Donald Trump will be impeached.

piercethevale

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...meanwhile, in Washington D.C., the impeachment hearings continue

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david starling

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...meanwhile, in Washington D.C., the impeachment hearings continue

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There's a politician in California who just plead guilty to the charge of misusing campaign funds after first loudly declaring it a "witchhunt".

I can easily see Trump as a Warlock king, casting spells from atop his sorcerer's tower. :biggrin:
 

piercethevale

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There's a politician in California who just plead guilty to the charge of misusing campaign funds after first loudly declaring it a "witchhunt".

I can easily see Trump as a Warlock king, casting spells from atop his sorcerer's tower. :biggrin:

Trump? Hardly....:whistling:
...Now, the Clinton's... if you'd wish to discuss the Satanic in politics...:devil:
 

Dirius

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First of all, Bernie Sanders is not a "Communist" nor is He a "Socialist'. The economists have another name for the type of politician. He is what most of them call a "Social Democrat": an advocate of a private-sector-driven economy, but with a stronger social safety net, enhanced bargaining power for workers and tighter regulation of corporate malfeasance.

Secondly, may I remind you that Sanders is a political independent, yet He is also an opportunist in that He is appealing to the masses of the Democratic voters. He is also the most intelligent of any candidate presently running.

I see... so a "social democrat" is someone who advocates:

- state intervention in a private-sector-driven economy.
- goverment empowerment of workers and unions.
- goverment providing a welfare safety-net for its citizens.
- heavily regulating corporations to suit the needs of the state.

So essentially the economic policy of nazi germany in the 1930's and the economic policy of fascist italy in the 1920's.

Yeah seems about right.
 

david starling

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I see... so a "social democrat" is someone who advocates:

- state intervention in a private-sector-driven economy.
- goverment empowerment of workers and unions.
- goverment providing a welfare safety-net for its citizens.
- heavily regulating corporations to suit the needs of the state.

So essentially the economic policy of nazi germany in the 1930's and the economic policy of fascist italy in the 1920's.

Yeah seems about right.


We're living under a Corporatocracy, where the corporations control the State, not the other way around.
 

piercethevale

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I see... so a "social democrat" is someone who advocates:

- state intervention in a private-sector-driven economy.
- goverment empowerment of workers and unions.
- goverment providing a welfare safety-net for its citizens.
- heavily regulating corporations to suit the needs of the state.

So essentially the economic policy of nazi germany in the 1930's and the economic policy of fascist italy in the 1920's.

Yeah seems about right.

He believes in doing unto others as you would have them do unto.
I take it that you likely believe Jesus/Yeshu'a of Nazareth, the Buddha, Sri Rama, Sri Krishna and Mother Teresa, to have all been Fascists as well?

...or maybe you think of them as "rabble-rousers" bent on anarchy?

There are very few in political office presently that are not alieged to "The New World Order"... The cabal that is the NWO is "that close" to enslaving all of humanity which if it happens, may continue on for a millennia.

The present situation is far more desperate than even the most savvy want to admit.

Trump is not a member of that cabal... just because He may have attended a meeting of the Bilderbergers doesn't mean that He's with them... He's into real estate and war is bad for the real estate market. It ruins property values, it decimates populations, lowering demands, and it 's not good for the business.

The military industrial complex is what runs this nation presently Read what Chuck Wilson, president of General Motors, said about the wartime economy during World War II... He told F.D.R. that the U.S. should continuously remain at war as it was so good for the nations economy [meaning the 2% would get all the more wealthy].

The mother of the Rothchild's once said, "If my boys didn't want any wars, there would be no wars".
Did you know that all the nations that have banking arrangements, currency arrangements, with the Rothchild's have signed agreements that obligate any nation that defeats another in wartime to pay all the debts of the defeated nation?
It's true...!

Many an economist that is considered to be, or had been, among the greatest in knowledge has stated that "Capitalism" [that is to say what the world presently calls "capitalism", which is actually "consumerism"] can only continuously survive and perpetuate if there is always at least one war ongoing....other wise it folds as an economic system as it can't sustain itself otherwise.


What Yeshu'a/Jesus advocated was "communalism"...taking care of your brothers and sisters, your fellow man, your fellow humankind and that they in turn should take care of you.

