sailormoon1234
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Do different sites calculations, or house systems really affect the houses and change the chart that much?
DefinitelyDo different sites calculations, or house systems
really affect the houses
and change the chart that much?
Definitely
there is much mess and confusion in the area of the so-called "houses"
There are at least twenty or thirty different house systems
or means of dividing the so-called "...birthchart..."
into twelve segments of life activity.
In astrology, houses, mansions, or domains
represent general areas of life activity
and are the grounding areas
or arenas of expression for planets.
Originally, the words "...houses..." and "...signs..." were interchangeable
and so
any planet in the SIGN of Aries
was also a planet in the HOUSE of Aries
so that in effect there were no real houses as we know them today
today however
the house location of a planet may change
DEPENDENT ON THE HOUSE SYSTEM CHOSEN
for example
Whole Sign House system:
ascendant sign becomes the whole first house
and the other houses follow.
ASCENDANT POINT ITSELF
can then fall anywhere in the first house
and
MIDHEAVEN POINT anywhere in the upper half of the chart.
Placidus is simply the default
ASTROSEEK offers WHOLE SIGN HOUSES calculation at https://horoscopes.astro-seek.com/traditional-astrology
The Whole Sign House system was used by the ancient Greeks
and the Hindus who still use it today
It is the oldest and simplest house system in existence
and immediately eliminates the awful mess
astrologers have made on the issue over the last 1300 years or so
Artificial divisions now known as houses
were attempts by early Greeks and Hindus
to measure strength "...points..." in the horoscope
which during 7th and 8th centuries AD were construed
or confused
as means of dividing the birth chart.
for example
The ascendant and midheaven degrees and their opposites
were definite power points or areas of intense focus
but not necessarily the beginnings of a house or quadrant.
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Thank you so much for the insightful response!
Is there a reason why Placidus is now used as the default house system?
A system can change the look of your chart but it won't change your actual LIFE.
IN other words, manipulating a chart so that you ''like'' it better will not keep all the challenges you face from your door.
And conversely, all the good luck.
LIN
I didn't come to this conclusion casually. Or quickly. I have had clients in the past who felt their time of birth was off. They didn't like the interpretations I gave. They felt I was ''accentuating the negative''.
NOw they didn't say I wasn't accurate ....just that they felt I was negative. So I decided that I needed to face this question.
I had friends and clients who had had very traumatic events in their lives....from early loss of parent, being adopted, losing a child....a lot of major issues.
There was also the question of ASC.
If I used a dawn chart or a noon chart, would the ''outcome'' of the interpretation conflict with the original?
No matter what times I used, what charts I used, the core interpretation of just about everything was the same. The houses might be different, true. But the rulers of the houses and THEIR aspects replaced the original data in the first interpretations.
No matter how I fooled around with the times and styles, the bottom line was the same. It didn't change the way the person would experience his/her life.
The chart is a hypothetical circle and the planets are representatives of impulses.
It's all symbolic. We need to look beyond the hypothetical ''lines'' of demarcation in the chart. There are no lines in the heavens. We use these lines so that WE can make sense out of what is unknowable any other way.
If you don't believe me, try it yourself with someone you know very well. But you have to be willing to go deeply into the delineation. You need to deconstruct it and see each detail before looking at whole pictures.
Don't get me wrong. In order to construct progressions, one must have a time chart.
Or do we? Yes, if we are trying to ''time'' events to weeks or even a month. But if we are looking for a trend change, we really don't need an exact time of birth. Often we don't HAVE an exact time.
There are knowables that are true no matter which chart style we use....no matter what time of day we use.
If you want to try this use the life of someone for whom you have an accurate time line. See the transits which were activated at the important times of that person's life.
Then use noon. Redo the chart and put those same transits on for those defining dates and I think you will see the SAME outcome.
You could use someone who died too young - maybe tragically. Someone with a dramatic life where the dates of dramatic and important happenings are of public record...like JFK or Princess Diana...
I could never believe that Princess Diana would still be alive if we used a different style of chart to study her life.
And in the same way the dramatic events in our lives, our personal challenges don't change depending upon the chart system we use.
Think about this.....
LIN
I'd just like to add one thing: I am reminded of Joseph Campbell's thoughts on the symbolic ....and that often we err by getting ''caught up in the metaphor.'' I think we need to realize that astrology is NOT an ''occult'' art.
It's a process of reading metaphorical images to reflect the reality of a person's life. What is SO will be true no matter which chart style we use. The best way to read it correctly is to have a LOT of experience doing so.
There has to be a defaultThank you so much for the insightful response!
Is there a reason why Placidus is now used as the default house system?
You don't have to use house systems.
Ptolemy's body of work implies that they are irrational
and not based on sound astrological logic/astronomical phenomenon.
Houses add important detailVery fascinating!
Would it be best then to just calculate a chart without houses?
WHOLE SIGN HOUSE simply one whole sign = one whole houseSo is there an online calculator that eliminates the houses completely?
Definitely
BECAUSE
Originally
"...houses..."
and
"...signs..."
were interchangeable
and so
any planet in the SIGN of Aries
was also a planet in the HOUSE of Aries
so that in effect there were no real houses as we know them today
Whole Sign House system:
ascendant sign becomes the whole first house
and the other houses follow.
ASCENDANT POINT ITSELF
can then fall anywhere in the first house
and
MIDHEAVEN POINT anywhere in the upper half of the chart.
ASTROSEEK offers WHOLE SIGN HOUSES calculation at https://horoscopes.astro-seek.com/traditional-astrology