Yes, it does. So to make sure I'm getting it, the co-significator tells you more about the individual or thing and it's state, but you wouldn't use it instead of the primary significator? As in, it speaks to motivation or state of mind and not so much to the actions of the significator?
Yes. In an Horary on financial matters, regardless of the Signs involved, Jupiter always signifies wealth. If Jupiter is not the primary significator of wealth, then Jupiter is co-significator, and his condition will tell you the general state/condition of the Querent's wealth now.
In Questions on Buying/Selling, regardless of the Signs involved, the Planet that signifies the object being bought or sold will be co-significator, and tell you the the general state of the object, so you'd want to pay attention if it was in Smoky, Dark or Empty Degrees as that might indicate flaws that the Seller is not aware.
Sect Ruler always indicates the Querent's current health state. It doesn't mean the person is disease-free or not suffering chronic illnesses, it just means their current present condition is stable; good; or whatever.
There will be times when Moon is primary significator for someone/something, and you'll need to use the Triplicity Rulers to differentiate. You don't ignore Moon, but you do modify Moon's condition based on the condition of the Triplicity Rulers.
Personally I prefer Porphyry because even I can figure out the logic in that one.
I use Porphyry for Mundane, and Alcabitius for Natal.
I'll give you a perfect example: 2012 Aries Ingress Chart for USA -- Porphyry, Placidus, Koch...it doesn't matter.
Libra MC with Retrograde Saturn in Libra 10th and Venus -- Obama -- in the 8th House/Sign.
Is that what happened? Nope.
Whole Sign: Virgo 10th House, Ruler Mercury Retrograde/Combust in 8th Sign/House with Sun.
Is that what happened? Nope.
A lot of people got it wrong, because they didn't read it right. Virgo is the 10th Sign and represents government, but Libra MC represents the "king" which was Venus in Taurus 9th House and had separated from Jupiter (but is heading toward a far-distant Malefic).
That's what happened.
If this were a relationship chart then my advice would be for the partner to take out a restraining order.
Uh, I was just kidding. Actually, you want to concern yourself with Human Signs -- Aquarius, Gemini, Libra, Virgo and the last 10° of Sagittarius, since that indicates a possibility of violence by humans if other factors support it.
Ok, so in figuring out our significators we go by counting signs and not cusps. You do realize this makes reading the chart easier?
You can try your new-found skills here....
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=64899
Moon in Scorpio in the 10th House, but isn't Scorpio the 12th Sign in this Chart?
Is that not actually descriptive of the Querent?
My first question relates to joys. Are they based on the houses or signs? In other words, is Sun in joy here?
Yes, every Planet joys in an House and except for Moon & Sun, every Planet joys in a Sign --- they have two of them, and they prefer one over the other, and they even prefer certain Signs in Day/Night.
I'm guessing your question is actually when looking at Planetary Joys by House, do we look at Houses by Signs, or Houses by Cusps?
I don't know, but I'm inclined to believe it is by Sign. The Moon Joys in the 3rd House, because the 3rd Sign/House makes a sextile to the 1st House/Sign.
Note that Sun Joys in the 9th, opposite Moon, and that Sun/Moon oppositions are generally not good. If I had to guess, I'd say that the 3rd and 9th Houses/Signs being Cadent reduces the harm they could cause each other.
Suffice to say I still do not fully grasp the logic behind Planetary Joys by House and don't know the origin of that doctrine.
The second is about synodic cycles. You remember when you first learned to read, and how you'd skip over the words you didn't understand hoping you'd be able to figure it out by reading the rest? It's like that. Saturn is about to station direct...is he in his second station or first? Second, right? Meaning what ever Saturn signifies hopes for good, and with good reason since it's likely to be granted?
All of the Superior Planets go into their 1st Station rising east of the Sun where they are strongest. They stay retrograde until their 2nd Station, when they are rising west of Sun, and they are weaker than being east of the Sun.
Being retrograde before they go On-Station, they are reluctant, filled with doubt, hesitant, unsure, frightened (a lot will depend on the Sign they are in and aspects made to them) and so on, because they don't want to be burned by the Sun. Then they run away from Sun, but it's a losing battle because Sun is faster, and will catch and burn them.
It's sort of cathartic.
There's this thing that you must do, or must be done to you, or event that is going to happen, and you dread it, but can't stop it, and so entering Combustion is like "
get it over with already."