That's a Utopian society... that is a world based in cooperation, not aggression. That is a world in which you shouldn't have to lock your doors, pay any more tax other than what it takes to keep gov't at minimal operation... which really would most likely be the end of income tax and most sale's taxes... as it was in the U.S. before we installed the Federal Reserve System... a "Rothschild's corporation"... to control this nations currency .

The N.W.O.'s agenda is that all those presently in control of natural resources, manufacturing, etc. that are of the "2%" shall forever remain in those positions and that there will be no new, additional, "players".
By investing in the economies of other nations they all become so heavily invested across national borders that they won't allow any more wars... except on those nations that haven't members of their populations in the "2% Club" oor don't want to play that game... such as what Iceland has been attempting to accomplish.
Once everyone is enslaved, there won't be any more wars as "capitalism" will have become both obsolete and unnecessary as the @% will have all the wealth and at that time they plan on reducing the rest of the world's population by 90%... the remaining 10% they plan on genetically dumbing down so as they cannot revolt and succeed and will be used as servants and anything else that strikes their fancy. As a good many of them are pedophiles, I leave that "fancy" stuff to your own imagination.

This very scenario, I just described, is what brought about the destruction of the legendary continent and civilization that is known presently as "Atlantis"... it was all revealed by the Great White Lodge through the channel-ship of the late Edgar Cayce. The members of the Great White Lodge are those human beings that "Ascended" to the higher realms... in the manner most people can be able to understand what that means is "that they ascended unto Heaven...without suffering death. Yeshu'a/Jesus did it...even though, yes, He did die on the cross...but He was never really "dead"...only his physical form and only for a brief period of time. The yogis in India know of the siddhi that allows one to walk on water also bestows the ability to die at will and come back to life at will. Read the yoga aphorisms of Pantanjali for more about that "How To Know God" translated by Christopher Isherwood, then read the section titled "Powers" >
The entity known as Saint Germain is of the White Lodge aka Great White Brotherhood. Sir Lancelot is said to have been "ascended unto Heaven by the grace of the Angels" as a reward for finding "the Holy Grail".
I am under the guidence of Saint Germain, Sir Lancelot was reborn in the 1940's and presently is still alive and goes by the name "Suryakant", he became a sisya of Dhyanyogi Madhusudandas in 1979 and came to meet me in 2003 bringing with him the keys to understanding the Sabian Symbols and how they apply to astrology so as to be able to recognize the birth chart of Jesus/Yeshu'a when I produced it. Without that knowledge I would have never recognized it for what it is.
That's a gift sent in 1979 that arrived 24 years later...and Dhyanyogi knew exactly when it was to arrive to me. Time is nothing but "a thing" to the great yogis...even physical death is of little bother... as I had darshan with Swami Sivananda in 1975... and Sri Sivananda physically died in 1963.

This is a most desperate situation presently here on earth... those that are minions of Baal, those avowed to the Satanic, the Luciferic, the Ahrimanic, must be subdued, must be removed from positions of power and excessive influence...if not eradicated from this earth entirely.

You are either a part of the problem or a part of the solution... those that serve no one but themselves will likely "get served up'...collateral damage...so be it.
Bob Dylan wrote a song about it, "You gotta serve somebody"... choose wisely is my advice...choose Light and Life>

Eternal Light and Love to all that serve God, our creator.
Namaste,
ptv
 

Dirius

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He believes in doing unto others as you would have them do unto.
I take it that you likely believe Jesus/Yeshu'a of Nazareth, the Buddha, Sri Rama, Sri Krishna and Mother Teresa, to have all been Fascists as well?

...or maybe you think of them as "rabble-rousers" bent on anarchy?

Neither of those historical figures advocated for the confiscation of other person's goods or property, by the use of goverment force. So your comparison is wrong. Except for mother teresa of course, who was just a political puppet bent on money grabbing.

What they advocated is for charitable actions, which are choices people make on their own without the imposition of someone else or the state.

In any case then, would you be happy with a fascist style economy? Because it seemed like your massive response aimed to justify the clear similarity between Bernie and Mussolini economic plan as something which was good.
 
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piercethevale

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Neither of those historical figures advocated for the confiscation of other person's goods or property, by the use of goverment force. So your comparison is wrong. Except for mother teresa of course, who was just a political puppet bent on money grabbing.

What they advocated is for charitable actions, which are choices people make on their own without the imposition of someone else or the state.

In any case then, would you be happy with a fascist style economy? Because it seemed like your massive response aimed to justify the clear similarity between Bernie and Mussolini economic plan as something which was good.

