile:

so that in effect. there were no real houses as we know them today

today however
the house location of a planet may change
DEPENDENT ON THE HOUSE SYSTEM CHOSEN
for example
Whole Sign House system has no intercepted houses ever
ascendant sign becomes the whole first house
and the other houses follow.
ASCENDANT POINT ITSELF can then fall anywhere in the first house
and
MIDHEAVEN POINT anywhere in the upper half of the chart.

Placidus is simply the default
ASTROSEEK offers WHOLE SIGN HOUSES calculation at https://horoscopes.astro-seek.com/traditional-astrology
The Whole Sign House system was used by the ancient Greeks
and the Hindus (who still use it today).
It is the oldest and simplest house system in existence
and immediately eliminates the
awful mess astrologers have made on the issue over the last 1300 years or so


Artificial divisions now known as houses
were attempts by early Greeks and Hindus to measure strength "points" in the horoscope
which during 7th and 8th centuriesAD were construed or confused
as means of dividing the birth chart.
The ascendant and midheaven degrees and their opposites, for example,
were definite power points or areas of intense focus
but not necessarily the beginnings of a house or quadrant.


discussion threads at :
WHOLE SIGNS http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ad.php?t=42163
WHOLE SIGN OR PLACIDUS http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ad.php?t=39669[/QUOTE]
 
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anwerfatehy

Member
three M symbols said:
A lot of people are used to say that a planet 5° before an house cusp is a part of this next house. (so, your 2nd).

Having Saturn in 2nd house doesn't mean you will be poor for the rest of your life. You have experienced that, but it's not forever.
This placement mean you need to do things steps by steps in this area, with patience & structure, and you have a frustrating about 2nd house topics because of your fear to never have enough ressources to live. Even if you where rich, you'll can feel like that, until you resolve this problem.
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Thank you for responding
But I don't understand the problem
I don't have any fear like that!
I have frustration because I am broke for 3 years with no money and no job!
I live on money equal to 15 dollar a month!
 
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anwerfatehy

Member
JUPITERASC said:
Different astrologers give you different answers dependent on the house system they use :smile:

there is much mess and confusion in the area of the so-called "houses"
i.e.

There are at least twenty or thirty different house systems
or means of dividing the so-called "birthchart"
into twelve segments of life activity.
In astrology, houses, mansions, or domains, represent general areas of life activity
and are the grounding areas or arenas of expression for planets.
Originally,

the words "houses" and "signs" were interchangeable
A planet in the SIGN of Aries was also a planet in the HOUSE of Aries :smile:

so that in effect. there were no real houses as we know them today

today however
the house location of a planet may change
DEPENDENT ON THE HOUSE SYSTEM CHOSEN
for example
Whole Sign House system has no intercepted houses ever
ascendant sign becomes the whole first house
and the other houses follow.
ASCENDANT POINT ITSELF can then fall anywhere in the first house
and
MIDHEAVEN POINT anywhere in the upper half of the chart.

Placidus is simply the default
ASTROSEEK offers WHOLE SIGN HOUSES calculation at https://horoscopes.astro-seek.com/traditional-astrology
The Whole Sign House system was used by the ancient Greeks
and the Hindus (who still use it today).
It is the oldest and simplest house system in existence
and immediately eliminates the
awful mess astrologers have made on the issue over the last 1300 years or so


Artificial divisions now known as houses
were attempts by early Greeks and Hindus to measure strength "points" in the horoscope
which during 7th and 8th centuriesAD were construed or confused
as means of dividing the birth chart.
The ascendant and midheaven degrees and their opposites, for example,
were definite power points or areas of intense focus
but not necessarily the beginnings of a house or quadrant.


discussion threads at :
WHOLE SIGNS http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ad.php?t=42163
WHOLE SIGN OR PLACIDUS http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ad.php?t=39669
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Thank you
 
T

three M symbols

Well-known member
Sorry, your situation seems very difficult.. This can be Saturn return.

I suggest you to create a new thread in the category "read my chart", with a tilte about your need for help in work area. More people will be able to answer you, and give you ideas or advices about what you can do for improving your situation

I wish you all the best
 
JUPITERASC

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
anwerfatehy said:
Thank you for responding
But I don't understand the problem
I don't have any fear like that!
I have frustration

because I am broke for 3 years

with no money and no job!
I live on money equal to 15 dollar a month!
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Fact is, if local economy of your country is not prosperous
then that explains the difficulty
you are doing your best :smile:
 
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