Then you're Cazimi -- healed, renewed, re-energized, re-born or whatever, and then you're Combust again, but you're escaping.
And isn't Jupiter about to set into the beams making him weaker? Or am I completely misunderstanding this too?
If being Combust is powerlessness or helplessness, then being Under Beams is like Combust-Lite: 1/3rd less powerless.
A Planet Under Beams escaping Combustion is always in a better position than a Planet Under Beams heading toward Combustion.
Every time you post you make me laugh. I appreciate a terrific sense of humor.
You can thank the US Army for my dark tongue-in-cheek sarcastic witticisms.
Next question...is Moon really pushing power?
No.
I was typing faster than I was thinking, so I stand corrected on that one.
Moon isn't in any of her own dignities, so she has no power to push...or is this something else I'm misunderstanding? Applying planets can push nature, power, two natures, or management/authority. The first three require reception, the last doesn't.
As far as I know, that is exactly right.
Moon applying to Mars is pushing management, and because Moon is received by Mars, Moon is allowed to push her
nature.
You're right, in order to push power, Moon would have to be in Cancer or Taurus.
As a side note, I like Dorothean triplicities better, especially for this chart which puts Moon in Venus' trip and not Mars.
Okay. I prefer Dorothean as well (over Ptolemy). If you don't already know, there's another Triplicity System developed by Morinus, and he puts Jupiter as Water Triplicity Ruler....sorry, just can't see the logic behind that.
Moving on, we have MR by detriment/fall. Moon can push nature (and when we look at that, are we just to look at the "natural" nature of the Moon which is to gather and include, or do we consider her current state before judging what exactly she's pushing?
Temperament.
Mars is Hot & Dry. Moon is Cold & Moist. Being in Scorpio makes Moon that much more Cold & Moist, and that negates some of the nature of Mars, who is already in Taurus ...Cold & Dry...which is imparted on Mars.
Moon's nature is modified by its positional relationship to Sun (as are all Planets) and by its location in the Quadrant (the four Quadrants equate to the 4 Seasons).
I seem to recall you looking at Fixed Stars.
Fixed Stars only influence if they have the same nature as the Planet to which they are joined.
When you read these star tables, and they say the star has the nature of Jupiter, they don't mean the star has Jupiterian qualities, rather they mean the star is Hot & Moist like Jupiter.
Caput Algol has the nature of Jupiter & Saturn, and they are Hot, Cold, Moist & Dry, and so any Planet with
Caput Algol is Unfortunate, but Jupiter or Saturn with
Caput Algol would be very Unfortunate.
Note that in 1206, the Great Conjunction of Jupiter/Saturn took place at 25° Taurus 46' --- conjunct
Caput Algol.
Anyway, if the Planet's nature is opposite that of the Fixed Star, the star won't have any impact.
Stoopid noob question of the night. I've seen reference to the superior position before, but spent all afternoon trying to figure out where. And I failed miserably. Is this to do with diurnal motion, meaning that Moon is Superior to Mars because she will be ahead of him?
I guess it depends on how you interpret the pronouns as to which known it modifies, and which order of the Zodiac you use.
We're told that a Dexter aspect is more powerful than a Sinister aspect.
Then we're told that a Planet in the 10th or 11th Sign applying to a Planet is "over-coming."
Clearly, Aquarius is the 10th Sign from Taurus, but that's only if you count the order of Signs. If you count based on the actual motion, the Ascendant is rising toward the Midheaven, and so Leo would actually be the 10th Sign from Taurus....as the chart flows.
And now that everyone is completely confused, we should probably consult with Dr. Farr to clarify.
This got me thinking. We actually want to avoid the "animal rights" orgs, because those are the ones that oppose what we do and continue to introduce legislation that would outlaw all zoos, traveling or otherwise.
Ah, well, I'm all for zoos, since I don't relish the thought of having to beat off cheetah attacks and wrestle with an orang-u-tan every time I want to ride my bike.
However, my husband belongs to and sits on the board of several zoological associations that could provide some help. Thanks to what you suggested he's working on those connections now.
Okay.