What Bernie is advocating, i.e. an end to endless wars and a reduction in military presence all over the globe, and if He does get elected then you'll have a lot less money taken "by force" than you are seeing taken presently....besides, even if the military was vastly reduced and we quit involving ourselves where we don't belong in the first place, what has the U.S. got to be afraid of? We have enough atomic weapons, and the missiles to launch them, to destroy the entire world at least five fold?

Maybe you like to see wealthy foreigners buying up as much American property as they can get their hands on?
The Japanese, as a single entity, now own more land in California than anyone else. They also own most of the natural springs that produce enough water so as to be bottled. The Chinese are buying up all the farmland in California that they can get.
foreign interests are buying up American businesses and industries left and right...and those corporations are considered to be "people" by the Supreme Court and make large political contributions>
Congress has even been selling off our natural resources to the highest bidders and it doesn't matter if if is within a national park, whether it is sacred land to the native Americans or even if it might be your ancestral burial ground.

The rental market in California has become so lucrative that foreign investment firms have been buying vast numbers of single family homes and apartment complexes and the first thing they do is raise the rent...not to mention that it also drives up the price of owning a home or even undeveloped property and high enough so as to be out of economic reach of most Americans.

Did you know that Bernie was buying up properties in Vermont when He was the Mayor of Burlington and then putting those properties in a community trust in order to keep them from the portfolios of investment firms hellbent on making money? Any resident can lease a home from that trust and keep that lease for as long as they live... and at a very affordable price.
Bernie believes that our homeland belongs to all Americans and homes and apartments shouldn't be income assets owned by foreign interests...and I might assume that you know that the charging of rent for a place to live is a form of "usury"...and Usury is considered to be a sin by God. [It's why Jesus/Yeshu'a didn't "turn his cheek" when He saw the money changers in the temple. That also was usury and that was also spiritual defilement. The whole thing about "turning the other cheek" is misunderstood by the great majority that have read, or heard, of the passage because one has to be familiar with the historiography of the time and region to know that what was being implicated was that to the Hebrews of that time a public slap in the face was the greatest insult and .display of contempt of them all and the courts were being tied up with such petty grievances. To "turn the other cheek" was meant to imply that one should get over it if they were the recipient of such a demonstration of contempt and denigration... rather than make a huge issue out of it which ultimately only increases ill feelings and more pointless acts.It is just a slap on the cheek, what amount of physical pain does that impart? God knows who is truly just and karma rectifies the matter. Let them even strike the other cheek and walk away to demonstrate your righteousness , let God be the judge of the matter and then let karma have its say. The charging of rent, of interest, money changing for a fee, gambling, deliberate inflation and the devaluation of your money is also usury and every one of those activities are engaged in presently by OUR OWN GOVERNMENT... MEANING THAT, AS LONG AS YOU DO NOTHING TO TRY TO STOP IT YOU ARE JUST AS GUILTY OF THE SIN AS ANYONE ELSE.] This is a government of the people yet still... and there is no excuse for any of us as for it to continue on.

The federal government is supposed to be nothing more than a governing body of elected representatives for the fifty States and not a tangible territory within defined borders that it may call its property. They had to create a special law in order to allow the existence of the District of Columbia. By strict definition of the Constitution there should not be any "Federal Parks, B.L.M. controlled land, nor even Federal Penitentiaries, outside of one that could exist within the District of Columbia, that is.


While I'm rather pro border wall, myself... the fact is that the federal government has no authority to build such a thing as it isn't their land it is being built upon.

If you insist on continually supporting politicians that are nothing more than paid puppets of corporate interests then I suggest that you learn to speak Japanese, Chinese, French, Spanish, a number of the Dutch dialects, German, Hindi and Arabic for starters and be ready to surrender all firearms as that is one of their biggest agendas presently, i.e., the disarming of Americans...it makes those foreign investors very nervous that we are all armed and more willing to die on our feet rather than to live on our knees.
It scares off a great many potential investors. That's the reason there have been so many false flags these past few years. They can't sell off America with a possibility that its citizens will one day just stand up and demand it be returned and be well armed enough to make it an irrefutable demand
Once the second amendment is gutted...it's the end of this democratic republic.

I you don't think Bernie or Tulsi is the answer then support anyone else ...anyone at all... that isn't a paid lackey of the corporations or "in the back pocket" of the "2%"

As I was given to understand, there are presently four Americans that have more combined wealth than all the rest of us citizens of the United States combined.

As Dubya was heard to say; "Quit waving the Constitution in my face, it's just a goddamned piece of paper" then know that is the prevailing attitude of the uber wealthy. Look at the huge number of corporations that get away without paying any income tax at years end. Then realize that a fair number of them are even getting subsidies paid for out of your pocket.
Read Smedley Butler's book "War Is A Racket", after you learn whom Smedley Butler was and how He tried to raise us above the madness.

The Democrats pushing for this impeachment are nothing but despicable cowards and, or, poseurs. If they had any b***s they would be investigating what really went down on September 11, 2001 [What really hit the Pentagon that day? ...and if any of you reply that it was "an airliner" you're either a fool or a shill posing as an astrologer here at this forum] and they would turn Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld over to the World Court for war crimes.
This "impeachment effort is nothing more than a sideshow meant to distract you and lull you into a false belief that they have your best interests at heart.

I have personally witnessed paid political shills invading forums such as like this one a few months before elections for the sole purpose that they are paid to do so and to dissuade, disrupt, denounce, and denigrate the other members that are politically aligned otherwise than that of their employers.
The "2%" can easily afford hundreds of them, yea even thousands of them.
Think for yourselves, if someone is posting what looks like and sounds like horse patootie, it most likely is just that.

A lot of people are going around saying that Trump isn't very intelligent, that as a businessman he has proven himself to be a complete failure as for being the reason that He made some bad investments. If that were all true then why is he still so freaking wealthy and that his wealth continued to grow right up to the time He took the oath of office?
Why? Because He is one hellova con man.
Have any of you considered the possibility that is exactly what He is doing in Washington...conning the dickens out of the self serving, and corporate obeying, greed driven representatives by getting them to reveal themselves which is certainly how this "dog and pony act" that Congress is putting on appears as like to an unbiased outside observer.
With very few exceptions, the uber wealthy didn't get their wealth by engaging in fair business practices. Most of the time they did it by playing a con and the means by which they keep their wealth is ultimately dependent on it.

He may just be perpetuating the greatest political con game of all time...
It certainly seems to me to be one very effective means by which to "drain the swamp". Career politicians don't stand a chance of outwitting an experienced businessman whom is well educated in the means and ways of the con.
Think about it.

Bernie Sanders...or Tulsi ... in 2020, and if neither of them run...then vote Trump. .


...BUT REALISTICALLY, [NOW, HERE COMES THE "REAL DEAL"...READY FOR IT?... NO, i DOUBT THAT ANY OF YOU ARE, SAVE BUT A SAVVY FEW] I sense that the "2%' is going to find some means by which to get Trump out and keep Bernie and Tulsi from the ballot. Mind you, I'm not saying that Trump will be convicted of anything or that He will resign...I'm just saying that "they" will become so desperate in the coming months that they may try just about anything to get Him out of the picture.

From what I've learned from the readings of Edgar Cayce pertaining to his predictions for the 21st century and that He pretty much said that another civil war, not one between the States, nor one arising from racial differences, nor one created by religious differences of beliefs, it will be a war between the haves and the have nots that will go down. Cayce said this in a manner of speaking that implied that it was almost a foregone inevitability and combined with what I've gathered so far from my astrological research for the coming decade... all this blather and bickering here in this forum over this matter of impeachment will amount to nothing more than a lot of useless blather and energy spent futilously

What does that ultimately tell us? The way that I see it, is that if someone like Bernie, or Tulsi, doesn't get elected in 2020 then you had all best start stocking up your larders, your emergency kits, even your ammunition, and be prepared to hunker down at a moments notice. That or move to the far extremes of Alaska, some desert isle, or hidden enclave high in the Rocky Mountains...is my advice.

Change is going to come [at this time and to the degree I have initially studied the Astrological indications, I believe it may begin by 2025] and there isn't anyone that will be able to stop it once it gets rolling. It will be far easier and can even be pleasant if We are in the drivers seat of that vehicle of change... otherwise it'll be as like a runaway train heading for a horrendous wreck.


May God protect the meek, the morally righteous, among us and may God save this nation.
 
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Dirius

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What Bernie is advocating, i.e. an end to endless wars and a reduction in military presence all over the globe, and if He does get elected then you'll have a lot less money taken "by force" than you are seeing taken presently....besides, even if etc. ----


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Actually I'm not american, so my opinion doesn't have any impact in your country. I just enjoy political conversation, and US politics are by far the strangest most interesting ones.