My guess though is that the real "cavalry" in this case will be our State Attorney General. Every "law related" agency we have spoken to continue to say that this is a civil case, but...laws were broken. Not just for the division of charitable trusts which regulates non profits, but that office will be the one to discover the theft, the trespass, and the conspiracy to commit theft of our property and deprive us of same. I would absolutely love for someone to finally admit that what they did was illegal, and to see a person or two face jail time.
Trademarks involve Intellectual Property Law, and hopefully your attorney knows something about that.
I'm not familiar with the laws of New Hampshire, but I can tell you from experience that frauds generally are very difficult to uncover, difficult to investigate, and difficult to prosecute. I once remember attempting to explain a fraud scheme to a jury, and the jurors' eyes were all glazed over like they were about to enter a comatose state.
I started today by deciding to finally learn how to really figure out the native's wealth...thinking that an horary chart cannot bring what is not promised in the natal. It would stand to reason that if a significant event, such as a settlement and the return of the animals were to happen it would be shown it the birth chart. Obviously, I became distracted by exploring this thread instead...
Be careful with that. The fact that you may never be a millionaire does not preclude the possibility that you might occasionally come into sums of money through gambling, through inheritance, legal settlements or just luck (like winning a raffle).
If you won $5,000 in one of those scratch off lotto things, that doesn't change your Social Class or Standing. Just as some might occasionally receive additional financial gifts, other might occasionally lose a lot of money, but again, it doesn't necessarily change one's Social Class, or significantly alter their life.
To avoid wasting a lot of unnecessary time on charts, I look at the Time Ruler. Each Planet takes turns ruling a certain number of years of your life. Generally, the condition of that Planet in your Natal Chart will indicate the "color" of your life during that period.
A Planet is Fortunate, Unfortunate or neither. If you have an Unfortunate Planet, then here's where an Ephemeris comes in handy: Look at your birthday in the Ephemeris for each of the years the Time Ruler covers. If you see something unusual, like the Time Ruler square/opposition another Planet, or the Time Ruler in Fall/Detriment, then you'd want to cast a Solar Return Chart for that year.
If a Planet is Unfortunate in your Natal Chart, then turns up Unfortunate in a Solar Return, then do a Profection and see what's happening.
You could also use Primary Directions, moving the Planets and then casting Solar Returns and Profections for those years where contacts are made.
It's the confluence of conditions that tells you what happens, and there's no point in wasting time on an ordinary boring year.
Additionally, major facets of your life -- body/soul, wealth, siblings, parents, children, health, marriage, death, travel, friends and enemies -- are governed by a Planet. Sometimes, two Planets can jointly rule one of those facets (that would likely be the case one is in aspect with another --- and common sense rules here....we're talking a Planet in an applying aspect by moiety at the very most...not one that has separated).
It's also possible for a Planet to govern more than one facet, like Saturn being the [sole] Significators of Wealth, Health and Marriage.
When a Significator in the Natal Chart is activated in a Solar Return Chart, then you have the likelihood of an event. When a Planet is Significator for more than one topic, that's where a Profection Chart will help you. Profected Ascendant in the 2nd House suggests financial matters, but in the situation where Saturn ruled Wealth, Health and Marriage, it doesn't eliminate the other possibilities. That's where profecting the Planet as a Significator can help. Profected Saturn in the 2nd House would indicate Wealth as well. Lots can help too, and you'll see if they are activated in the Profected Chart.
And their conditions tell the story: an Unfortunate Planet in the Natal Chart that is Unfortunate in the Solar Return and in still Unfortunate in the Profection Chart is not going to be good, but if its condition is Fortunate in those charts, then it indicates something good.
Something you could do is identify the Significator of Wealth in your Natal Chart, then compare its condition to the Solar Return and Profection Charts. If it is not activated in the Solar Return Chart, then most likely your financial position will remain unchanged.
) ever tried to construct a table of houses? I haven't, because spatial geometry makes me dizzy. I have a diagram on my cork board to remind me about dexter and sinister...and yes, I relate it to the Cupid Shuffle... The broader question, regardless of the context of this chart becomes this...other than determining angularity, or a planet's energy (cadent, succeedent or angular) what do the house cusps tell us in horary?
All of the above, and yes, I am way less freaked out than I was even three days ago. A huge part of that relief is due to knowing that we will finally get the last permit we need in order to rebuild. Meaning that no matter what the outcome is, we will be fine.
the judge? Can not only Titan
be the judge as he is lord of the tenth?