To be clear, I do like president Trump's policies as a leader, I think he is currently the only world leader doing what is correct for his people, and I hope you guys are so lucky as to get him re-elected. He seems to know how to run a country and has the best interest of his people at hand. He is honest in his actions, wanting whats best for his country.


I also agree wirt most of the "libertarian" poins you have made.


But I wouldn't put Bernie Sanders on the same category, he is not an "outsider" to the system like Trump is because of a number of reasons:

- He is a millionaire hypocrite.
- He has been living off the taxpayer's money on a goverment salary for 30 years.
- He has no solid economic plan, just promises that people like to hear.

He is as bad as the deep state politicians. Sure enough, he isn't accepted in that inner circle cause he might seem to "radical", but his ideology is just as bad and repulsive. Masking his idelogy as "democratic" doesn't mean that socialism wouldn't devolve into the same thing it always does... rich politicians living off the hard work of others imposing tyranny on the people.
 
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Dirius

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While the equation of intentional, inclusive democratic socialism with fascism and Nazi democratic socialism is powerful emotionally, it doesn’t match the actual situation. In the US we already are doing forced redistribution of wealth but it is from individual taxpayers to corporate entities.

It’s scary indeed that unevolved individuals would be in charge of redistribution- that is why evolution is required.

If you want to ignore the fact that a socialist plan is derived directly from fascist states is your problem. Its just the truth, whether you accept it or not.

No one forces you to give money to corporate entities. If you dislike the current economic system, you can buy a farm and live off what you produce on your own. It somehow seems like you think you should enjoy every benefit of your economic system, without paying money to those that produce the good. Entitled much?

Also the majority of individuals who own corporations are regular folk, like you or me, who invest part of their salaries in banks, stocks, bonds, etc. This mistaken idea that corporations belong just to the rich or the entrepeneur is largely false, promoted by individuals who have little clue about how the financial system actually works. So each time you are giving money to a corporation you are giving money to the average worker who invested his money, to the worker who has a pension, to the worker who purhcased bonds. Everyone in a free economy is a capitalist, whether you want it or not.
 
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petosiris

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This Impeachment Express is a slow train coming. Any information on when it's finally going to arrive at the station?

It is not going to happen. I do not see any change of general chronocrators over the Sun or the Midheaven (by primary direction), that applies to the next election as well. Saturn in transit isn't going to afflict them either (he was in opposition to the Sun in 2016), while Jupiter is going to be in trine with MC later next year, just like he was in trine with the Sun in 2016. :smile:
 
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JUPITERASC

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It is not going to happen.
I do not see any change of general chronocrators over the Sun or the Midheaven
(by primary direction), that applies to the next election as well.
Saturn in transit isn't going to afflict them either
(he was in opposition to the Sun in 2016),
while Jupiter is going to be in trine with MC later next year,
just like he was in trine with the Sun in 2016. :smile:
"WE ARE TAKING LEGAL ACTION" :smile:
- Nunes to Sue Adams Schiff over phone records release Scandals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rnvc-0yL4qA
 

Dirius

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As interesting as this discussion is, you don’t understand the American taxation system, which is what is being referred to here. American corporations are heavily subsidized by American individual taxpayers - there is no way to escape that via a minimalist lifestyle.

So your complaint is that politicians are spending your tax money on corporations?

The only reason they can do that is by having the ability to spend your money in the first place. Ergo, the solution to your complaint is to advocate for less goverment and less taxation. The less power the goverment has, particularly in the economic areas is the only way you are going to stop that.

If you believe socialism is going to end that, you have little idea how socialism operates. In fact the very idea of socialism is to tax citizens to run either state corporations or involved in private ones using the public's money.

So whats your problem then?
 
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Dirius

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No unevolved person or group willingly cedes power without being destructive. I like libertarian ideals but they are a bit fantastical. Start breaking down what you’ll do without and what cushy contracts existing corporations are willing to forgo and the entire state apparatus gets rebuilt by so called capitalist organizations. It will take several generations to retrain those with current power to think properly.

You are being deliberately cryptic in your responses, typical sign of lacking a proper argument.

To settle the issue, what would be your ideal form of goverment? Or at least one that would be functional, as to not be so utopian.
 
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